PVF Game Broadcasts

[genisvel]

This topic has been spilt up on a few threads and has become hot since the "Dorn Incident" that was SD @ Omaha, so I thought I'd create a new one.

I did some digging into the broadcasts we've had so far.

Game 1: ATL @ Omaha.
Had 2 different productions. One was originally scheduled for Stadium, the other was on News Channel Nebraska (NCN)

The one on YouTube was what was supposed to be on Stadium and featured Jake Herman & Emily Ehman. NCN had John Baylor & Nancy Metcalf. I was unable to watch the NCN broadcast as I had to start watching after the game had started, but I assume they used their own graphics package (see game 5)

Game 2: CBUS @ GR.
Also had 2 different productions. One was also originally scheduled for Stadium, the other was on WXSP.

The one on YouTube was originally going to be on Stadium and featured Brett Loftis and Elena Shklyar. "The X" had Dan Hasty & Katie Olsen (not the one from "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia") and used a different graphics package.

Game 3: ATL @ Orl.
Was originally scheduled for the "Bally Live" App (BL)

This did not have a local telecast scheduled. The stream was essentially the scoreboard big-screen feed with the same graphics package as the "Stadium" productions. Sean Davidson and Madison Fitzpatrick on the call.

Game 4: SD @ ATL.
Was originally going to be on Stadium. No local telecast scheduled.
Brett Loftis and Kele Eveland.

Game 5: "The Dorn Incident" SD @ Omaha.
Was original scheduled for the BL App and NCN. It featured a different graphics package from all of the other games on YouTube. I assume it was the same graphics used on the NCN version of game 1. John Baylor and Tonia Tauke Dorn (the controversy). The stream was extremely glitchy on YouTube. The NCN website, facebook stream and Roku app were more stable, but ran about 1-2 minutes of buffer


My conclusion is that PVF had 0 involvement in the production of Game 5. I am uncertain of the Supernovas involvement in the production of NCN's game, but the lack of the graphics package provides a clue. I also don't know why Metcalf wasn't on color for Game 5. The press release for NCN's coverage of Game 5 and 6 only mention Baylor as the Play-by-Play
Another assumption is that scoreboard feed games are produced by the teams/arenas.

A third: Bally Live games will always be the local telecast or the scoreboard feed.

Up Next:

2/7 Game 6: LV @ Omaha.
Originally scheduled for BL and NCN. Moved to Youtube. Assuming YouTube will just use the NCN feed. John Baylor on Play-by-Play, Nancy Metcalf on color.

2/9 Game 7: GR @ ATL.
Scheduled for Stadium. Moved to YouTube. Andy Demetra & Kele Eveland.

2/10 Game 8: LV @ Orl.
BL moved to YouTube Scoreboard feed. Shawn Davison and Madison Fitzpatrick.

2/12 Game 9: Omaha @ GR.
BL moved to YouTube. Dan Hasty & Katie Olsen radio call w/scoreboard feed

2/12 Game 10: Orl. @ ATL.
BL moved to YouTube. Scoreboard feed with Jake Herman and Dan Doherty.

Games 9 & 10 happen concurrently.

2/15 Game 11: Omaha @ LV.
BL moved to YouTubeAJ Kanell & Victoria Dennis. Team produced.

2/16 Game 12: CBUS @ Orl.
Stadium moved to YouTube. Shawn Davison and Madison Fitzpatrick

2/18 Game 13: ATL @ GR
BL moved to YouTube. Dan Hasty & Katie Olsen radio call w/scoreboard feed

2/18 Game 14: Orl. @ Omaha
BL moved to YouTube Larry Punteney & Lindsay Peterson. Produced by KYNE

2/19 Game 15: SD @ LV
BL moved to YouTube. AJ Kanell & Victoria Dennis. Team produced.
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2/21 Game 16: Omaha @ CBUS
Stadium. moved to YouTube. Brent Loftis & Audrey Flaugh

2/22 Game 17: Orl @ LV
BL moved to YouTube. AJ Kanell & Victoria Dennis. Team produced.

