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Post by wonkaman on Jun 23, 2024 16:54:32 GMT -5
In a lot of ways this kind of reminds me a lot of travel ball. As a club you want to fill a 12 person roster. You send offers out, but you don't want to send out more than 12. The girls have I think seven days to respond to the offers. You have a number of girls on your waiting list that you would like to send out offers once you get a declination. The parents of those girls on the waiting list have offers from other clubs (or so they tell you) but they come back to you looking for their status because they claim they really want to play for your club.
When push comes to shove eventually six or seven girls agree to play with your club. Now you send out six new offers but four of those girls have already committed to another club. Now you send out an additional four offers and it goes round and round until you get 12. Sometimes you end up with 13 or 14 because you overshoot.
You have a good season when you can get 10 of your first 12 to commit. If you only get six you will have a disastrous season.
I can empathize with the college coaches who don't want to wait too long for a commitment while trying to keep the second and third choices from straying away. Unfortunately, with college ball the stakes are higher. Some girls actually get 50 offers within a one week period. I don't see how you can make an educated choice with that many offers in a short time period.
Trying to appease both coach and player is a tough nut to crack. Ideally, I would like to see a one or two month grace period after offers are made, in which no offers can be accepted to allow the girls to make an educated choice. That would leave the colleges hanging and some could get shut out and have to start the process over again.
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Post by USC✌🏼 on Jun 23, 2024 22:00:05 GMT -5
From top ten who’s still available?
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Post by gopherhim on Jun 23, 2024 23:22:21 GMT -5
From top ten who’s still available? From VB Adrenaline's Top 10s by position. Looked up commitments and don't think I missed anyone. Note: I can't find a trace of who the opposite Dawn Morris is. (Edited: It's Dawn Moore - Madfrog) Outsides 1. Henley Anderson (Texas) 2. Halle Thompson (Wisconsin) 3. Ayanna Watson4. Jayden Robinson (Nebraska) 5. Laura Eichert (San Diego) 6. Audrey Flanagan (Wisconsin) 7. Bellamie Beus (Kentucky) 8. Jordin Southall9. Gabby DiVita (Nebraska) 10. Joy UdoyeMiddles 1. Keoni Williams 2. Lynney Tarnow (Wisconsin) 3. Brooke Harwood (UCLA) 4. Ella Andrews5. Jessica Smallwood (Florida) 6. Elena Hoecke (Minnesota) 7. Kayla Nwabueze 8. Amirra Bailey (Louisville) 9. Kinsley Young
10. Hayden Conner
Setters 1. Genevieve Harris (Texas) 2. Isabelle Hoppe (Pitt) 3. Mallory Matheny (Indiana) 4. Blair Thiebaud (Louisville) 5. Madison Victoriano (Vanderbilt) 6. Zora Bello 7. Rayna Christianson (Creighton) 8. Danielle Whitmire (Penn State) 9. Ava McBride
10. Sydney Lund
Liberos 1. Sidney Burley
2. Kaitlyn Nguyen3. Emma Cugino (Texas) 4. Erin Clark
5. Meredith Martin6. Izzy Masten (Pitt) 7. Julianna Hernandez (Baylor) 8. Presley Thompson (UCLA) 9. Ella Grimes10. Kiley Brooks (LSU) Opposites 1. Sarah Hickman2. Nadiya Johnson (Baylor) 3. Nadiya Shelby
4. Levariya Pinder
5. Bryah Breaux6. Taylor Stanley (Kansas) 7. Abby Zimmerman (Cal) 8. Isabella Umpierre
9. Dawn Moore
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Post by chibadgerfan on Jun 23, 2024 23:31:27 GMT -5
From top ten who’s still available? From VB Adrenaline's Top 10s by position. Looked up commitments and don't think I missed anyone. Note: I can't find a trace of who the opposite Dawn Morris is. Outsides 1. Henley Anderson (Texas) 2. Halle Thompson (Wisconsin) 3. Ayanna Watson4. Jayden Robinson (Nebraska) 5. Laura Eichert (San Diego) 6. Audrey Flanagan (Wisconsin) 7. Bellamie Beus (Kentucky) 8. Jordin Southall9. Gabby DiVita (Nebraska) 10. Joy UdoyeMiddles 1. Keoni Williams 2. Lynney Tarnow (Wisconsin) 3. Brooke Harwood (UCLA) 4. Ella Andrews5. Jessica Smallwood (Florida) 6. Elena Hoecke (Minnesota) 7. Kayla Nwabueze 8. Amirra Bailey (Louisville) 9. Kinsley Young
