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Post by doodlebob on Apr 7, 2024 12:49:57 GMT -5
I am not sure if there is a thread about this already, but I really want to get to the core of what is going to set these two leagues apart. Specifically the following
1. Why are a lot of the top U.S players choosing LOVB over PVF?
2. How does the pay scale differ
3. How does the structure of clubs/franchises differ
4. Why did they choose a couple of the same cities
5. Drafting/Recruiting differences?
6. Branding/marketing differences?
7. Other big differences?
By now we are all starting to get familiar with how PVF works, but I feel like LOVB is still a big of an enigma/unknown factor. I love what PVF has done so far. I think they are on track toward big things. What does LOVB have that could potentially overtake PVF?
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Post by avid 2.0 on Apr 7, 2024 12:59:17 GMT -5
Here is a thread, but there is a bit of outdated data: volleytalk.proboards.com/thread/97760/lovb-pvf1. Why are a lot of the top U.S players choosing LOVB over PVF? They're choosing LOVB because there's a layer of trust with the NT players and their vision. A lot of them are joining because of who they know. They may resonate with LOVB's project more than PVFs. Also the timing may be better. LOVB is signing players now... It's not really clear if PVF is. Also there's a perceived notion of playing with the best (and the NT players are with LOVB, compared to PVF). 2. How does the pay scale differ PVF will scale up to $175k next year, with the minimum being 60k. LOVB is unclear, but there are tiers based on position and experience. Their minimum is lower than PVFs. 3. How does the structure of clubs/franchises differ PVF is typically American franchise style. Each team has independent owners and they are completely separate from each other under the PVF structure. LOVB is a single entity (for now, unclear if this is short or long term). Players are signed to the league and will be distributed to teams via the league who controls all six teams. 4. Why did they choose a couple of the same cities Omaha is a given because of the volleyball support. Atlanta is weird, but maybe they have a big club scene? idk. LOVB is big on having the club scene influence their pro ideas. 5. Drafting/Recruiting differences? LOVB wont have a draft. LOVB will have set rosters, no cuts. PVF is less so. This season their contracts are not guaranteed and they can be cut up until the deadline (april 15 this year)... Their cutting structure is different than that of Europe. Afaik there's no compensation for being cut (its very similar to the PR league). 6. Branding/marketing differences? PVF's marketing sucks. LOVB's is a bit modern. It will be hard to judge it until they get it going. 7. Other big differences? LOVB has coaches that have intl/pro experience (minus fritz). PVF has a lot of ncaa influence |
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Post by doodlebob on Apr 7, 2024 13:03:02 GMT -5
Also what is the difference in the length and time frame of the season? Will players be able to do both?
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Post by avid 2.0 on Apr 7, 2024 13:05:12 GMT -5
Also what is the difference in the length and time frame of the season? Will players be able to do both? Both will be November/December/January until sometime in the Spring (LOVB will end in April) and no. one or the other. (well, initially anyways.. who knows with injuries or replacements/etc) |
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Post by n00b on Apr 7, 2024 15:00:44 GMT -5
Also what is the difference in the length and time frame of the season? Will players be able to do both? Both will be November/December/January until sometime in the Spring (LOVB will end in April) and no. one or the other. (well, initially anyways.. who knows with injuries or replacements/etc) Do we think these contracts have non-competes? We have two competing leagues that do not seem to like each other. If a player from LA signs with LOVB, then gets assigned to Madison, can they bail and sign with PVF? Or since PVF teams actually have to qualify for playoffs, could an athlete bail on the last month of the PVF season to join LOVB mid-season? Would non-competes in this situation even be legal/enforceable? |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Apr 7, 2024 15:05:39 GMT -5
Both will be November/December/January until sometime in the Spring (LOVB will end in April) and no. one or the other. (well, initially anyways.. who knows with injuries or replacements/etc) Do we think these contracts have non-competes? We have two competing leagues that do not seem to like each other. If a player from LA signs with LOVB, then gets assigned to Madison, can they bail and sign with PVF? Or since PVF teams actually have to qualify for playoffs, could an athlete bail on the last month of the PVF season to join LOVB mid-season? Would non-competes in this situation even be legal/enforceable? im not sure. I dont think it would be enforceable via FIVB... but i dont have enough legal knowledge to know if it would be legal to do it as like a private business entity (if that makes sense) If they wanted to bail from one league or the other, I would imagine it would depend a lot on what their contract language is like... I dont know for either. I think LOVB will finish before PVF... so I dont think it would be impossible for them to finish with LOVB and then hop onto PVF if they wanted to (im not sure PVF would want that)... Actually I think some LOVB contracts are for two seasons... so they probably couldnt do that, unless they can cancel their contract. Im not sure how much either league would want optics to play into it or not... guess we'll have to wait and see. |
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Post by spideas on Apr 8, 2024 10:19:03 GMT -5
It is yet to be seen (so we don't know if it will be a difference...) is what the broadcast contracts are going to look like... I would love to see the Volleyball World business model... I think one of these leagues is going to end up with a partnership with VBTV... It would complement the Indoor Italian Leagues that they are currently broadcasting and as both leagues (especially LOVB) are positioning themselves as being international why only focus on the US market for broadcasting revenue...
The You Tube or Time Buy strategies have not shown themselves to be economically viable at this point... Interested to hear from folks who have a level of expertise here...
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