2/23 Game 18: GR @ SD
BL moved to YouTube.
Scoreboard feed. Dan Dara? & Bree Spinner?
2/24 Game 19: CBUS @ LV
BL moved to YouTube. AJ Kanell & Victoria Dennis. Team produced.

2/25 Game 20: Omaha @ Orl
BL moved to YouTube. Scoreboard feed. Shawn Davison and Madison Fitzpatrick

2/26 Game 21: LV @ CBUS
Stadium moved to YouTube. Brett Loftis & Audrey Flaugh

2/29 22: Omaha @ Atlanta
YouTube. Assuming this will be the Scoreboard feed with Jake Herman and Dan Doherty.

2/29 23: LV @ SD
BL moved to YouTube. Assuming this will be the Scoreboard feed. Dan Dara? & Bree Spinner? (The Golf-style announcers)

3/1 24: GR @ Orl.
BL moved to YouTube. Scoreboard feed. Shawn Davison and Madison Fitzpatrick

3/2 25: ATL @ SD
BL moved to YouTube. Assuming the Scoreboard feed. Dan Dara? & Bree Spinner? (Golf-style announcers)

3/3 26:CBUS @ Orl
BL moved to YouTube. Scoreboard feed. Shawn Davison and Madison Fitzpatrick.


No broadcast or stream announcements made for the following:

3/4 27: ATL @ Vegas
YouTube. Assuming this will be AJ Kanell & Victoria Dennis. Team produced.

At the exact same time:

3/4 28: GR @ SD
YouTube. Assuming this will be the Scoreboard feed. Dan Dara? & Bree Spinner? (Golf-style announcers)

3/9 CBus @ GR: YouTube
Omaha @ Orl: YouTube. Shawn Davison and Madison Fitzpatrick
Vegas @ ATL: YouTube

3/11 Vegas @ CBus: YouTube
Orl @ SD: YouTube

3/14 ATL @ Omaha: YouTube, NCN broadcast w/ John Baylor & Nancy Metcalf

3/16 Orl @ Omaha: YouTube, NCN broadcast w/ John Baylor & Nancy Metcalf

3/17 Vegas @ GR: YouTube 🍀 WXSP production w/Dan Hasty & Katie Olsen

3/20 GR @ CBus: YouTube

3/21 Orl @ ATL: YouTube

3/24 ATL @ CBus: YouTube
-------- SD @ Vegas: YouTube

3/26 GR @ Vegas: YouTube

3/27 Orl @ CBus: YouTube

3/28 GR @ Omaha: YouTube

[genisvel]

Other notes: Asjia O'Neal posted on Instagram about a week ago that she was backstage at the Jennifer Hudson Show, but she hasn't been on a broadcast episode or announced yet.

"Volleyball Now" shows on my YouTube TV schedule for Feb 16 @ 6:30PM EST

Previously, the first two games of the season looked like they were going to be aired on the morning of February the 12th on Stadium, but they have been removed, apparently.

[buckypete]

It's going to be a real early litmus test for me to see what the national stream looks like for Wednesday's game. If it's anything like the dumpster fire from last night, I'm going to be hard pressed to be blocking off my calendar to watch these matches.

[genisvel]

Feb 4, 2024 21:55:13 GMT -5 buckypete said:

It's going to be a real early litmus test for me to see what the national stream looks like for Wednesday's game. If it's anything like the dumpster fire from last night, I'm going to be hard pressed to be blocking off my calendar to watch these matches.

Wednesdays game is a local production, not a national one. It'll be another NCN production like last night's game. The key to Wednesday's game will be if the YouTube stream is smooth and if they replace the color commentator. But, whoever is on the commentary team, they will be saying "we" and "our" when referring to the Supernovas and "them" and "they" when referring to Vegas. It's like if you watch a Bally's Sports broadcast of the NBA or NHL on ESPN+, where they are home-team focused.

The National games (1, 2 & 4) were not train wrecks all things considered.