10. Hayden Conner
Setters 1. Genevieve Harris (Texas) 2. Isabelle Hoppe (Pitt) 3. Mallory Matheny (Indiana) 4. Blair Thiebaud (Louisville) 5. Madison Victoriano (Vanderbilt) 6. Zora Bello 7. Rayna Christianson (Creighton) 8. Danielle Whitmire (Penn State) 9. Ava McBride
10. Sydney Lund
Liberos 1. Sidney Burley
2. Kaitlyn Nguyen3. Emma Cugino (Texas) 4. Erin Clark
5. Meredith Martin6. Izzy Masten (Pitt) 7. Julianna Hernandez (Baylor) 8. Presley Thompson (UCLA) 9. Ella Grimes10. Kiley Brooks (LSU) Opposites 1. Sarah Hickman2. Nadiya Johnson (Baylor) 3. Nadiya Shelby
4. Levariya Pinder
5. Bryah Breaux6. Taylor Stanley (Kansas) 7. Abby Zimmerman (Cal) 8. Isabella Umpierre
9. Dawn Morris
10. Allie DavisonIf you are talking about the Prep Dig top 10, the only uncommitted are Keoni Williams and Kayla Nwabueze. |
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Post by crossover2 on Jun 23, 2024 23:33:31 GMT -5
From top ten who’s still available? From VB Adrenaline's Top 10s by position. Looked up commitments and don't think I missed anyone. Note: I can't find a trace of who the opposite Dawn Morris is. Outsides 1. Henley Anderson (Texas) 2. Halle Thompson (Wisconsin) 3. Ayanna Watson4. Jayden Robinson (Nebraska) 5. Laura Eichert (San Diego) 6. Audrey Flanagan (Wisconsin) 7. Bellamie Beus (Kentucky) 8. Jordin Southall9. Gabby DiVita (Nebraska) 10. Joy UdoyeMiddles 1. Keoni Williams 2. Lynney Tarnow (Wisconsin) 3. Brooke Harwood (UCLA) 4. Ella Andrews5. Jessica Smallwood (Florida) 6. Elena Hoecke (Minnesota) 7. Kayla Nwabueze 8. Amirra Bailey (Louisville) 9. Kinsley Young
10. Hayden Conner
Setters 1. Genevieve Harris (Texas) 2. Isabelle Hoppe (Pitt) 3. Mallory Matheny (Indiana) 4. Blair Thiebaud (Louisville) 5. Madison Victoriano (Vanderbilt) 6. Zora Bello 7. Rayna Christianson (Creighton) 8. Danielle Whitmire (Penn State) 9. Ava McBride
10. Sydney Lund
Liberos 1. Sidney Burley
2. Kaitlyn Nguyen3. Emma Cugino (Texas) 4. Erin Clark
5. Meredith Martin6. Izzy Masten (Pitt) 7. Julianna Hernandez (Baylor) 8. Presley Thompson (UCLA) 9. Ella Grimes10. Kiley Brooks (LSU) Opposites 1. Sarah Hickman2. Nadiya Johnson (Baylor) 3. Nadiya Shelby
4. Levariya Pinder
5. Bryah Breaux6. Taylor Stanley (Kansas) 7. Abby Zimmerman (Cal) 8. Isabella Umpierre
9. Dawn Morris
10. Allie Davison All these rankings are a joke. But I have to say, this vbadrenaline guy’s rankings are really laughable. |
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Post by euphoria on Jun 23, 2024 23:52:14 GMT -5
From top ten who’s still available? From VB Adrenaline's Top 10s by position. Looked up commitments and don't think I missed anyone. Note: I can't find a trace of who the opposite Dawn Morris is. Outsides 1. Henley Anderson (Texas) 2. Halle Thompson (Wisconsin) 3. Ayanna Watson4. Jayden Robinson (Nebraska) 5. Laura Eichert (San Diego) 6. Audrey Flanagan (Wisconsin) 7. Bellamie Beus (Kentucky) 8. Jordin Southall9. Gabby DiVita (Nebraska) 10. Joy UdoyeMiddles 1. Keoni Williams 2. Lynney Tarnow (Wisconsin) 3. Brooke Harwood (UCLA) 4. Ella Andrews5. Jessica Smallwood (Florida) 6. Elena Hoecke (Minnesota) 7. Kayla Nwabueze 8. Amirra Bailey (Louisville) 9. Kinsley Young
10. Hayden Conner
Setters 1. Genevieve Harris (Texas) 2. Isabelle Hoppe (Pitt) 3. Mallory Matheny (Indiana) 4. Blair Thiebaud (Louisville) 5. Madison Victoriano (Vanderbilt) 6. Zora Bello 7. Rayna Christianson (Creighton) 8. Danielle Whitmire (Penn State) 9. Ava McBride
10. Sydney Lund
Liberos 1. Sidney Burley
2. Kaitlyn Nguyen3. Emma Cugino (Texas) 4. Erin Clark
5. Meredith Martin6. Izzy Masten (Pitt) 7. Julianna Hernandez (Baylor) 8. Presley Thompson (UCLA) 9. Ella Grimes10. Kiley Brooks (LSU) Opposites 1. Sarah Hickman2. Nadiya Johnson (Baylor) 3. Nadiya Shelby
4. Levariya Pinder
5. Bryah Breaux6. Taylor Stanley (Kansas) 7. Abby Zimmerman (Cal) 8. Isabella Umpierre
