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Post by Alberta on Oct 3, 2005 15:10:14 GMT -5
Is Southern Cal REALLY 5 -6? That's a losing record! How do they rate being ranked #17?
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 3, 2005 15:10:48 GMT -5
well if you're going on strength of schedule i would say perhaps arizona and texas...if you're going on strictly win loss...how about maryland...14-0. you may as well put tex a&m at 12th then...they have 6 losses too and Big 12 isn't an easy conference! I dont know..just seems that hawaii is always up there no matter what. nothing against the girls, just like the football polls...it's all relevant..except it seems to always come out ahead for a team that the BCS knows will bring in the $ whether they deserve to be there or not...afterall...ask CAL fans about the Rose Bowl last year! Course, TX fans wl tell you otherwise tho. This has to be the most idiotic post of the morning.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 3, 2005 15:12:07 GMT -5
Louisville is over-rated, but that's OK. What I don't get is why Florida, Louisville, Missouri and Wisconsin all _gained_ votes. Why? Wisconsin's the only team you can make a case for. Minnesota loses votes? Why? They are already under-rated. Somebody get (R)uffda a violin!
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 3, 2005 15:13:22 GMT -5
Purdue should be ranked higher than Hawaii. Hawaii barely squeaks by New Mexico State and stays put?? Arizona gets spanked by Washington and moves up?? Purdue almost upsets Wisconsin and moves down?? That's totally absurd and shows the AVCA voters have their heads up their butts. And get this doof a violin as well!
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Post by DiggUH on Oct 3, 2005 15:22:42 GMT -5
If I gave you a penny for you opinion, I'd expect change. LOL! Now that's one I have to remember.
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Post by seismic911 on Oct 3, 2005 15:23:13 GMT -5
Is Southern Cal REALLY 5 -6? That's a losing record! How do they rate being ranked #17? They lost to Penn State, Hawaii, Notre Dame, Florida, Stanford and Cal. These are teams ranked ahead of them. Even though they have a losing record, I think 17 is a good indication of where they are at the moment.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Oct 3, 2005 15:23:32 GMT -5
Hawaii has to be wayyy overrated this year. SOunds like politics to me. Tell me..how do they stay in the top 15 with a win-loss record like they have? Only 2 top teams played neb/penn and they still stay so high in rankings. Seems like $ talks...cuz NCAA and AVCA know Hawaii brings in $$$ in the post season. Just IMHO Which teams ranked below Hawaii should be ahead of them then? You will see in the other thread, I don't agree with the new guy on this matter. However, that being said, I find this response, as well as xplaya's similar retort, to be very weak. The problem is that you get what you ask for. I'll second ChipNDink's nomination of Purdue, and I'll provide support. Hawaii's case is wins over #17 USC, #19 UCLA, and a 5 game loss to Penn St. Purdue has a 5 game loss to Penn St, except it was at Penn St. When Hawaii was off the friendly confines of the former UNI Athletic Director Arena, they got whomped by Penn St. And then they did again, at home. So when it comes to Penn St, Purdue has the edge. Purdue lost to Ohio St. That's not good, but at the same time, Ohio St was ranked 18 last week, and it was on the road. Compared to Hawaii losing to unranked LMU, at home? Again, advantage Purdue. Hawaii beat #19 UCLA. Purdue beat #24 Ohio. Close enough to call it a wash. The only real edge Hawaii has is it's win over #17 USC. And Purdue doesn't have a match to compare (well, you could claim Purdue lost to OSU but Hawaii beat USC. Edge Hawaii. But then Hawaii lost to LMU, and Purdue doesn't have that bad loss.) Moreover, there is even the "preseason expectation" thing. You could argue that Hawaii had all these expectations coming in, bringing back everyone from last year's team, and Purdue is a surprise. But we know from last year that Purdue and Hawaii weren't _that_ far apart. Until the run in game 3, Purdue hung in there pretty well. Well, come this year, by all accounts Purdue is better than they were last year, but Hawaii fans say that this year's team doesn't hold up to last year's. Thus, they were not that different last year, Purdue got better, Hawaii worse. Thus, there is good reason to doubt the "well, they haven't done it but we expect Hawaii to be better" argument. Easily, you could weight this in favor of Purdue. Now, you could also probably weight it in favor of Hawaii, and I wouldn't quibble, but that's your argument, not mine. But if you leave the case open, there is more than sufficient space for reasonable doubt about Hawaii ranked ahead of a lot of teams, including Purdue.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2005 15:31:59 GMT -5
Louisville is over-rated, but that's OK. What I don't get is why Florida, Louisville, Missouri and Wisconsin all _gained_ votes. Why? Wisconsin's the only team you can make a case for. Minnesota loses votes? Why? They are already under-rated. Somebody get (R)uffda a violin! No violin. No sax. Too much sax and violins in the world as it is. Oh. And bite me.