The next scheduled National Game production is Friday's game 7.

[bayarea]

I cringe every time I hear "we" or "they" on a broadcast. Regardless of if I'm rooting for the home team or not, that's not professional sports broadcasting, in my opinion. (And Dorn needs to NEVER broadcast a match again, for more reasons than I can even count.)

[genisvel]

Feb 4, 2024 23:24:54 GMT -5 bayarea said:

I cringe every time I hear "we" or "they" on a broadcast. Regardless of if I'm rooting for the home team or not, that's not professional sports broadcasting, in my opinion. (And Dorn needs to NEVER broadcast a match again, for more reasons than I can even count.)

Pro fans call them "Homer" broadcasts. They happen more often than you think. Especially NHL, NBA, MLB & NCAA telecasts. A lot of these telecasts are actually produced by a local affiliate (either Bally's, local broadcast TV, or stream). A lot of ESPN+ and YouTube's content is from these sources.

Usually, in the case of local TV, the commentary teams are the employees of the station. If it's a Bally's and/or MLB game the commentators are team employees. And, if it's a Div II or III stream, it's usually a student of the home team majoring in broadcast journalism.

So, with the Supernovas' situation, I suspect they have some input, but the talent decisions are ultimately NCN's.

Only productions done by the major networks (All NFL games, MLB game-of-the-week on FOX, TBS games, ESPN cable channels) are truly neutral. With the exception of the NFL, that means a majority of professional sports telecasts are "Homer".

[bayarea]

Feb 4, 2024 23:43:38 GMT -5 genisvel said:

Feb 4, 2024 23:24:54 GMT -5 bayarea said:

I cringe every time I hear "we" or "they" on a broadcast. Regardless of if I'm rooting for the home team or not, that's not professional sports broadcasting, in my opinion. (And Dorn needs to NEVER broadcast a match again, for more reasons than I can even count.)

Pro fans call them "Homer" broadcasts. They happen more often than you think. Especially NHL, NBA, MLB & NCAA telecasts. A lot of these telecasts are actually produced by a local affiliate (either Bally's, local broadcast TV, or stream). A lot of ESPN+ and YouTube's content is from these sources.

Usually, in the case of local TV, the commentary teams are the employees of the station. If it's a Bally's and/or MLB game the commentators are team employees. And, if it's a Div II or III stream, it's usually a student of the home team majoring in broadcast journalism.

So, with the Supernovas' situation, I suspect they have some input, but the talent decisions are ultimately NCN's.

Only productions done by the major networks (All NFL games, MLB game-of-the-week on FOX, TBS games, ESPN cable channels) are truly neutral. With the exception of the NFL, that means a majority of professional sports telecasts are "Homer".

I watch the Warriors NBA games on their "Bay Area" channel, with local sportscasters.  They are clearly pulling for the Warriors, but they NEVER say "we" or "they" and they always give credit where due to the other team.  AND... they always know the names and information of the players...not just their significant others!

[genisvel]

Yeah. Like I said, those are team employees. I'm sure that as team employees they are bound by code-of-conduct rules layed down by the league.

NCAA Div II & III games? Not so much.

And I don't know for sure about the Supernovas. I'm just going by past experience and laying down an educated guess.

My hope is that Dorn was a last minute replacement for Metcalf and no one knew what was going to happen when they gave her a hot mic on live TV. We'll find out on Wednesday. As wierd as one-person booths can be, sometimes it's better than the alternative.

[buckypete]

Feb 4, 2024 22:12:50 GMT -5 genisvel said:

Feb 4, 2024 21:55:13 GMT -5 buckypete said:

It's going to be a real early litmus test for me to see what the national stream looks like for Wednesday's game. If it's anything like the dumpster fire from last night, I'm going to be hard pressed to be blocking off my calendar to watch these matches.

Wednesdays game is a local production, not a national one. It'll be another NCN production like last night's game. The key to Wednesday's game will be if the YouTube stream is smooth and if they replace the color commentator. But, whoever is on the commentary team, they will be saying "we" and "our" when referring to the Supernovas and "them" and "they" when referring to Vegas. It's like if you watch a Bally's Sports broadcast of the NBA or NHL on ESPN+, where they are home-team focused.