9. Dawn Morris
10. Allie DavisonSomebody typo’d along the way. It’s Dawn Moore - Madfrog www.instagram.com/dawn_vb13?igsh=MW5jd3VpbzVrM21zdg== |
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Post by gopherhim on Jun 24, 2024 0:00:22 GMT -5
All these rankings are a joke. But I have to say, this vbadrenaline guy’s rankings are really laughable. I have no strong feelings about any of the rankings. They're just rankings--it's not that serious. Come up with your own rankings if you're brave enough. Someone will always disagree. I do like the idea of ranking by position though rather than a massive mixed list. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2024 0:09:37 GMT -5
Sorry, longtime lurker, noob at actually posting. I suspect many on here have been through this on one side or another but having literally just gone through this with my daughter, this couldn’t ring more true. Having the first official contact coincide with offers and potential acceptance of those offers is nonsensical. Coaches are always going to have more info than the PSA - they’ve been watching film and scouting live games for months. The kids maybe see them on their courts, get questionnaires in the mail and maybe get a little color from a club director or recruiting coordinator but really don’t know with any certainty just how interested a school may be. The best way to get a feel for these programs and campuses before official contact is to attend a camp but they don’t really begin in earnest until a week or so before the contact date - when choosing a camp they’re really only guessing at the level of interest of a school, traveling around the country is costly, and there’s a finite amount of time to do this pre Jun15. When the date comes, an hour phone call is maybe all the two have to mutually get to know each other’s personality. From a coaches perspective, they have a list of kids they’re interested in and may feel pressure to get offers out to not lose a kid who maybe already has attended camp somewhere else while also allowing themselves time to work their way down their list if one of their kids come off the board. If they don’t want to blindly offer, the kid could end up elsewhere when in actuality, they may have been a better fit. The PSA, a 16 yo kid who has never been through this overwhelming process before, feels pressure to commit or risk losing the offer. Even if they’ve attended a camp and have a good handle on one school, there’s a good chance they get other offers or interest that they’ve been unable to investigate. This mad scramble leads to a ton of undue stress at a time that should be joyful and ultimately poorly informed major life decisions are made on both sides and no one, school or athlete, is better off for it. At a minimum, there should be a mandated cooling off period between offers or indications of interest/communication of where a kid ranks in a schools list and the date at which the PSA can actually commit so they have time to make informed decisions regarding prioritizing camps, campus visits and vetting colleges and programs. Actual acceptance day will still be chaos, but everyone will be better armed with information to find a good mutual fit and be able to fully commit and be all in without a nagging thought in the back of their head of ‘what if’. Most of Coach Booth’s recommendations make sense and you can nit pick the details here and there but it should definitely be a more graduated process. Tim this is exactly what’s happening and you describe it well. The time frame is all screwed up. Players and coaches should be able to start communicate in Feb and offers/official visits start in June. Nationals for club end in May. Shorten the club season. IMO. |
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Post by huskerjen on Jun 24, 2024 7:14:15 GMT -5
Anyone have an idea where Morgan Williams and Bryah Breaux from Metro are likely to end up? With Nadiya Johnson committed I figured those two would quickly follow.
