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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Apr 29, 2024 15:41:33 GMT -5
Pretty sure most farmers don't shoot their own puppies. Certainly they don't boast about it in a book they think will help their careers in politics. It's even frowned upon to shoot old dogs rather than have the vet euthanize them. Yeah, it's cheaper and perhaps just as effective, but it's still seen as pretty heartless. Puppy withstanding - when and how to put a dog down is really tough. The latest one for me was this January. Long story, but we ended up at a friend's house where my old dog was clearly getting to the end of time. It was clear that we needed to act and he wouldn't be making it back home with us. The guy where we were staying offered to take care of him, but said we probably wouldn't like his methods - he does the gunshot to the head - he lives in the country. My wife spent 2 or 3 hours holding our dog in the shed waiting for vet that was a good friend of where we were staying to come over and give him the shot. Way better solution than dragging him to the vet. I am pretty much a huge dog lover - and I don't know that taking a dog to the vet and getting a shot is more humane than a shot in the head. I couldn't be with my dog this time - but have held my dog while getting his shot from the vet for the last 6 dogs of mine. Some of them didn't go quickly or real well. No complaints - but just a shot in the head when they don't see it coming is really not a bad way to do this. The problem is the mess (not the 'benefit' of costing less). The dog - they don't care about the post death mess. Had to put our dog down within two years of both my parents dying. That was something that I didn't want to be in the room for.
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Post by mervinswerved on Apr 29, 2024 15:42:14 GMT -5
Kristi's story seems to keep shifting - it's now to the point that the dog in question was apparently Cujo, a killing machine and menace to society that needed to be gunned down to save humanity itself. Yo, Governor, if your intention was to train the dog as a bird dog (and that's a great breed for game hunting), and it wasn't working out, that's your damn fault for not properly training the dog. And if it's not working out, there are dog rescue/re-training organizations all over South Dakota. I've been hunting game for nearly 30 years now, and have been around dozens of gun dogs and gun dog owners, and I have yet to recall any of them simply deciding to put a young dog down. More simply put, Noem's story smells. That breed requires a tremendous amount of training to not be a complete asshle of a dog so if the dog is an asshle, it's entirely the owner's fault and besides that, Noem's behavior is beyond the pale.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Apr 29, 2024 15:43:31 GMT -5
I have no problem with putting down farm animals (dogs included) if it’s called for. I also understand the mentality of my father (and brother)-in-law when it comes to doing it yourself rather than driving into town and paying the vet to do it. My wife comes from a community where cows and pigs are slaughtered all the time. Animals that are old are “put out of their misery” and animals that are dangerous are “dealt with”. Putting down a perfectly healthy very young (14 months) dog for convenience is not called for in any situation you mentioned. That's fair. There were other avenues, I'm assuming, Noem could've gone down but didn't.
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Post by oldnewbie on Apr 29, 2024 16:03:50 GMT -5
Stop defending someone shooting a puppy for fun. Once again, you saying over and over that someone shot a puppy "for fun" doesn't make it so. "For fun" is not fair, based at least on what I know (which is not that much). I agree with the phrasing of the dog trainer in the above video who said it was for "basically annoying her and for embarrassing her."
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Post by oldnewbie on Apr 29, 2024 16:05:45 GMT -5
Kristi's story seems to keep shifting ... More simply put, Noem's story smells. This is an interesting thought, that the story isn't even true, but that she made it up because she thought it would appeal to some demographic she is pursuing.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 29, 2024 16:06:57 GMT -5
Once again, you saying over and over that someone shot a puppy "for fun" doesn't make it so. "For fun" is not fair, based at least on what I know (which is not that much). I agree with the phrasing of the dog trainer in the above video who said it was for "basically annoying her and for embarrassing her." The goat, on the other hand.... It really does seem from her own story like once she shot the dog, that made her think she should just shoot the goat too. She actually had to go get it and bring it to the gravel pit, where she shot it like the dog. (And unlike the dog she botched killing it, so she had to go get another shell in order to finish it off.)