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Post by islandgirl on Oct 3, 2005 15:43:35 GMT -5
I can't believe anyone would feel the need to actually argue with "vly4life." Are we supposed to believe that this person was so upset by the fact that Hawai'i was ranked #11 (oh my god!) in the AVCA poll that they felt the urgent need to register just to make 4 posts immediately whining about it. Yeah, right! Don't feed the trolls. It's probably just another Wolfie reincarnation anyway.
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Post by Gorf on Oct 3, 2005 15:50:12 GMT -5
Hard to bring in money when you get shipped to the continent to play tourney matches. Last year's selections prove the Committee doesn't not hold the AVCA poll in high regards.. BiK, I thought your philosophy was to "live in the now" this year instead of getting stuck in the past again with comments like you've made here.
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Post by BearClause on Oct 3, 2005 15:51:31 GMT -5
Please remember CAL was trounced by Texas Tech in the Holiday Bowl(sorry BClause) and Texas beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl, as the previous poster said these things tend to work themselves out... While I was watching the Rose Parade, several Big 12 fans came up (I was wearing my Cal cap) to me scratching their heads as to why Cal didn't just keep running the ball against TTech when they had the lead. That's apparently the formula if you've got a good running game - just get the lead, run the ball, keep Tech's offense off the field, and win by 2 TDs. Cal was running at will against Tech, but Tedford stubbornly kept to his balanced offensive approach. There was a key tipped ball (hit a freshman Cal receiver right in the hands) for a TTech interception that swung the momentum 180 degrees. They had to play catch-up the rest of the night with a passing game, which fit TTech's game plan perfectly. The VB analogy I can think of is playing a quick offense for the first time. Maybe your team has seen a few quicks, but it can be hard to plan for it if you've never seen an all-out quick offense in person. Certainly Texas didn't exactly trounce a less than stellar Michigan team. Football is all about matchups, and I'm pretty sure Michigan's more traditional offense would have been a better matchup for the Cal defense than Texas Tech's insane air attack. A lot of teams have settled for the Holiday Bowl with a tremendous letdown and subpar performances against lesser ranked teams. Texas lost to lower-ranked Washington State the season before.
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Post by huskervbfan on Oct 3, 2005 17:10:58 GMT -5
Last year's selections prove the Committee doesn't not hold the AVCA poll in high regards. Actually, they are instructed to totally ignore that any all other published rankings other than the RPI and they only use that along with the other information they have available.
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Post by StuffU on Oct 3, 2005 20:24:36 GMT -5
Hawaii has to be wayyy overrated this year. SOunds like politics to me. Tell me..how do they stay in the top 15 with a win-loss record like they have? Only 2 top teams played neb/penn and they still stay so high in rankings. Seems like $ talks...cuz NCAA and AVCA know Hawaii brings in $$$ in the post season. Just IMHO In order for your HO to be credible, then Hawaii would've been hosting the 1st/2nd rounds ... your theory is out the window ....
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Post by Wolfgang on Oct 3, 2005 20:36:49 GMT -5
Don't feed the trolls. It's probably just another Wolfie reincarnation anyway. Uh...let me put it in plain language re. your statement: No. I don't post by anything other than "Wolfgang."
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Post by Gorf on Oct 3, 2005 23:52:04 GMT -5
You mean you're not (R)uffda!?
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