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Post by psuvbfan10 on Apr 22, 2024 19:04:02 GMT -5
maryland as well!
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Post by psuvbfan10 on Apr 22, 2024 19:04:25 GMT -5
Rutgers as well but their athletic department is still in serious debt from what I've heard
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Post by akbar on Apr 23, 2024 4:56:46 GMT -5
So basically programs that really offer Sus degrees. (All Divisions included)
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Post by gofaster88 on Apr 23, 2024 8:19:40 GMT -5
So basically programs that really offer Sus degrees. (All Divisions included) 100% some of these schools you have to wonder if a degree is worth the paper it's printed on. In the end it's up to the kid and parents to do their research on the school. |
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Post by Volleyfan024 on Apr 23, 2024 9:15:19 GMT -5
So basically programs that really offer Sus degrees. (All Divisions included) Enrollment boosting programs Am happy to see SIAC growth though |
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Post by CityTechLegend on Apr 23, 2024 11:36:53 GMT -5
I would love to see Illinois, Wisconsin, and Nebraska add a men’s program. They’re already states with men’s volleyball as a high school sport or have a significant volleyball based community that could really foster interest and good programs. All of those schools you mentioned have solid CLUB programs. So do Rutgers (main campus), Michigan State, and Michigan. The lack of a men's team/program will always be notched to Title IX, even though that's not always the case. Budgets, travel expectations, scheduling, and even the opportunity to recruit the needed players factor into the decisions of an administration who plan on starting a men's volleyball program. However, IF the B1G wanted to have men's volleyball, it wouldn't be super difficult to have a viable conference base due to teh number of schools with well established club programs. But that's just my opinion... |
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Post by CityTechLegend on Apr 23, 2024 11:41:18 GMT -5
So basically programs that really offer Sus degrees. (All Divisions included) Question, and please understand where I am coming from with this.... What makes a degree from an accredited intitution (based on the regents/educational requiements of their state) be considered SUS??? There are too many schools in our country, that have ZERO repuation on the athletic end, but have always had solid reputations academically. What would make a degree from ANY college SUS? |
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Post by GrowingTheGame14 on Apr 23, 2024 13:38:13 GMT -5
MPSF with 10 teams. Maybe a way to protect themselves if UCLA and USC bail to a different conference with Big10 programs eventually? Vanguard, Jessup, Rockhurst, Pepperdine, GCU, Concordia Irvine, BYU, Stanford, UCLA, USC That's 18 conference games. Would become more difficult to schedule against MPSF teams for out-of-conference matches.
I don't see UCLA and USC bailing out right away if Big 10 wanna sponsor MVB. They would want a chance for an auto-bid. A new Big 10 with UCLA, USC, Penn State, & Ohio State will need to find 2 other teams that have been established for 2-3 years if they want an auto-bid.
If two more programs join, the Big Ten will have an auto bid and be a conference. I wonder if the Big Ten can do what the PAC 12 is doing with WSU and Oregon State. Basically, those two teams have two year grace period to compete as the PAC-12 for a PAC-12 championship, but are playing a Mountain West schedule. If they don’t find more teams, the conference will dissolve. Could you do that on a per sport basis? Could UCLA, USC stay in their current scheduled conference, still compete for a Big 10 championship for two seasons, if it doesn’t work then they go back to the conferences. people smarter than I am who actually make those decisions have probably had those conversations already I’m sure. |
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Post by GrowingTheGame14 on Apr 23, 2024 13:54:36 GMT -5
MPSF with 10 teams. Maybe a way to protect themselves if UCLA and USC bail to a different conference with Big10 programs eventually? I don't see the Big 10 forming a volleyball league. A big issue is travel - that alignment would effectively lock in their travel budgets for the league games, leaving them no flexibility for non-conference travel. For access to the NCAA tournament, they're already well positioned to get multiple bids in their existing conferences (Penn State would lose out on relatively easy access to the tournament), so a new conference would likely reduce their access there. Ultimately, it's in the best interests of the schools to have their non-revenue sports stay as local as possible. Really hard to tell on this. What makes the Big Ten so special is the rivalries which are big in volleyball. The average attendance between the teams competing was roughly 2700 