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Post by fightingminime on Jun 28, 2024 13:47:29 GMT -5
The Wisconsin kid said the school didn't put her on the clock, but she felt pressure from seeing other players commit. The issue there isn't with the NCAA, it's with social media. It's with parents and clubs posting to say "we did it!" The kids, who are not NCAA players and not subject to NCAA rules yet are free to say or post anything they want - "Hey I got an offer" or "hey I committed" - and the NCAA cannot stop them. If this is true, a rule against coaches making offers would actually be effective. If a kid can't make a commitment post with an investigation being launched into the school to see if an offer was made, then we will succeed in removing the peer pressure that all of the public commitments make. Sure, it does not mean that a coach won't be able to call an athlete and say "we're offering you a full scholarship, but you can't tell anybody". But (a) it's hard to not sound super shady making that offer and (b) it still succeeds in slowing down the commitment process if the athlete can't publicly post. And would allow her to have other offers come to the table without a fabricated deadline. So they *might* reconsider. It is true that there will be some *wink wink* commitments that don't go public. But we can't stop those right now, and it would at least slow down the public peer pressure. |
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Post by n00b on Jun 28, 2024 14:00:51 GMT -5
You really do have all the time in the world to get to know a program, to make visits, go to camps, see who commits where, etc. I recall Rachel Adams waited ages and I think about 8 programs held scholarships for her until she committed to Texas in November of senior year if I recall. Every so often there is an athlete that knows her value and makes the schools play her game, and if you are good, they will gladly play. For a long time Stanford's admissions process made many athletes slow down and gave an excuse to many others. A daughter of a friend was waiting on Stanford and had at least 3 other top schools more than happy to hold offers for her incase it didn't work out at Stanford. It worked out, and the other schools moved on. Yet Richkern.com is approaching 130 players committed in 10 days, so I don't think this message is getting out. The thing is though .. most athletes are not Rachel Adams, or Kelly Murphy, or some of the more uber elite athletes that coaches will wait for. I agree, that so much of it is fomo and peer pressure ... but using an outlier like Adams isn't real either. I need an average Joe example that was able to wait. I looked at the 2025 recruiting thread. In March of these athletes' junior year: Isabelle Bardin to Purdue Ella Lewis to Arizona State Lauren Wise to Baylor Keira Steininger to Georgia Sarah Pfiffner to West Virginia Presley Kiffin to USC Maija Howse to Purdue If you're good enough, you'll have opportunities. |
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Post by volleyaudience on Jun 28, 2024 14:03:57 GMT -5
Any declarations by Keoni Williams and Ella Andrews please?
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Post by chibadgerfan on Jun 28, 2024 14:19:35 GMT -5
If this is true, a rule against coaches making offers would actually be effective. If a kid can't make a commitment post with an investigation being launched into the school to see if an offer was made, then we will succeed in removing the peer pressure that all of the public commitments make. Sure, it does not mean that a coach won't be able to call an athlete and say "we're offering you a full scholarship, but you can't tell anybody". But (a) it's hard to not sound super shady making that offer and (b) it still succeeds in slowing down the commitment process if the athlete can't publicly post. And would allow her to have other offers come to the table without a fabricated deadline. So they *might* reconsider. It is true that there will be some *wink wink* commitments that don't go public. But we can't stop those right now, and it would at least slow down the public peer pressure. It’s not a fabricated deadline, but rather the race that naturally results from current NCAA rules. The challenge is to change the rules to eliminate the race while writing rules that are fair, practical, lawful, and enforceable, preventing recruiting of athletes that are too young, preserving both sides’ ability to make the match they desire, and ensuring that folks who can’t afford self promotion and search don’t get shut out. I don’t see a way to meet every concern simultaneously. Practically speaking I think the best thing that could be done quickly is to move that June 15 date to be, say August 15, so that athletes can spend the summer doing more research (though I doubt it would change the matches that much, it will change some, and might provide more peace-of-mind). |
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Post by crossover2 on Jun 28, 2024 14:58:44 GMT -5
