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Post by crossover2 on Jun 22, 2024 13:58:49 GMT -5
Why didn’t she have her two commits wait until after their official visits before committing? If her suggestions are purely for the best interest of the athlete… It's very much like the politician who rails against the IRS and its tax code, while taking full advantage of the deductions in the current code. It might seem counterintuitive, but they're both just working within the current system while also wanting to change it. Exactly my point - like a politician. |
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Post by gopherhim on Jun 22, 2024 17:25:27 GMT -5
Might be a better thread for this but fits in well enough with the recent discussion here about recruiting rules. Kristen Kelsay shared this post to her Instagram story. It’s not directed at anyone specifically but also feels a little pointed lol. Subtly imploring other coaches to follow the rules in Orlando? As the recruiting coordinator for MN she does get a lot of PSA followers though so maybe just reminding 2026ers why coaches aren’t (or shouldn’t be) approaching them in Orlando. I can understand wanting to prevent coaches from mobbing rising juniors at nationals and trying to recruit them in person. Combining that with allowing those same players to verbally commit over the phone as soon as June 15 just feels backwards though. Yay KBB for using her AVCA platform. I recall her tweeting about recruiting tampering a while back too. She means business! Surprised that IG account doesn’t have more followers btw. Seems to have some good information/advice. Could maybe mix it up with the teacup stock images though lol http://instagram.com/p/C8hibyxJmkx |
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Post by maigrey on Jun 22, 2024 17:38:00 GMT -5
I don’t think she’s targeting any coach or program? She’s saying the NCAA needs to make changes to the process. Why didn’t she have her two commits wait until after their official visits before committing? If her suggestions are purely for the best interest of the athlete… Because the rules are currently still the rules. It would be malpractice for Creighton for her to give the university a disadvantage by following rules she'd LIKE to see vs. the current ones in place. I don't think it's necessary to be snarky with unrealistic expectations of KBB like this. |
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Post by crossover2 on Jun 22, 2024 18:04:16 GMT -5
Why didn’t she have her two commits wait until after their official visits before committing? If her suggestions are purely for the best interest of the athlete… Because the rules are currently still the rules. It would be malpractice for Creighton for her to give the university a disadvantage by following rules she'd LIKE to see vs. the current ones in place. I don't think it's necessary to be snarky with unrealistic expectations of KBB like this. Malpractice? No one truly cares about the athlete. Any coach voicing their opinion on early commitments is only upset because they didn't win the race. If she committed Henley Anderson on June 15 she wouldn't be tweeting. |
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Post by BigDigEnergy on Jun 22, 2024 18:11:19 GMT -5
Because the rules are currently still the rules. It would be malpractice for Creighton for her to give the university a disadvantage by following rules she'd LIKE to see vs. the current ones in place. I don't think it's necessary to be snarky with unrealistic expectations of KBB like this. Malpractice? No one truly cares about the athlete. Any coach voicing their opinion on early commitments is only upset because they didn't win the race. If she committed Henley Anderson on June 15 she wouldn't be tweeting. I can say with total confidence that you definitely don’t care about these athletes by making that statement. There are many coaches out there who are truly care about them. |
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Post by n00b on Jun 22, 2024 18:41:02 GMT -5
If she committed Henley Anderson on June 15 she wouldn't be tweeting. You clearly don't know KBB. Yes she would. And I think Creighton is thrilled with the recruits they've landed. I don't actually think this dumb system is a disadvantage to them in any meaningful way. |
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Post by n00b on Jun 22, 2024 18:44:51 GMT -5
I don’t think she’s targeting any coach or program? She’s saying the NCAA needs to make changes to the process. Exactly, as the system exists currently, she can't just unilaterally wait for August if PSAs want to go to Creighton. A new calendar would help, and delaying offers is already happening in ice hockey, so it's not a novel concept: June 15 First contact date, no offers allowed June 15 First official visits, no offers allowed August 1 Offers allowed Programs can now officially combine camps with visits, which some of the elite schools are already creatively doing pre-June 15. This isn't accurate. No sport has official visits before August 1 (although some are later in their junior year - baseball/softball/lacrosse is September 1, women's basketball is January 1, football is April 1). While the contact and unofficial visit rules are being worked on for volleyball, moving official visits earlier would be a nonstarter with the NCAA. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2024 19:13:18 GMT -5
Because the rules are currently still the rules. It would be malpractice for Creighton for her to give the university a disadvantage by following rules she'd LIKE to see vs. the current ones in place. I don't think it's necessary to be snarky with unrealistic expectations of KBB like this. Malpractice? No one truly cares about the athlete. Any coach voicing their opinion on early commitments is only upset because they didn't win the race. If she committed Henley Anderson on June 15 she wouldn't be tweeting. You are an idiot. The more you type to dumber we get. |
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Post by crossover2 on Jun 22, 2024 19:28:51 GMT -5
Malpractice? No one truly cares about the athlete. Any coach voicing their opinion on early commitments is only upset because they didn't win the race. If she committed Henley Anderson on June 15 she wouldn't be tweeting. You are an idiot. The more you type to dumber we get. I was thinking the same. |
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Post by USC✌🏼 on Jun 22, 2024 19:36:49 GMT -5
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Post by huskerjen on Jun 22, 2024 19:55:06 GMT -5
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Post by maigrey on Jun 22, 2024 20:28:27 GMT -5
Danielle Robinson (Jayden's mom?l commented on this with 👀🙏🏻 ... But Kentucky's Skinner also posted a bingo 3h ago. 👀 |
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Post by TimTheEnchanter on Jun 23, 2024 15:38:23 GMT -5
On the 1 week anniversary of “June 15th” here are my thoughts on this recruiting legislation for Division 1 VB 1. When this June 15th legislation was implemented it was to slow down the 8th & 9th grade commitments. This has been effective & needs 2 continue to be a priority. 🧵 2. Being able to make offers but athletes not being able to make Official or Unofficial visits until nearly 2 months later is counterintuitive. This needs to change. 3. Let’s consider allowing recruits to call coaches starting in January or February of sophomore year to start the relationship building process and learn more about the institutions they are considering attending. 4. We need to consider allowing coaches to give more info on their level of interest in an athlete earlier in the process. Currently, we can’t say anything regarding how they rank on our list until offer date—which means kids have no idea if they are #1 (likely getting an offer) or, let’s say, #5 (likely not getting an offer). The heartbreak we sometimes cause could be lessened if we are allowed to be more transparent earlier. We don’t necessarily need to throw all of our current legislation away, but we need to make it better. Coaches, athletes and parents, pass along your ideas in the comments. |
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Post by TimTheEnchanter on Jun 23, 2024 15:40:13 GMT -5
Sorry, longtime lurker, noob at actually posting.
