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Post by jsquare on Apr 29, 2024 14:57:48 GMT -5
Did he boast about it in a book? Were they 14-month-old puppies? I know my dad, who has been a hunter all his life and has killed a lot of animals, has never killed one of his own dogs. He pays the vet to do that. He has several of them buried with grave markers in the back yard. I know some people don't think of their dogs as members of the family, but most Americans do, and it's rather foolish to boast about it and then expect that won't impact your career in politics. Hell, it haunted Mitt Romney when he told his story about transporting the family dog on the roof of the car like it was luggage. It wasn't really much different from hauling around dogs in the back of a pickup, which every member of my family (except me) has done, but it just didn't go over well to say he had tied his dog (in a crate, I assume) to the top of his car. Your dad didn’t, my father-in-law did. So? So should Kristi Noem have included it her book? I’d say no, but she did and she’ll have to face whatever ramifications come with it. You keep getting hung up on the word puppy. At 14 months, I’m pretty sure that breed of dog is fairly close to full grown but I could be wrong. I had a vizsla and I don’t remember her getting much bigger after 14 months. 14 months is a puppy, f#cktard.
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Post by oldnewbie on Apr 29, 2024 14:58:44 GMT -5
I'm not suggesting it be extended. I'm asking about the limits of your logic and/or rationalization. I have no problem with putting down farm animals (dogs included) if it’s called for. I also understand the mentality of my father (and brother)-in-law when it comes to doing it yourself rather than driving into town and paying the vet to do it. My wife comes from a community where cows and pigs are slaughtered all the time. Animals that are old are “put out of their misery” and animals that are dangerous are “dealt with”. Putting down a perfectly healthy very young (14 months) dog for convenience is not called for in any situation you mentioned.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Apr 29, 2024 15:00:34 GMT -5
I have no problem with putting down farm animals (dogs included) if it’s called for. I also understand the mentality of my father (and brother)-in-law when it comes to doing it yourself rather than driving into town and paying the vet to do it. My wife comes from a community where cows and pigs are slaughtered all the time. Animals that are old are “put out of their misery” and animals that are dangerous are “dealt with”. Now you are defending killing a puppy just for fun. You really suck as a human being. It’s almost scary how you will see what you want to see without it having any basis in reality. Who said anything about killing a puppy “just for fun”? Terrible attempt on your part.
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 29, 2024 15:00:45 GMT -5
I'm not suggesting it be extended. I'm asking about the limits of your logic and/or rationalization. I have no problem with putting down farm animals (dogs included) if it’s called for. I also understand the mentality of my father (and brother)-in-law when it comes to doing it yourself rather than driving into town and paying the vet to do it. My wife comes from a community where cows and pigs are slaughtered all the time. Animals that are old are “put out of their misery” and animals that are dangerous are “dealt with”. I don't have much of an issue with the idea of considering cost and/or efficacy of putting down an animal, including a pet, when it's time has come. I do question the value of comparing it with what Noem details in her book--it clearly wasn't because the dog and goat's "time had come" in terms of age, and it certainly not clear that either was particularly dangerous.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Apr 29, 2024 15:01:14 GMT -5
Your dad didn’t, my father-in-law did. So? So should Kristi Noem have included it her book? I’d say no, but she did and she’ll have to face whatever ramifications come with it. You keep getting hung up on the word puppy. At 14 months, I’m pretty sure that breed of dog is fairly close to full grown but I could be wrong. I had a vizsla and I don’t remember her getting much bigger after 14 months. 14 months is a puppy, f#cktard. And now for the swearing, go on wit yo bad self moody.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Apr 29, 2024 15:03:09 GMT -5
I have no problem with putting down farm animals (dogs included) if it’s called for. I also understand the mentality of my father (and brother)-in-law when it comes to doing it yourself rather than driving into town and paying the vet to do it. My wife comes from a community where cows and pigs are slaughtered all the time. Animals that are old are “put out of their misery” and animals that are dangerous are “dealt with”. I don't have much of an issue with the idea of considering cost and/or efficacy of putting down an animal, including a pet, when it's time has come. I do question the value of comparing it with what Noem details in her book--it clearly wasn't because the dog and goat's "time had come" in terms of age, and it certainly not clear that either was particularly dangerous. She made it seem like both animals were overly aggressive. I don’t know what she did in terms of dog training and I don’t know why a pen couldn’t be built for the goat.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 29, 2024 15:03:38 GMT -5
Assuming people are OK with killing and eating animals at all, there is nothing particularly different about killing and eating horses, dogs, cats, etc. In some places they do it. But in America, those animals are generally seen as different. People don't eat them. They treat them with more respect.
Yes, I am aware that some people consider it acceptable to shoot dogs. But most Americans don't.
It was crazy-foolish for Noem to boast about this in her book and assume it would *help* her politically.
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Post by jsquare on Apr 29, 2024 15:10:12 GMT -5
Now you are defending killing a puppy just for fun. You really suck as a human being. It’s almost scary how you will see what you want to see without it having any basis in reality. Who said anything about killing a puppy “just for fun”? Terrible attempt on your part. she brags about it in her book. You defend it.