The thing is though .. most athletes are not Rachel Adams, or Kelly Murphy, or some of the more uber elite athletes that coaches will wait for. I agree, that so much of it is fomo and peer pressure ... but using an outlier like Adams isn't real either. I need an average Joe example that was able to wait. I looked at the 2025 recruiting thread. In March of these athletes' junior year: Isabelle Bardin to Purdue Ella Lewis to Arizona State Lauren Wise to Baylor Keira Steininger to Georgia Sarah Pfiffner to West Virginia Presley Kiffin to USC Maija Howse to Purdue If you're good enough, you'll have opportunities. Some of those are definitely walk ons and weren’t ever sitting on offers. |
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Post by ay2013 on Jun 28, 2024 15:29:11 GMT -5
They may not have taken an official visit, but there’s a good chance they’ve visited the campus on their own anyway, such as through a camp. Moreover, while I don’t know which campuses you mean, I don’t think one needs to visit, for example, Texas, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Louisville, Pitt, Minnesota, etc. to know they are all are more than adequate academically. There were two who admitted to have never been to the respective campuses of the schools they committed too. They said it in articles. Just curious who they are? |
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Post by jwvolley on Jun 28, 2024 15:35:44 GMT -5
There were two who admitted to have never been to the respective campuses of the schools they committed too. They said it in articles. Just curious who they are? Robinson has never been to Nebraska. |
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Post by ay2013 on Jun 28, 2024 15:46:11 GMT -5
Just curious who they are? Robinson has never been to Nebraska. Yeah well Nebraska is a different category entirely. I suppose it's a bit surprising that Nebraska would actively seek a player that hasn't been to the dream camp. Regardless, meh.... It's Nebraska. Those kinds of players are obviously chasing the opportunity of fame. It works out for some, and if it doesn't there is the transfer portal. The fact that 4 high profile players decided to transfer from a team that played for a national championship last year and is favored to play in one this year, pretty much sums it up. These players know what they are getting themselves into, which is why they get no sympathies from me when it doesn't work out for them. |
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Post by straightnochaser on Jun 28, 2024 17:15:27 GMT -5
Robinson has never been to Nebraska. Yeah well Nebraska is a different category entirely. I suppose it's a bit surprising that Nebraska would actively seek a player that hasn't been to the dream camp. Regardless, meh.... It's Nebraska. Those kinds of players are obviously chasing the opportunity of fame. It works out for some, and if it doesn't there is the transfer portal. The fact that 4 high profile players decided to transfer from a team that played for a national championship last year and is favored to play in one this year, pretty much sums it up. These players know what they are getting themselves into, which is why they get no sympathies from me when it doesn't work out for them. Why do the players that commit to Nebraska have to be doing so for fame? Why can’t they be doing it because it’s an elite volleyball program with an amazing fan base and they have aspirations to play volleyball at the next level? Not sure what you are implying. Most Athletes transfer from programs for similar reasons…. For Nebraska, 1 transferred because she was on a basketball scholarship and didn’t want to play basketball anymore (and there was no room for a scholarship for her for volleyball) and the other 3 transferred for the same reason most other athletes transfer from a program-to get playing time. |
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Post by rainbowbadger on Jun 28, 2024 17:37:20 GMT -5
Just curious who they are? Robinson has never been to Nebraska. And Thompson has never been to Wisconsin. |
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Post by ay2013 on Jun 28, 2024 17:57:02 GMT -5
Yeah well Nebraska is a different category entirely. I suppose it's a bit surprising that Nebraska would actively seek a player that hasn't been to the dream camp. Regardless, meh.... It's Nebraska. Those kinds of players are obviously chasing the opportunity of fame. It works out for some, and if it doesn't there is the transfer portal. The fact that 4 high profile players decided to transfer from a team that played for a national championship last year and is favored to play in one this year, pretty much sums it up. These players know what they are getting themselves into, which is why they get no sympathies from me when it doesn't work out for them. Why can’t they be doing it because it’s an elite volleyball program with an amazing fan base and they have aspirations to play volleyball at the next level? Not sure what you are implying. Most Athletes transfer from programs for similar reasons…. For Nebraska, 1 transferred because she was on a basketball scholarship and didn’t want to play basketball anymore (and there was no room for a scholarship for her for volleyball) and the other 3 transferred for the same reason most other athletes transfer from a program-to get playing time. Of course they can, but there are plenty of elite volleyball programs, and plenty of players that play at the next level that don't go to Nebraska. The minute you start bringing up qualities associated with attention, I'm not sure how you are disassociating that from fame, but whatevs. Also, I didn't say it's a bad thing. Programs like Nebraska and Texas have envious recruiting, but lets not pretend that the athletes that go there 1- don't have plenty of other options, and 2- aren't specifically choosing Nebraska and Texas, over those other programs, in part because of the exposure they get. |