I suspect many on here have been through this on one side or another but having literally just gone through this with my daughter, this couldn’t ring more true. Having the first official contact coincide with offers and potential acceptance of those offers is nonsensical. Coaches are always going to have more info than the PSA - they’ve been watching film and scouting live games for months. The kids maybe see them on their courts, get questionnaires in the mail and maybe get a little color from a club director or recruiting coordinator but really don’t know with any certainty just how interested a school may be. The best way to get a feel for these programs and campuses before official contact is to attend a camp but they don’t really begin in earnest until a week or so before the contact date - when choosing a camp they’re really only guessing at the level of interest of a school, traveling around the country is costly, and there’s a finite amount of time to do this pre Jun15. When the date comes, an hour phone call is maybe all the two have to mutually get to know each other’s personality. From a coaches perspective, they have a list of kids they’re interested in and may feel pressure to get offers out to not lose a kid who maybe already has attended camp somewhere else while also allowing themselves time to work their way down their list if one of their kids come off the board. If they don’t want to blindly offer, the kid could end up elsewhere when in actuality, they may have been a better fit. The PSA, a 16 yo kid who has never been through this overwhelming process before, feels pressure to commit or risk losing the offer. Even if they’ve attended a camp and have a good handle on one school, there’s a good chance they get other offers or interest that they’ve been unable to investigate. This mad scramble leads to a ton of undue stress at a time that should be joyful and ultimately poorly informed major life decisions are made on both sides and no one, school or athlete, is better off for it. At a minimum, there should be a mandated cooling off period between offers or indications of interest/communication of where a kid ranks in a schools list and the date at which the PSA can actually commit so they have time to make informed decisions regarding prioritizing camps, campus visits and vetting colleges and programs. Actual acceptance day will still be chaos, but everyone will be better armed with information to find a good mutual fit and be able to fully commit and be all in without a nagging thought in the back of their head of ‘what if’. Most of Coach Booth’s recommendations make sense and you can nit pick the details here and there but it should definitely be a more graduated process.
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Post by volleyaudience on Jun 23, 2024 16:11:38 GMT -5
Sorry, longtime lurker, noob at actually posting. I suspect many on here have been through this on one side or another but having literally just gone through this with my daughter, this couldn’t ring more true. Having the first official contact coincide with offers and potential acceptance of those offers is nonsensical. Coaches are always going to have more info than the PSA - they’ve been watching film and scouting live games for months. The kids maybe see them on their courts, get questionnaires in the mail and maybe get a little color from a club director or recruiting coordinator but really don’t know with any certainty just how interested a school may be. The best way to get a feel for these programs and campuses before official contact is to attend a camp but they don’t really begin in earnest until a week or so before the contact date - when choosing a camp they’re really only guessing at the level of interest of a school, traveling around the country is costly, and there’s a finite amount of time to do this pre Jun15. When the date comes, an hour phone call is maybe all the two have to mutually get to know each other’s personality. From a coaches perspective, they have a list of kids they’re interested in and may feel pressure to get offers out to not lose a kid who maybe already has attended camp somewhere else while also allowing themselves time to work their way down their list if one of their kids come off the board. If they don’t want to blindly offer, the kid could end up elsewhere when in actuality, they may have been a better fit. The PSA, a 16 yo kid who has never been through this overwhelming process before, feels pressure to commit or risk losing the offer. Even if they’ve attended a camp and have a good handle on one school, there’s a good chance they get other offers or interest that they’ve been unable to investigate. This mad scramble leads to a ton of undue stress at a time that should be joyful and ultimately poorly informed major life decisions are made on both sides and no one, school or athlete, is better off for it. At a minimum, there should be a mandated cooling off period between offers or indications of interest/communication of where a kid ranks in a schools list and the date at which the PSA can actually commit so they have time to make informed decisions regarding prioritizing camps, campus visits and vetting colleges and programs. Actual acceptance day will still be chaos, but everyone will be better armed with information to find a good mutual fit and be able to fully commit and be all in without a nagging thought in the back of their head of ‘what if’. Most of Coach Booth’s recommendations make sense and you can nit pick the details here and there but it should definitely be a more graduated process. Thank you for taking the time to share your very pertinent and timely insights. |
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