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Post by koavball on May 13, 2024 17:30:46 GMT -5
The hope is probably for Kainoa and Finn to redshirt because they will be amazing players their fifth years and could use a redshirt year to work on passing and getting stronger (also Victor, Matt and Presley)
while Kristian, Louis, Clay and JT can all play oppo.
However it will be entirely up to Finn, he can easily get on the floor and help his first year.
It is true Hawaii will be loaded at the pins and opposing coaches (ahem Pepp) are using that to to their advantage for some 2026, 2025 players but the warriors always seems to pivot into similar or even better players.
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Post by koavball on May 13, 2024 17:46:08 GMT -5
Congratulations to Kainoa Wade and the Kamehameha Warriors for winning the Hawaii state title. I didn't think they would do it but they did. Kainoa absolutely took over and denied Punahou a state title for the first time in 10 years. 2 POY awards, 1 state title, probably the best recruit out of the islands since Ma’a. Not a bad three year hs career for Kainoa. |
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Post by hapaguy on May 13, 2024 17:57:03 GMT -5
The hope is probably for Kainoa and Finn to redshirt because they will be amazing players their fifth years and could use a redshirt year to work on passing and getting stronger (also Victor, Matt and Presley) while Kristian, Louis, Clay and JT can all play oppo. However it will be entirely up to Finn, he can easily get on the floor and help his first year. It is true Hawaii will be loaded at the pins and opposing coaches (ahem Pepp) are using that to to their advantage for some 2026, 2025 players but the warriors always seems to pivot into similar or even better players. My apologies but I'm not 100% caught up on who we got coming in - who is "Presley"? |
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Post by brooselee on May 13, 2024 18:03:04 GMT -5
The hope is probably for Kainoa and Finn to redshirt because they will be amazing players their fifth years and could use a redshirt year to work on passing and getting stronger (also Victor, Matt and Presley) while Kristian, Louis, Clay and JT can all play oppo. However it will be entirely up to Finn, he can easily get on the floor and help his first year. It is true Hawaii will be loaded at the pins and opposing coaches (ahem Pepp) are using that to to their advantage for some 2026, 2025 players but the warriors always seems to pivot into similar or even better players. My apologies but I'm not 100% caught up on who we got coming in - who is "Presley"? Probably Presley Longfellow |
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Post by hapaguy on May 13, 2024 18:05:19 GMT -5
My apologies but I'm not 100% caught up on who we got coming in - who is "Presley"? Probably Presley Longfellow Thank you. I must have missed any discussion of him. Or did Koa just spill? |
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Post by brooselee on May 13, 2024 18:08:53 GMT -5
Probably Presley Longfellow Thank you. I must have missed any discussion of him. Or did Koa just spill? No…Presley was mentioned a while back when we were guessing who the local MB walk on would be. That Punahou kid was the other name mentioned but I guess it’s not Haidar so Longfellow is the guy. He played for Charlie and Outrigger so Charlie knows the kid and is giving him a chance. |
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Post by BigDigEnergy on May 13, 2024 18:11:43 GMT -5
Probably Presley Longfellow Thank you. I must have missed any discussion of him. Or did Koa just spill? I was wondering the same thing. The is the first time I heard of the name Presley lol. |
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Post by hapaguy on May 13, 2024 18:12:15 GMT -5
Thank you. I must have missed any discussion of him. Or did Koa just spill? No…Presley was mentioned a while back when we were guessing who the local MB walk on would be. That Punahou kid was the other name mentioned but I guess it’s not Haidar so Longfellow is the guy. He played for Charlie and Outrigger so Charlie knows the kid and is giving him a chance. Mahalo for filling me in! Obviously I need to log on to VT and read whats going on more often! |
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Post by gtrich on May 13, 2024 18:13:26 GMT -5
The coaches are going to be in a tough spot. IMO, there is no way Finn stays if he isn’t starting. I also have an hard time imagining him red shirting. This is a kid that is looking to play pro, He’s not gonna waste a year of his time as a red shirt in Hawaii. Hawaii now has an issue where they have a bunch of top level players that would start at almost any other school. Since you can now transfer and play in the same year, next fall is going to get real interesting when the kids come in, see where they land during fall practices, and then evaluate whether they are going to hit the portal in time to start at a new school during the regular season. I can’t help but think that JT has to be having some serious thoughts on his future in Hawaii, or whether he wants to transfer out for a guaranteed starting spot at a lot of good programs on the mainland.