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Post by oldnewbie on Apr 29, 2024 16:09:25 GMT -5
Had to put our dog down within two years of both my parents dying. That was something that I didn't want to be in the room for. I didn't want to simply "like" this post because that is trite and gives the wrong sentiment. I commiserate and feel for you. Those decisions suck, and are really hard.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 29, 2024 16:10:51 GMT -5
Kristi's story seems to keep shifting ... More simply put, Noem's story smells. This is an interesting thought, that the story isn't even true, but that she made it up because she thought it would appeal to some demographic she is pursuing. I'm not sure she would have made up the story about not being able to kill the goat with the first shot, and having to go get more ammo to finish it off. Who is *that* supposed to appeal to?
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Post by oldnewbie on Apr 29, 2024 16:26:14 GMT -5
This is an interesting thought, that the story isn't even true, but that she made it up because she thought it would appeal to some demographic she is pursuing. I'm not sure she would have made up the story about not being able to kill the goat with the first shot, and having to go get more ammo to finish it off. Who is *that* supposed to appeal to? Honestly, I didn't read about the goat and wasn't considering it. That did just wound warped. Now she is trying to justify it by saying they recently had to shoot 3 horses "that had been in our family for 25 years", so were older than 25 by some amount. She thinks we are idiots and don't understand that the lifespan of a horse is roughly 25 years, and they likely were at the very end of their lives. Hardly the same as a 14 month old puppy or a “nasty and mean” male goat that smelled bad and liked to chase her kids.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 29, 2024 16:43:33 GMT -5
I suppose it did teach her kids that they better do what she says, or else she might take them out to the gravel pit like she did Cricket.
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Post by FreeBall on Apr 29, 2024 16:43:56 GMT -5
I thought her ethics lapses would catch up to her, or her open extra-marital affair with Corey Lewandowski, but it looks like the puppy-shooting story (whether it's true or not) may be the, well, killer, so to speak. Kristi Noem will never be confused with a Rhodes Scholar to begin with, but even she should have figured this was probably not the wisest anecdote to include in her book. You may well be correct that this story coming to light "kills" her chances of higher office, at least in the short term. But, here's something I don't understand. Donald Trump has (IMO) done many things as bad or worse and doesn't seem to suffer any loss of support when those things come to light. What's the explanation for the differing treatment?
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Post by Mocha on Apr 29, 2024 16:49:13 GMT -5
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Post by bluepenquin on Apr 29, 2024 17:03:21 GMT -5
My unsolicited opinion on Noem - and particularly on Noem as Trump's VP.
I think Noem wouldn't be a good VP, but then I am not sure VP's do anything. I think she would be a particularly bad political choice for Trump. Noem brings in nobody. There is potential for Trump to name someone that could help him on the margins. Typically, I think VP candidates have no impact for the President's chances of winning, but I do think there are a LOT of independents or Republicans that do not like Trump and someone like Noem isn't going to help them move towards voting for Trump. There is some low hanging fruit for Trump.
This incident from Noem probably helps Trump - if it moves him farther away from selecting her as his running mate. There is no way this helps Noem politically.
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Post by gtrich on Apr 29, 2024 17:23:29 GMT -5
It was crazy-foolish for Noem to boast about this in her book and assume it would *help* her politically. That's one of the parts to this that makes no sense from a politics perspective. The farmers/ranchers that understand what she did and have no issues with it were going to vote for her anyway. The rest of the country that see's dogs/cats/goats ... as another one of their kids won't understand the perspective and probably never will. I've talked to a good number of cattle ranchers/farmers that will shoot any dog that chases or harms their livestock on site; no questions asked. It doesn't matter if it's their dog, the neighbors dog, or some stray someone dumped on the side of the road (which happens way too often). To them, their livestock is how they make a living and they aren't going to lose a cow when a dog chases it and it breaks a leg or gets bitten and dies from an infection. The difference is they know the 3rd S and don't publish it in a book.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Apr 29, 2024 18:16:49 GMT -5
Had to put our dog down within two years of both my parents dying. That was something that I didn't want to be in the room for. I didn't want to simply "like" this post because that is trite and gives the wrong sentiment. I commiserate and feel for you. Those decisions suck, and are really hard. Thank you, it was a difficult decision at a difficult time (2020).
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