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Post by volleyguy on Apr 29, 2024 14:10:02 GMT -5
I'm not sure being "from the country" is a good defense in this case.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 29, 2024 14:15:17 GMT -5
I'm not sure being "from the country" is a good defense in this case. Pretty sure most farmers don't shoot their own puppies. Certainly they don't boast about it in a book they think will help their careers in politics. It's even frowned upon to shoot old dogs rather than have the vet euthanize them. Yeah, it's cheaper and perhaps just as effective, but it's still seen as pretty heartless.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Apr 29, 2024 14:18:03 GMT -5
I'm not sure being "from the country" is a good defense in this case. I’ll pass that along to my brother-in-law who may have taken similar action with dog he had that was too aggressive.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Apr 29, 2024 14:20:57 GMT -5
I'm not sure being "from the country" is a good defense in this case. Pretty sure most farmers don't shoot their own puppies. Certainly they don't boast about it in a book they think will help their careers in politics. It's even frowned upon to shoot old dogs rather than have the vet euthanize them. Yeah, it's cheaper and perhaps just as effective, but it's still seen as pretty heartless. Apparently my father-in-law never got that memo. I don’t think he ever to his dogs to the vet when their time was up.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 29, 2024 14:23:17 GMT -5
They just can't help telling on themselves. In their books and in this thread.
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 29, 2024 14:24:01 GMT -5
Pretty sure most farmers don't shoot their own puppies. Certainly they don't boast about it in a book they think will help their careers in politics. It's even frowned upon to shoot old dogs rather than have the vet euthanize them. Yeah, it's cheaper and perhaps just as effective, but it's still seen as pretty heartless. Apparently my father-in-law never got that memo. I don’t think he ever to his dogs to the vet when their time was up. Why limit it to dogs?
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Apr 29, 2024 14:25:12 GMT -5
Apparently my father-in-law never got that memo. I don’t think he ever to his dogs to the vet when their time was up. Why limit it to dogs? What do you want to extend it to?
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 29, 2024 14:27:36 GMT -5
What do you want to extend it to? I'm not suggesting it be extended. I'm asking about the limits of your logic and/or rationalization.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 29, 2024 14:27:43 GMT -5
Pretty sure most farmers don't shoot their own puppies. Certainly they don't boast about it in a book they think will help their careers in politics. It's even frowned upon to shoot old dogs rather than have the vet euthanize them. Yeah, it's cheaper and perhaps just as effective, but it's still seen as pretty heartless. Apparently my father-in-law never got that memo. I don’t think he ever to his dogs to the vet when their time was up. Did he boast about it in a book? Were they 14-month-old puppies? I know my dad, who has been a hunter all his life and has killed a lot of animals, has never killed one of his own dogs. He pays the vet to do that. He has several of them buried with grave markers in the back yard. I know some people don't think of their dogs as members of the family, but most Americans do, and it's rather foolish to boast about it and then expect that won't impact your career in politics. Hell, it haunted Mitt Romney when he told his story about transporting the family dog on the roof of the car like it was luggage. It wasn't really much different from hauling around dogs in the back of a pickup, which every member of my family (except me) has done, but it just didn't go over well to say he had tied his dog (in a crate, I assume) to the top of his car.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 29, 2024 14:35:11 GMT -5
I mean, it didn't help Ted Cruz when people found out he had left the family dog alone at home in an unheated house when he and his family decided to take a vacation to Cancun to get away from a power outage. (Given that it was Ted Cruz, though, it probably didn't hurt his reputation much, since he's already one of the most disliked people in politics.)
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Apr 29, 2024 14:38:43 GMT -5
What do you want to extend it to? I'm not suggesting it be extended. I'm asking about the limits of your logic and/or rationalization. I have no problem with putting down farm animals (dogs included) if it’s called for. I also understand the mentality of my father (and brother)-in-law when it comes to doing it yourself rather than driving into town and paying the vet to do it. My wife comes from a community where cows and pigs are slaughtered all the time. Animals that are old are “put out of their misery” and animals that are dangerous are “dealt with”.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 29, 2024 14:38:49 GMT -5
Just look at how gleefully her Republican rivals have jumped on this, saying that she has done her own "oppo" research on herself and then given it to everyone else as a gift.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Apr 29, 2024 14:45:12 GMT -5
Apparently my father-in-law never got that memo. I don’t think he ever to his dogs to the vet when their time was up. Did he boast about it in a book? Were they 14-month-old puppies? I know my dad, who has been a hunter all his life and has killed a lot of animals, has never killed one of his own dogs. He pays the vet to do that. He has several of them buried with grave markers in the back yard. I know some people don't think of their dogs as members of the family, but most Americans do, and it's rather foolish to boast about it and then expect that won't impact your career in politics. Hell, it haunted Mitt Romney when he told his story about transporting the family dog on the roof of the car like it was luggage. It wasn't really much different from hauling around dogs in the back of a pickup, which every member of my family (except me) has done, but it just didn't go over well to say he had tied his dog (in a crate, I assume) to the top of his car. Your dad didn’t, my father-in-law did. So? So should Kristi Noem have included it her book? I’d say no, but she did and she’ll have to face whatever ramifications come with it. You keep getting hung up on the word puppy. At 14 months, I’m pretty sure that breed of dog is fairly close to full grown but I could be wrong. I had a vizsla and I don’t remember her getting much bigger after 14 months.
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Post by bluepenquin on Apr 29, 2024 14:54:39 GMT -5
I'm not sure being "from the country" is a good defense in this case. Pretty sure most farmers don't shoot their own puppies. Certainly they don't boast about it in a book they think will help their careers in politics. It's even frowned upon to shoot old dogs rather than have the vet euthanize them. Yeah, it's cheaper and perhaps just as effective, but it's still seen as pretty heartless. Puppy withstanding - when and how to put a dog down is really tough. The latest one for me was this January. Long story, but we ended up at a friend's house where my old dog was clearly getting to the end of time. It was clear that we needed to act and he wouldn't be making it back home with us. The guy where we were staying offered to take care of him, but said we probably wouldn't like his methods - he does the gunshot to the head - he lives in the country. My wife spent 2 or 3 hours holding our dog in the shed waiting for vet that was a good friend of where we were staying to come over and give him the shot. Way better solution than dragging him to the vet. I am pretty much a huge dog lover - and I don't know that taking a dog to the vet and getting a shot is more humane than a shot in the head. I couldn't be with my dog this time - but have held my dog while getting his shot from the vet for the last 6 dogs of mine. Some of them didn't go quickly or real well. No complaints - but just a shot in the head when they don't see it coming is really not a bad way to do this. The problem is the mess (not the 'benefit' of costing less). The dog - they don't care about the post death mess.
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Post by jsquare on Apr 29, 2024 14:55:15 GMT -5
I'm not suggesting it be extended. I'm asking about the limits of your logic and/or rationalization. I have no problem with putting down farm animals (dogs included) if it’s called for. I also understand the mentality of my father (and brother)-in-law when it comes to doing it yourself rather than driving into town and paying the vet to do it. My wife comes from a community where cows and pigs are slaughtered all the time. Animals that are old are “put out of their misery” and animals that are dangerous are “dealt with”. Now you are defending killing a puppy just for fun. You really suck as a human being.
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