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Post by Pepperjack on Jun 24, 2024 11:47:17 GMT -5
Any insider information on Sarah Hickman? She’s following many Wisconsin players plus the coaching staff.
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Post by volleyaudience on Jun 24, 2024 11:55:37 GMT -5
From top ten who’s still available? From VB Adrenaline's Top 10s by position. Looked up commitments and don't think I missed anyone. Note: I can't find a trace of who the opposite Dawn Morris is. (Edited: It's Dawn Moore - Madfrog) Outsides 1. Henley Anderson (Texas) 2. Halle Thompson (Wisconsin) 3. Ayanna Watson4. Jayden Robinson (Nebraska) 5. Laura Eichert (San Diego) 6. Audrey Flanagan (Wisconsin) 7. Bellamie Beus (Kentucky) 8. Jordin Southall9. Gabby DiVita (Nebraska) 10. Joy UdoyeMiddles 1. Keoni Williams 2. Lynney Tarnow (Wisconsin) 3. Brooke Harwood (UCLA) 4. Ella Andrews5. Jessica Smallwood (Florida) 6. Elena Hoecke (Minnesota) 7. Kayla Nwabueze 8. Amirra Bailey (Louisville) 9. Kinsley Young
10. Hayden Conner
Setters 1. Genevieve Harris (Texas) 2. Isabelle Hoppe (Pitt) 3. Mallory Matheny (Indiana) 4. Blair Thiebaud (Louisville) 5. Madison Victoriano (Vanderbilt) 6. Zora Bello 7. Rayna Christianson (Creighton) 8. Danielle Whitmire (Penn State) 9. Ava McBride
10. Sydney Lund
Liberos 1. Sidney Burley
2. Kaitlyn Nguyen3. Emma Cugino (Texas) 4. Erin Clark
5. Meredith Martin6. Izzy Masten (Pitt) 7. Julianna Hernandez (Baylor) 8. Presley Thompson (UCLA) 9. Ella Grimes10. Kiley Brooks (LSU) Opposites 1. Sarah Hickman2. Nadiya Johnson (Baylor) 3. Nadiya Shelby
4. Levariya Pinder
5. Bryah Breaux6. Taylor Stanley (Kansas) 7. Abby Zimmerman (Cal) 8. Isabella Umpierre
9. Dawn Moore
10. Allie DavisonI know rankings are opinion. But I appreciate this post. It's fun to look at where 50 players by position are going. Thank you. |
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Post by VBallLife on Jun 24, 2024 17:31:38 GMT -5
Any insider information on Sarah Hickman? She’s following many Wisconsin players plus the coaching staff. Taking visits |
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Post by iluvvb on Jun 25, 2024 11:03:25 GMT -5
Watson to Pitt announced this morning! H2P!!