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Post by TimTheEnchanter on Jun 28, 2024 18:19:25 GMT -5
Why can’t they be doing it because it’s an elite volleyball program with an amazing fan base and they have aspirations to play volleyball at the next level? Not sure what you are implying. Most Athletes transfer from programs for similar reasons…. For Nebraska, 1 transferred because she was on a basketball scholarship and didn’t want to play basketball anymore (and there was no room for a scholarship for her for volleyball) and the other 3 transferred for the same reason most other athletes transfer from a program-to get playing time. Of course they can, but there are plenty of elite volleyball programs, and plenty of players that play at the next level that don't go to Nebraska. The minute you start bringing up qualities associated with attention, I'm not sure how you are disassociating that from fame, but whatevs. Also, I didn't say it's a bad thing. Programs like Nebraska and Texas have envious recruiting, but lets not pretend that the athletes that go there 1- don't have plenty of other options, and 2- aren't specifically choosing Nebraska and Texas, over those other programs, in part because of the exposure they get. I forget where I heard this but it’s been said a recruit should take a hard look at themselves and answer this question - Do I love the Game of volleyball or do I love playing the game? If they truly love the Game, they can probably be perfectly happy as a practice player at Nebraska or Texas just being in the gym with very high level talent working towards a national championship. If they love Playing the game, they’d be better off finding another school where they have a better shot at playtime. |
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Post by VBallLife on Jun 28, 2024 19:18:40 GMT -5
Of course they can, but there are plenty of elite volleyball programs, and plenty of players that play at the next level that don't go to Nebraska. The minute you start bringing up qualities associated with attention, I'm not sure how you are disassociating that from fame, but whatevs. Also, I didn't say it's a bad thing. Programs like Nebraska and Texas have envious recruiting, but lets not pretend that the athletes that go there 1- don't have plenty of other options, and 2- aren't specifically choosing Nebraska and Texas, over those other programs, in part because of the exposure they get. I forget where I heard this but it’s been said a recruit should take a hard look at themselves and answer this question - Do I love the Game of volleyball or do I love playing the game? If they truly love the Game, they can probably be perfectly happy as a practice player at Nebraska or Texas just being in the gym with very high level talent working towards a national championship. If they love Playing the game, they’d be better off finding another school where they have a better shot at playtime. These kids have been at the top of their respective clubs. They don’t know until they are actually at the school of their choice what playing or not playing looks like. I don’t think any of them sign with the intent they aren’t going to play. |
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Post by crossover2 on Jun 28, 2024 23:05:47 GMT -5
I forget where I heard this but it’s been said a recruit should take a hard look at themselves and answer this question - Do I love the Game of volleyball or do I love playing the game? If they truly love the Game, they can probably be perfectly happy as a practice player at Nebraska or Texas just being in the gym with very high level talent working towards a national championship. If they love Playing the game, they’d be better off finding another school where they have a better shot at playtime. These kids have been at the top of their respective clubs. They don’t know until they are actually at the school of their choice what playing or not playing looks like. I don’t think any of them sign with the intent they aren’t going to play. I can't help but think about how Halle Thompson and Audrey Flanagan, the 2026 Wisconsin outside hitter commits, will react in two years when at least one of them will witness the reality of not being on the court much They're both talented athletes, but unfortunately, not everyone gets to play. They have 2025 Madison Quest who is far better than both of them, and there might even be a transfer or two in the mix between now and then. Did they consider all of this? Or are they simply chasing ’fame’? Did Sheffield tell them what their role would be on the team? Do they have egos thinking they’re the best and it won’t be a problem? I don’t know how it will work. |
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Post by practicesafesets on Jun 28, 2024 23:21:14 GMT -5
Audrey will realize that she had better opportunities in CA
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