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Post by jsquare on Apr 29, 2024 15:11:15 GMT -5
I don't have much of an issue with the idea of considering cost and/or efficacy of putting down an animal, including a pet, when it's time has come. I do question the value of comparing it with what Noem details in her book--it clearly wasn't because the dog and goat's "time had come" in terms of age, and it certainly not clear that either was particularly dangerous. She made it seem like both animals were overly aggressive. I don’t know what she did in terms of dog training and I don’t know why a pen couldn’t be built for the goat. then WTF can't you condemn this action?
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 29, 2024 15:11:35 GMT -5
I don’t know what she did in terms of dog training Obviously not much. There is a passage in the Heinlein book Starship Troopers where he is trying to make a comment about how we treat juvenile crime versus adult crime, and he gives a hypothetical about someone who does nothing to housetrain their dog for a full year. Then when the dog is a year old and still not housetrained, they shoot the dog for not having learned how to behave. This is obviously intended to be the COMPLETELY UNREASONABLE example of how to train a dog, and by extension is a comment that suggests treating juvenile crime with a slap on the wrist is also a bad idea. But Noem basically says she treated training her puppy this way in real life. She took it on *one* hunting trip; it was too excited and untrained to do anything but get in the way. Then she let it run loose with some chickens and it killed them. So she shot it. Like, how TF was it supposed to know what to do? Doesn't she think she had any responsibility to train the dog? And yes, 14 months is still a puppy. Most dogs don't really settle into adulthood until about two years.
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Post by jsquare on Apr 29, 2024 15:11:58 GMT -5
14 months is a puppy, f#cktard. And now for the swearing, go on wit yo bad self moody. Stop defending someone shooting a puppy for fun.
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Post by oldnewbie on Apr 29, 2024 15:12:27 GMT -5
Pretty sure most farmers don't shoot their own puppies. Certainly they don't boast about it in a book they think will help their careers in politics. It's even frowned upon to shoot old dogs rather than have the vet euthanize them. Yeah, it's cheaper and perhaps just as effective, but it's still seen as pretty heartless. Puppy withstanding - when and how to put a dog down is really tough. The latest one for me was this January. Long story, but we ended up at a friend's house where my old dog was clearly getting to the end of time. It was clear that we needed to act and he wouldn't be making it back home with us. The guy where we were staying offered to take care of him, but said we probably wouldn't like his methods - he does the gunshot to the head - he lives in the country. My wife spent 2 or 3 hours holding our dog in the shed waiting for vet that was a good friend of where we were staying to come over and give him the shot. Way better solution than dragging him to the vet. I am pretty much a huge dog lover - and I don't know that taking a dog to the vet and getting a shot is more humane than a shot in the head. I couldn't be with my dog this time - but have held my dog while getting his shot from the vet for the last 6 dogs of mine. Some of them didn't go quickly or real well. No complaints - but just a shot in the head when they don't see it coming is really not a bad way to do this. The problem is the mess (not the 'benefit' of costing less). The dog - they don't care about the post death mess. You are describing an entirely different scenario that has impacted the vast majority of dog owners. I don't envy anyone faced with what to do when with a suffering dog. I've watched two die at the vet before a decision was made, and two put down at our home (by a vet with drugs) so they would not have to go through a stressful trip to the vet on top of their failing health. Those decisions were difficult and very painful in every case. I have no opinion on how a dog is put down. It is such a difficult and painful decision, I trust in the individual to make the best decision for them as to when and how, considering their circumstances and location.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Apr 29, 2024 15:25:46 GMT -5
Kristi's story seems to keep shifting - it's now to the point that the dog in question was apparently Cujo, a killing machine and menace to society that needed to be gunned down to save humanity itself. Yo, Governor, if your intention was to train the dog as a bird dog (and that's a great breed for game hunting), and it wasn't working out, that's your damn fault for not properly training the dog. And if it's not working out, there are dog rescue/re-training organizations all over South Dakota. I've been hunting game for nearly 30 years now, and have been around dozens of gun dogs and gun dog owners, and I have yet to recall any of them simply deciding to put a young dog down. More simply put, Noem's story smells.
I thought her ethics lapses would catch up to her, or her open extra-marital affair with Corey Lewandowski, but it looks like the puppy-shooting story (whether it's true or not) may be the, well, killer, so to speak. Kristi Noem will never be confused with a Rhodes Scholar to begin with, but even she should have figured this was probably not the wisest anecdote to include in her book.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Apr 29, 2024 15:34:54 GMT -5
And now for the swearing, go on wit yo bad self moody. Stop defending someone shooting a puppy for fun. Once again, you saying over and over that someone shot a puppy "for fun" doesn't make it so.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Apr 29, 2024 15:37:44 GMT -5
It’s almost scary how you will see what you want to see without it having any basis in reality. Who said anything about killing a puppy “just for fun”? Terrible attempt on your part. she brags about it in her book. You defend it. In her book she said that shot the dog "just for fun"?
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