with 4700 in attendance for USC vs. UCLA. Volleyball doesn’t operate at a total lost for most of the programs and many of the facilities average from 3,000 fans to the 5,000+ facilities (like Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Nebraska which these teams nearly sell out every game). The money maker for the Big Ten and conferences is the TV deal. UCLA was brought out of the red by the big ten deal simply because they have so many Olympic sports there. If the big ten feels that they can get some good money and consistent coverage from men’s volleyball they will do it. People don’t want to watch Ohio state vs Ball State or Penn State vs George Mason. Men’s volleyball fans may want to. The general public however would want to see the Penn State Vs Ohio State or other big ten vs big ten matchups on tv. Watch it will start with more men’s volleyball coverage next year (because of UCLA and USC). Viewership on these matches will go up, and the Big Ten will probably try to make a push to their schools in the next 3-5 years if they haven’t already. No doubt some of the best fan bases in volleyball are in the Big Ten. A lot of those programs would fully support boys (Nebraska and Wisconsin for starters). Could be wrong! I just know how much the sport is growing here in the Midwest. |
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Post by Badger Alum on Apr 23, 2024 17:34:50 GMT -5
I don't see the Big 10 forming a volleyball league. A big issue is travel - that alignment would effectively lock in their travel budgets for the league games, leaving them no flexibility for non-conference travel. For access to the NCAA tournament, they're already well positioned to get multiple bids in their existing conferences (Penn State would lose out on relatively easy access to the tournament), so a new conference would likely reduce their access there. Ultimately, it's in the best interests of the schools to have their non-revenue sports stay as local as possible. Really hard to tell on this. What makes the Big Ten so special is the rivalries which are big in volleyball. The average attendance between the teams competing was roughly 2700 with 4700 in attendance for USC vs. UCLA. Volleyball doesn’t operate at a total lost for most of the programs and many of the facilities average from 3,000 fans to the 5,000+ facilities (like Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Nebraska which these teams nearly sell out every game). The money maker for the Big Ten and conferences is the TV deal. UCLA was brought out of the red by the big ten deal simply because they have so many Olympic sports there. If the big ten feels that they can get some good money and consistent coverage from men’s volleyball they will do it. People don’t want to watch Ohio state vs Ball State or Penn State vs George Mason. Men’s volleyball fans may want to. The general public however would want to see the Penn State Vs Ohio State or other big ten vs big ten matchups on tv. Watch it will start with more men’s volleyball coverage next year (because of UCLA and USC). Viewership on these matches will go up, and the Big Ten will probably try to make a push to their schools in the next 3-5 years if they haven’t already. No doubt some of the best fan bases in volleyball are in the Big Ten. A lot of those programs would fully support boys (Nebraska and Wisconsin for starters). Could be wrong! I just know how much the sport is growing here in the Midwest. There is plenty of fan support in several Big 10 cities to provide strong men's volleyball programs. But Title IX has killed it. Men's volleyball is not an option for most Big 10 schools as long as Title IX exists. |
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Post by vbnerd on Apr 24, 2024 10:43:10 GMT -5
Ultimately, it's in the best interests of the schools to have their non-revenue sports stay as local as possible. This is in no way unique. Tulsa doesn't need to play Temple in Men's Tennis. Creighton doesn't need to play St. Johns in baseball. There is a conference for public schools in California, and yet Sacramento State is in a league with Northern Arizona and Montana. UCF has 11 other D1 volleyball programs in Florida, but is going to play Arizona and West Virginia. I'm not saying you are wrong in anyway, but that college sports generally does not care what makes sense. |
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Post by ManapuaSurprise on Apr 24, 2024 13:20:44 GMT -5
