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Post by hipsterfilth on Apr 1, 2024 15:08:16 GMT -5
Texas / Washington State honestly should have been even spicier this past season. Greeny vs. Elliott, Asija vs. Magda, etc. I mean, there was some stare down action, but, it could have been more intense. Why is Greeny v. Elliott supposed to be a thing? Now if it was Silvernail v. Elliott, I could understand.... two of the top "let me speak to the manager" coaches in the NCAA. lol they werq those R2s. I agree that they were both pretty chill in that game.
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Post by jammaster on Apr 1, 2024 15:42:27 GMT -5
What is a "double bind" and why make that the centerpiece of your article?
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Post by vup on Apr 1, 2024 18:32:21 GMT -5
Basketball is a tough sport. Personally, I think fouling rules need to be restructured. There's just too much subjectivity in fouls, which leads to a lot of (understandable) grievances—where someone can foul out of a game for a completely a minor blocking foul, or simply, the wrong call. I'd like to see PFs for fouling out increased per game/half/quarter, or whatever. I'd like to see fouls reviewable. It's important to get the call right. I think making some types of fouls to be less consequential could alleviate (not cure) some of the issues we see on the court. For the record, I'm not trying to stereotype. I just really hate to see violence in our basketball games. It's horrendous. I really don't understand why you think allowing players to have more fouls available will make basketball less violent. The overall point is that fouling in basketball needs to be reformed. Fouls have an impact on the outcome of a game. Personal fouls range from minor blocking to overt shoving. Personal fouls all have the same weight. In some cases, fouls are incorrectly called. In my view, there's a relationship between the current personal fouling system and the high intensity/emotions that we see in a game. If personal fouls weren't as impactful, emotional play would be lower, imo. I think making the correct call is 100% crucial. I think correcting calls via video review might be the first step. As far as increasing the number of fouls, maybe, maybe not. But overall, I think the "temperature" on-court can be lowered by restructuring the personal foul system, making the correct calls via video review, and possibly, increasing the number of personal fouls before fouling out.
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Post by mervinswerved on Apr 1, 2024 18:57:00 GMT -5
I really don't understand why you think allowing players to have more fouls available will make basketball less violent. The overall point is that fouling in basketball needs to be reformed. Fouls have an impact on the outcome of a game. Personal fouls range from minor blocking to overt shoving. Personal fouls all have the same weight. In some cases, fouls are incorrectly called. In my view, there's a relationship between the current personal fouling system and the high intensity/emotions that we see in a game. If personal fouls weren't as impactful, emotional play would be lower, imo. I think making the correct call is 100% crucial. I think correcting calls via video review might be the first step. As far as increasing the number of fouls, maybe, maybe not. But overall, I think the "temperature" on-court can be lowered by restructuring the personal foul system, making the correct calls via video review, and possibly, increasing the number of personal fouls before fouling out. Video replay is an abomination and should be banned.
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Post by fightingminime on Apr 1, 2024 19:24:31 GMT -5
Also, Reese was chirping at the UCLA bench after she fouled out, but, they let that go too. I don't know what exactly she said, but, it had the UCLA coach in a tizzy. My guess is they said something to her first ...
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 1, 2024 20:20:27 GMT -5
Ex. When Odysseus had to choose between sailing his ship past Scylla or Charybdis. Scylla would probably eat twelve of his sailors, but Charybdis would probably destroy the whole ship. (aka. "dammed if you do, and dammed if you don't")
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Post by vbman100 on Apr 1, 2024 23:10:07 GMT -5
Kind of random, but Hawaii men’s VB got a red card at match point last night against UCSB for even some “mid” trash talk/staredown I watched both of the Hawaii/UCSB matches from this weekend. That is not what happened. 13-11 5th set, Hawaii leading. Following a questionable play by UCSB during a rally, Hawaii HC runs over to R2, mid-point, gets almost even with the net, during the rally, and Hawaii wins point. R1 gives red card. Coach acts like he has no idea why he got a card. Even in the post game interview says he has no idea why there was a card. So instead of 14-11 Hawaii, Hawaii serving, it’s 14-12 and UCSB serving. Hawaii wins the next point and the match.
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Post by trojansc on Apr 1, 2024 23:19:01 GMT -5
Kind of random, but Hawaii men’s VB got a red card at match point last night against UCSB for even some “mid” trash talk/staredown I watched both of the Hawaii/UCSB matches from this weekend. That is not what happened. 13-11 5th set, Hawaii leading. Following a questionable play by UCSB during a rally, Hawaii HC runs over to R2, mid-point, gets almost even with the net, during the rally, and Hawaii wins point. R1 gives red card. Coach acts like he has no idea why he got a card. Even in the post game interview says he has no idea why there was a card. So instead of 14-11 Hawaii, Hawaii serving, it’s 14-12 and UCSB serving. Hawaii wins the next point and the match. That's not what the broadcasters said happened, but, looking at the box score, you're probably right. But Thiim DID get a yellow-card earlier in the set for talking through the net, so, it made sense if the red was for him.