The National games (1, 2 & 4) were not train wrecks all things considered.

The next scheduled National Game production is Friday's game 7.

I agree wth most of those keys, but the reality is that if you are going to shop a stream out on YouTube as the ostensible national broadcast, you need to be hitting some basic marks. At minimum if the PVF can't step in and say "this has to happen" for that stream to be carried nationwide or if they are disinterested enough to care because it's just a "local broadcast" those are enormous red flags.

[genisvel]

I'm sure the league cares how their product is presented, but, I do know they made the regional broadcast deals the responsibility of the individual teams.

I'm sure the team cares about how it's product is presented too. What I'm not sure about is the culture of Nebraska outside of the University. Or, how much the team may be taking the NB VB fervent fan base for granted.

Here in Grand Rapids, for example, the Culture War is a very real thing. Uber-conservative Christians that confuse misogyny and morality vs inclusive churches vs the college crowds and the local buisness scene that has embraced the internationally recognized beer culture that sprang up a little over a decade ago here.

I wouldn't be surprised if Nebraska isn't similar with the University and it's students understanding why Dorn's mentality can be harmful while a lot of the corn farmers probably didn't blink at what she was saying.

I suspect she won't be back, but, I can't say I'd be stunned if she was. I tried to find where a competitor station in the area might have done a editorial on the broadcast, but I didn't find anything.

[coisavioleta]

It's been good to see lots of negative comments on the commentary (and likes on those comments) on the various Instagram posts about the Omaha-San Diego game. Hopefully the message will be heard.

[genisvel]

https://www.instagram.com/p/C2-naNGsld2

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[spideas]

Feb 5, 2024 0:46:06 GMT -5 genisvel said:

I'm sure the league cares how their product is presented, but, I do know they made the regional broadcast deals the responsibility of the individual teams.

I'm sure the team cares about how it's product is presented too. What I'm not sure about is the culture of Nebraska outside of the University. Or, how much the team may be taking the NB VB fervent fan base for granted.

Here in Grand Rapids, for example, the Culture War is a very real thing. Uber-conservative Christians that confuse misogyny and morality vs inclusive churches vs the college crowds and the local buisness scene that has embraced the internationally recognized beer culture that sprang up a little over a decade ago here.

I wouldn't be surprised if Nebraska isn't similar with the University and it's students understanding why Dorn's mentality can be harmful while a lot of the corn farmers probably didn't blink at what she was saying.

I suspect she won't be back, but, I can't say I'd be stunned if she was. I tried to find where a competitor station in the area might have done a editorial on the broadcast, but I didn't find anything.

Great commentary on the Grand Rapids fan base...  We were living there when the Griffins started (Minor League Hockey for those not familiar).   Our company had season tickets so went to a number of games..  It always cracked me up how people would go wild for the Village People's YMCA....   Don't get me wrong.. Fun Song.....  but for the folks you mentioned.....  

[genisvel]

Feb 5, 2024 15:12:00 GMT -5 spideas said:

Great commentary on the Grand Rapids fan base...  We were living there when the Griffins started (Minor League Hockey for those not familiar).   Our company had season tickets so went to a number of games..  It always cracked me up how people would go wild for the Village People's YMCA....   Don't get me wrong.. Fun Song.....  but for the folks you mentioned.....  

Right!??!🤣🤣🤣

[nebraskavblover]

We watched the Omaha Atlanta match beginning with News Channel Nebraska through the NCN app with Amazon Firestick on the TV.  The resolution was not good. Was hard to even make out player numbers.  So went to YouTube app on Amazon Firestick on the same TV.  Found the Stadium broadcast there.  It was much higher resolution. Downside was announcer. Of course John Baylor is a Nebraska  man so his angle was local for the Supernovas, but he knew what was going on most of the time! But very happy to be able to even get these matches!