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Post by karellen on Mar 31, 2024 18:37:20 GMT -5
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Post by mikegarrison on Mar 31, 2024 19:57:45 GMT -5
There certainly is a double standard for male and female athletes, but volleyball teams are separated by the net, so it's a little different from basketball.
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Post by mervinswerved on Mar 31, 2024 19:59:06 GMT -5
Author makes claims about a double standard for Clark, Reese, and Brink and provides no evidence of them actually being held to any kind of double standard.
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Post by karellen on Mar 31, 2024 20:08:03 GMT -5
Author makes claims about a double standard for Clark, Reese, and Brink and provides no evidence of them actually being held to any kind of double standard. Some specific examples would have been helpful. But I have heard comments from on-air personalities and have seen social media backlash.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Mar 31, 2024 20:15:43 GMT -5
Author makes claims about a double standard for Clark, Reese, and Brink and provides no evidence of them actually being held to any kind of double standard. Some specific examples would have been helpful. But I have heard comments from on-air personalities and have seen social media backlash. But you'd also need to point to male players who are as in-your-face with the taunting and not getting technicals for it, and that would be very difficult to find, particularly for guys at the superstar level. If anything, the double standard appears to be for leniency for women's players. I remember when Griner punched an opponent (and broke her nose) she only got 2 games suspension - that would have been unthinkable (the NMSU men's player got suspended for an entire season when he did similar this season). I don't think there were any suspensions from the SCAR-LSU SEC tournament kerfuffle (and Flaujae didn't even get T'd up for her shove - even though it was reviewed for like 20 minutes).
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Post by mervinswerved on Mar 31, 2024 20:24:00 GMT -5
Author makes claims about a double standard for Clark, Reese, and Brink and provides no evidence of them actually being held to any kind of double standard. Some specific examples would have been helpful. But I have heard comments from on-air personalities and have seen social media backlash. Are men's players not subject to comments and social media backlash?
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Mar 31, 2024 20:26:52 GMT -5
Is there a notable double standard in basketball these days? Are, say, Draymond Green, Dillon Brooks, or Ja Morant getting passes for their behavior? Or notorious complainers/sh!t talkers like Luka Doncic (among others)? Do media and fans clutch their pearls harder when Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese talk trash than when Draymond gets ejected? If a male player from Duke or wherever pulled the same act as Reese did last year (following Clark, doing the hand-wave-across-the-face and pointing at the ring finger stuff) in the championship game, he would have been shredded by the media same as Reese was. There's a lot of chirping in the WNBA, but I haven't noticed any harsher opprobrium directed at those players relative to their male counterparts. I did not care for the linked op-ed piece, which (IMO) relied on exaggeration and straw man-building.
As for volleyball, a very different sport with different norms of what is deemed acceptable conduct by participants and officials alike. I mean, a two-second staredown or a little side-eye alone can get you a talking-to from a ref. In other words, how often would a volleyball player put themselves in a situation that would invite the level of scrutiny and criticism directed at Draymond Green or Angel Reese? 1996 Cuba-Brazil in Atlanta comes to mind, but that was pretty extreme...
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Post by trojansc on Mar 31, 2024 20:30:37 GMT -5
Kind of random, but Hawaii men’s VB got a red card at match point last night against UCSB for even some “mid” trash talk/staredown
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Post by trojansc on Mar 31, 2024 20:46:13 GMT -5
Also, Reese was chirping at the UCLA bench after she fouled out, but, they let that go too. I don't know what exactly she said, but, it had the UCLA coach in a tizzy.
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Post by n00b on Mar 31, 2024 21:55:08 GMT -5
Also, Reese was chirping at the UCLA bench after she fouled out, but, they let that go too. I don't know what exactly she said, but, it had the UCLA coach in a tizzy. I’ve seen men get techs for way less.
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Post by vup on Mar 31, 2024 21:55:20 GMT -5
Volleyball is lucky that it isn't a contact sport. Football is a contact sport, but contact is unambiguous (blocking, tackling, etc.). Basketball is a contact sport, but some of the contact is ambiguous. I think this is very frustrating, as a fan, but especially for the players. Unfortunately, some of the intensity has turned to physical assault and violence. It's really sad for such a fun and entertaining sport. On one hand, I can understand the intensity. Emotions are high. The game is extremely physical. Two players guard each other for a whole game, some of the pushing/shoving is taken personally. But when it turns to violence. We just can't have that. It's completely unacceptable, and I think there should be more conversation around it.
As far as double-standards go, there's some truth to it. Women are held to a different standard than men, in my opinion. When Caitlin Clark or Angel Reese mouth the F-word, there's a perception that it gets more negative coverage than when a male athlete does the same. That's sexist, and that's a problem. But that doesn't make the behavior OK, either.
Again, volleyball is lucky. There's a physical net separating the two teams, and when there's physical contact, it's never intentional, basically. Basketball is a tough sport. Personally, I think fouling rules need to be restructured. There's just too much subjectivity in fouls, which leads to a lot of (understandable) grievances—where someone can foul out of a game for a completely a minor blocking foul, or simply, the wrong call. I'd like to see PFs for fouling out increased per game/half/quarter, or whatever. I'd like to see fouls reviewable. It's important to get the call right. I think making some types of fouls to be less consequential could alleviate (not cure) some of the issues we see on the court.
For the record, I'm not trying to stereotype. I just really hate to see violence in our basketball games. It's horrendous.
Here are some awful examples. And this is just from this season.
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Post by trojansc on Mar 31, 2024 22:04:56 GMT -5
This one made me LOL because while everyone else is always like "oh god, you do not want to see this!" while these announcers were HYPE and wanting for more... "this is rivalry basketball!"
Jesuit rivalry basketball at that!!
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Post by Hawk Attack on Mar 31, 2024 22:06:28 GMT -5
Women’s volleyball at the collegiate level hasn’t seen the behavior the men’s game has exhibited. Long Beach and UCSB had to be separated and sent to the locker rooms before the handshake line, coaches yelling at each other after. Spitting on your opponent after losing a tournament semi-final match (and that guy is on the USMNT lol).
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Post by vup on Mar 31, 2024 22:14:56 GMT -5
This one made me LOL because while everyone else is always like "oh god, you do not want to see this!" while these announcers were HYPE and wanting for more... "this is rivalry basketball!" Jesuit rivalry basketball at that!! Disgusting…
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Post by vup on Mar 31, 2024 22:18:09 GMT -5
Women’s volleyball at the collegiate level hasn’t seen the behavior the men’s game has exhibited. Long Beach and UCSB had to be separated and sent to the locker rooms before the handshake line, coaches yelling at each other after. Spitting on your opponent after losing a tournament semi-final match (and that guy is on the USMNT lol). I haven’t been keeping up with MVB lately, but Hanes has always been awful…
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