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Post by bluepenquin on Apr 2, 2024 8:41:34 GMT -5
Would love to hear the reasoning on how allowing *more* fouling will improve college basketball. The NBA has the same fouls to game length ratio as college and it's way way harder to defend in the NBA. Don't see anyone advocating for more fouls there. The NBA will transfer fouls that makes it much more difficult for star players (or any player) to foul out as the result of ticky-tact fouls. There is a major difference between the two games in terms of fouls. In addition - the way that college calls the charge/block compared to the NBA results in a massive increase in the number of star players at the college level that either foul out or get in foul trouble that unnecessarily alters the game. College officials are more integral in determining outcomes of games than what we will see in the NBA. The problem with the 5 foul rule in college (and no transferring of fouls) - just 1 questionable/judgement foul call can have a MAJOR impact on the result of the game outside the free throw/possession result from the call. 1 (or maybe 2) highly questionable calls on Clark in the 1st half of last year's national championship game unnecessarily and completely altered the game in a very bad way. This happens too often in college basketball. BTW - they could also take away the hand checking in the college game. That would alleviate some of the physical aspects that is taking place.
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Post by mervinswerved on Apr 2, 2024 9:16:06 GMT -5
Would love to hear the reasoning on how allowing *more* fouling will improve college basketball. The NBA has the same fouls to game length ratio as college and it's way way harder to defend in the NBA. Don't see anyone advocating for more fouls there. The NBA will transfer fouls that makes it much more difficult for star players (or any player) to foul out as the result of ticky-tact fouls. I have no idea what "transferring fouls" means. The rest of this boils down to "college players foul too much so we should allow them more fouls." I propose instead that college players learn to play better defense and stop fouling so much.
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Post by n00b on Apr 2, 2024 10:03:58 GMT -5
College coaches create defensive schemes that maximize their chances of winning the game. If the rules allowed for more fouls, teams would just foul more and we’d be in the exact same situation with foul-outs, but with a slower game with more whistles.
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Post by aardvark on Apr 2, 2024 10:24:58 GMT -5
Would love to hear the reasoning on how allowing *more* fouling will improve college basketball. The NBA has the same fouls to game length ratio as college and it's way way harder to defend in the NBA. Don't see anyone advocating for more fouls there. The NBA will transfer fouls that makes it much more difficult for star players (or any player) to foul out as the result of ticky-tact fouls. I don't know what a ticky-tact foul is, but I suddenly have a burning desire to commit one.
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Post by stevehorn on Apr 2, 2024 11:01:15 GMT -5
The NBA will transfer fouls that makes it much more difficult for star players (or any player) to foul out as the result of ticky-tact fouls. I have no idea what "transferring fouls" means. The rest of this boils down to "college players foul too much so we should allow them more fouls." I propose instead that college players learn to play better defense and stop fouling so much. I also have no idea what the poster meant by "transferring of fouls". If the original poster that brought up fouling thinks allowing more fouls will reduce bad blood on the floor, they are sadly mistaken. The impact will almost certainly be the opposite. However I've never liked the idea of "fouling out" starting when I played in school. However there does need to be the limit on fouls (without penalty). Instead of fouling out which always seemed an excessive penalty, subsequent fouls called on the "fouled out" player would result in bonus free throws or treatment like technical fouls where the fouled team shoots the free throws and then retains possession of the ball.
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Post by stevehorn on Apr 2, 2024 11:03:58 GMT -5
The NBA will transfer fouls that makes it much more difficult for star players (or any player) to foul out as the result of ticky-tact fouls. I don't know what a ticky-tact foul is, but I suddenly have a burning desire to commit one. A minor foul where most people watching wouldn't consider it a foul. An example would be a hand check by the defender that doesn't slow the momentum of the opposing player.
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Post by bayarea on Apr 2, 2024 11:08:22 GMT -5
I have no idea what "transferring fouls" means. The rest of this boils down to "college players foul too much so we should allow them more fouls." I propose instead that college players learn to play better defense and stop fouling so much. I also have no idea what the poster meant by "transferring of fouls". If the original poster that brought up fouling thinks allowing more fouls will reduce bad blood on the floor, they are sadly mistaken. The impact will almost certainly be the opposite. However I've never liked the idea of "fouling out" starting when I played in school. However there does need to be the limit on fouls (without penalty). Instead of fouling out which always seemed an excessive penalty, subsequent fouls called on the "fouled out" player would result in bonus free throws or treatment like technical fouls where the fouled team shoots the free throws and then retains possession of the ball. I think the poster referring to "transferring fouls" means, if there are two defensive players making contact, the foul could be given to either, and sometimes it seems selective which player the refs give that foul to... they have the power to decide if someone fouls out or not.
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