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Post by rainbowbadger on Jun 25, 2024 13:14:15 GMT -5
Any insider information on Sarah Hickman? She’s following many Wisconsin players plus the coaching staff. Taking visits Good on her. |
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Post by vbnerd on Jun 25, 2024 13:19:53 GMT -5
Sorry, longtime lurker, noob at actually posting. I suspect many on here have been through this on one side or another but having literally just gone through this with my daughter, this couldn’t ring more true. Having the first official contact coincide with offers and potential acceptance of those offers is nonsensical. Coaches are always going to have more info than the PSA - they’ve been watching film and scouting live games for months. The kids maybe see them on their courts, get questionnaires in the mail and maybe get a little color from a club director or recruiting coordinator but really don’t know with any certainty just how interested a school may be. The best way to get a feel for these programs and campuses before official contact is to attend a camp but they don’t really begin in earnest until a week or so before the contact date - when choosing a camp they’re really only guessing at the level of interest of a school, traveling around the country is costly, and there’s a finite amount of time to do this pre Jun15. When the date comes, an hour phone call is maybe all the two have to mutually get to know each other’s personality. From a coaches perspective, they have a list of kids they’re interested in and may feel pressure to get offers out to not lose a kid who maybe already has attended camp somewhere else while also allowing themselves time to work their way down their list if one of their kids come off the board. If they don’t want to blindly offer, the kid could end up elsewhere when in actuality, they may have been a better fit. The PSA, a 16 yo kid who has never been through this overwhelming process before, feels pressure to commit or risk losing the offer. Even if they’ve attended a camp and have a good handle on one school, there’s a good chance they get other offers or interest that they’ve been unable to investigate. This mad scramble leads to a ton of undue stress at a time that should be joyful and ultimately poorly informed major life decisions are made on both sides and no one, school or athlete, is better off for it. At a minimum, there should be a mandated cooling off period between offers or indications of interest/communication of where a kid ranks in a schools list and the date at which the PSA can actually commit so they have time to make informed decisions regarding prioritizing camps, campus visits and vetting colleges and programs. Actual acceptance day will still be chaos, but everyone will be better armed with information to find a good mutual fit and be able to fully commit and be all in without a nagging thought in the back of their head of ‘what if’. Most of Coach Booth’s recommendations make sense and you can nit pick the details here and there but it should definitely be a more graduated process. I love so much about this but it comes from a place of misinformation - the same misinformation in KBB's twitter post, and mentioned in Halle Thompson's VBadrenaline interview. JUNE 15 IS NOT THE OFFER June 15 is talking, including talking about offering, but it's just talking. That and the 16 months following are just the engagement - "if I asked, would you say yes?" - but the offer is the National Letter of Intent and that cannot come until November of senior year. Coaches, like car salesman, may paint a picture that makes you feel pressure that isn't real. FWIW, Halle Thompson said Wisconsin told her she had all the time in the world - sometimes the pressure is peer pressure of FOMO, sometimes it is the club who wants you committed so they can brag/market that before tryouts. It isn't always the coaches, but sometimes it is. And the coaches don't advertise this but your verbal commitment is only a promise (on both sides) that you are trying on for size. You are not - NOT - actually committed until signing day, in 17 months. And you don't have to sign then if you aren't ready. You don't even have to sign in the spring! In the age of the portal, we know there are scholarships open each May for that fall. You could take 22 more months to make your decision and still land on your feet. 22 months is enough time to take up a new sport and get recruited for it if you wanted to. With the class of 2026 especially, with the anticipation of adding 4-8 additional scholarship for 60-80 programs (200-700 additional scholarships total), there was no rush on June 15. The pressure was not real. If this really was a structural issue, then yes, the NCAA would need to change, but there is nothing the NCAA can do about peer pressure, or bad advice, or impatience. You really do have all the time in the world to get to know a program, to make visits, go to camps, see who commits where, etc. I recall Rachel Adams waited ages and I think about 8 programs held scholarships for her until she committed to Texas in November of senior year if I recall. Every so often there is an athlete that knows her value and makes the schools play her game, and if you are good, they will gladly play. For a long time Stanford's admissions process made many athletes slow down and gave an excuse to many others. A daughter of a friend was waiting on Stanford and had at least 3 other top schools more than happy to hold offers for her incase it didn't work out at Stanford. It worked out, and the other schools moved on. Yet Richkern.com is approaching 130 players committed in 10 days, so I don't think this message is getting out. |
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