Really hard to tell on this. What makes the Big Ten so special is the rivalries which are big in volleyball. The average attendance between the teams competing was roughly 2700 with 4700 in attendance for USC vs. UCLA. Volleyball doesn’t operate at a total lost for most of the programs and many of the facilities average from 3,000 fans to the 5,000+ facilities (like Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Nebraska which these teams nearly sell out every game). The money maker for the Big Ten and conferences is the TV deal. UCLA was brought out of the red by the big ten deal simply because they have so many Olympic sports there. If the big ten feels that they can get some good money and consistent coverage from men’s volleyball they will do it. People don’t want to watch Ohio state vs Ball State or Penn State vs George Mason. Men’s volleyball fans may want to. The general public however would want to see the Penn State Vs Ohio State or other big ten vs big ten matchups on tv. Watch it will start with more men’s volleyball coverage next year (because of UCLA and USC). Viewership on these matches will go up, and the Big Ten will probably try to make a push to their schools in the next 3-5 years if they haven’t already. No doubt some of the best fan bases in volleyball are in the Big Ten. A lot of those programs would fully support boys (Nebraska and Wisconsin for starters). Could be wrong! I just know how much the sport is growing here in the Midwest. There is plenty of fan support in several Big 10 cities to provide strong men's volleyball programs. But Title IX has killed it. Men's volleyball is not an option for most Big 10 schools as long as Title IX exists. i dont see any of the Power 5 football conferences sponsoring men's VB. I dont blame Title IX tho, i blame football for taking up all the scholies slots |
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Post by GrowingTheGame14 on Apr 24, 2024 14:14:40 GMT -5
There is plenty of fan support in several Big 10 cities to provide strong men's volleyball programs. But Title IX has killed it. Men's volleyball is not an option for most Big 10 schools as long as Title IX exists. i dont see any of the Power 5 football conferences sponsoring men's VB. I dont blame Title IX tho, i blame football for taking up all the scholies slots Not sure how conferences sponsoring impact schools sponsoring. Conferences don’t dictate sports offered by the school. The school does. Or else why would any current Power 5 school have Men’s volleyball? |
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Post by gofaster88 on Apr 24, 2024 14:30:05 GMT -5
Really hard to tell on this. What makes the Big Ten so special is the rivalries which are big in volleyball. The average attendance between the teams competing was roughly 2700 with 4700 in attendance for USC vs. UCLA. Volleyball doesn’t operate at a total lost for most of the programs and many of the facilities average from 3,000 fans to the 5,000+ facilities (like Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Nebraska which these teams nearly sell out every game). The money maker for the Big Ten and conferences is the TV deal. UCLA was brought out of the red by the big ten deal simply because they have so many Olympic sports there. If the big ten feels that they can get some good money and consistent coverage from men’s volleyball they will do it. People don’t want to watch Ohio state vs Ball State or Penn State vs George Mason. Men’s volleyball fans may want to. The general public however would want to see the Penn State Vs Ohio State or other big ten vs big ten matchups on tv. Watch it will start with more men’s volleyball coverage next year (because of UCLA and USC). Viewership on these matches will go up, and the Big Ten will probably try to make a push to their schools in the next 3-5 years if they haven’t already. No doubt some of the best fan bases in volleyball are in the Big Ten. A lot of those programs would fully support boys (Nebraska and Wisconsin for starters). Could be wrong! I just know how much the sport is growing here in the Midwest. There is plenty of fan support in several Big 10 cities to provide strong men's volleyball programs. But Title IX has killed it. Men's volleyball is not an option for most Big 10 schools as long as Title IX exists. Didn't Nebraska just add Women's Beach Volleyball? Wouldn't that help the cause toward opportunities for Men's Volleyball? |
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Post by jmpy5 on Apr 24, 2024 14:31:59 GMT -5
Yes, for the B1G at least, this is driven by the schools. They require six teams to sponsor. With Men's Hockey and with Men's and Women's Lacrosse (Johns Hopkins) they have gotten to six teams with an associate member school. It would be a stretch for them to get to six with two associate schools. But there are a number of schools out there that would fit the somewhat high academic bar they have set for associate members, Stanford, Princeton, Harvard. So you probably need a current B1G school to add Men's Volleyball which as noted above is likely a non-starter on the current Title IX framework. It is a hard ask for these schools to add when they have recently cut other sports. Big time football is the culprit, but when you look at the realities of these athletic department budgets, and just how much of the $$$$ comes from football you see the problem. So the B1G is probably out and if you are going to get a flashy name in B!G country it will probably be a hoops school without football - in the Loyola mold. Marquette has considered without much traction.
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