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Post by gofaster88 on May 13, 2024 18:39:31 GMT -5
The coaches are going to be in a tough spot. IMO, there is no way Finn stays if he isn’t starting. I also have an hard time imagining him red shirting. This is a kid that is looking to play pro, He’s not gonna waste a year of his time as a red shirt in Hawaii. Hawaii now has an issue where they have a bunch of top level players that would start at almost any other school. Since you can now transfer and play in the same year, next fall is going to get real interesting when the kids come in, see where they land during fall practices, and then evaluate whether they are going to hit the portal in time to start at a new school during the regular season. I can’t help but think that JT has to be having some serious thoughts on his future in Hawaii, or whether he wants to transfer out for a guaranteed starting spot at a lot of good programs on the mainland. I agree, I just don't see Finn who has been "the guy" for the last 3 years to all of a sudden agree to redshirting or being the backup. Knowing full well he can walk on almost any other campus and be given a full ride and a starting spot. Even at UCLA, he'd have a shot with how up and down Ido was this teary. |
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Post by westcoastvolleyfreak on May 13, 2024 18:54:57 GMT -5
The hope is probably for Kainoa and Finn to redshirt because they will be amazing players their fifth years and could use a redshirt year to work on passing and getting stronger (also Victor, Matt and Presley) while Kristian, Louis, Clay and JT can all play oppo. However it will be entirely up to Finn, he can easily get on the floor and help his first year. It is true Hawaii will be loaded at the pins and opposing coaches (ahem Pepp) are using that to to their advantage for some 2026, 2025 players but the warriors always seems to pivot into similar or even better players. My apologies but I'm not 100% caught up on who we got coming in - who is "Presley"? presley is a dawg. undersized middle but can jump out of the roof. he could eventually be a cole hogland or dalton type of middle. i believe in him! he's also a great kid off the court too |
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Post by cosmo on May 13, 2024 18:54:59 GMT -5
The coaches are going to be in a tough spot. IMO, there is no way Finn stays if he isn’t starting. I also have an hard time imagining him red shirting. This is a kid that is looking to play pro, He’s not gonna waste a year of his time as a red shirt in Hawaii. Hawaii now has an issue where they have a bunch of top level players that would start at almost any other school. Since you can now transfer and play in the same year, next fall is going to get real interesting when the kids come in, see where they land during fall practices, and then evaluate whether they are going to hit the portal in time to start at a new school during the regular season. I can’t help but think that JT has to be having some serious thoughts on his future in Hawaii, or whether he wants to transfer out for a guaranteed starting spot at a lot of good programs on the mainland. I agree, I just don't see Finn who has been "the guy" for the last 3 years to all of a sudden agree to redshirting or being the backup. Knowing full well he can walk on almost any other campus and be given a full ride and a starting spot. Even at UCLA, he'd have a shot with how up and down Ido was this teary. If Finn is really looking to change positions to outside, that could probably buy a year or 2 if his passing isn't there yet. Training on the left on the Hawaii B Team is nothing to scoff at. That said, his class is too stacked to assume they'll stay together till graduation. Even the pins alone have 4 starting potential players, not even considering the classes around them. Even best case scenario, 3 of them get to start their senior season. Even with redshirts, I don't think any of them are going to end up like Alaka'i, who was willing to wait 5 years for his time in the spotlight. (For what it's worth Alaka'i deserved better. I mean, switched out on his last game at home, what the hell?) |
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Post by thor on May 13, 2024 19:28:07 GMT -5
As other Hawaii posters have commented, most D1 OPP are typically 6'7 or taller which allows them to be successful at circumventing a formidable block. Rado and Alakai were both 6'9 AA OPP, Dimi (another AA OPP) was a shade under 6'7 (6'674 based on CEV measurement) which is close enough but he could also jump! Unless Finn can jump out of a gym, his best shot at success in D1 (and as a pro) is LS, which means he needs to develop his passing and back-court skills. If he turns out to be our best OPP then great, he will be facing tough D1 competition which will prepare him for the next level after D1. If he isn't the best OPP in our gym, then he can challenge for a LS spot which is wide open right now. No harm in developing more skill sets which should help him when he turns pro. Having his buddies Tread and Josh (when he signs) around should make the D1 transition easier.
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Post by wotugeteyeproblem on May 13, 2024 19:47:40 GMT -5
I’m confused. People want quality depth but then when UH has a lot of quality depth people talk about that they would/should leave because they won’t get starting roles or should/shouldn’t redshirt. Everyone is one injury or bad night away from getting on/off the court. A quality bench pushes the starters. The program’s culture could be one where people understand that there are a lot talented players which fosters healthy competition and are working to make the team better.
Look at UCLA’s roster. It’s full of talented players. Some have redshirted and worked their way onto the court. Some have stepped in when starters have struggled. Why shouldn’t this also be the case for UH, to have a stacked bench where people understand their worth while also understanding their roles and what it takes to get on the floor when surrounded by people who could/should start anywhere else.
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Post by brooselee on May 13, 2024 19:59:02 GMT -5
The kids coming in understand that everyone on the roster are elite players. They can choose to compete or they can transfer. It's just way it will be in the future.
I'm not sure Finn would get a full ride like one poster mentioned above. Full ride is hard to get. If Finn was to go to UClA, there is no way he gets a full ride with all the talent they have there.
Sean Kelley is the #1 recruit in the country is there. Then there guys like Rama, Robinson, Rowan, etc....only 4.5 scholarships to go around.
Anyways, we are an elite level team. It's about competition on a team like this. No other way around it
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