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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Apr 29, 2024 18:19:37 GMT -5
Kristi's story seems to keep shifting ... More simply put, Noem's story smells. This is an interesting thought, that the story isn't even true, but that she made it up because she thought it would appeal to some demographic she is pursuing. I think her premise was that she's able to "make the tough decisions". She should have made the smart decision and not share that story.
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Post by oldnewbie on Apr 29, 2024 18:20:05 GMT -5
My unsolicited opinion on Noem - and particularly on Noem as Trump's VP. I think Noem wouldn't be a good VP, but then I am not sure VP's do anything. I think she would be a particularly bad political choice for Trump. Noem brings in nobody. There is potential for Trump to name someone that could help him on the margins. Typically, I think VP candidates have no impact for the President's chances of winning, but I do think there are a LOT of independents or Republicans that do not like Trump and someone like Noem isn't going to help them move towards voting for Trump. There is some low hanging fruit for Trump. This incident from Noem probably helps Trump - if it moves him farther away from selecting her as his running mate. There is no way this helps Noem politically. She would seem to fill the exact same role that Palin did for McCain, to bring a younger good looking woman to the ticket that has executive experience albeit with an unpopulated state that doesn't carry much weight and you were already going to win. Of course she is 9 years older than Palin was, and as old as McCain seemed, he was 6 years younger than Trump is now. Strangely, the age difference between Palin and McCain and Noem and Trump isn't too far off. That failed majorly with Palin, largely because it was sort of a knee-jerk selection where they hadn't done all their homework and she had a few issues and wasn't quite ready for the big stage. I get similar vibes from Noem but I don't think Trump will make the same mistake as McCain.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 29, 2024 18:22:24 GMT -5
I thought her ethics lapses would catch up to her, or her open extra-marital affair with Corey Lewandowski, but it looks like the puppy-shooting story (whether it's true or not) may be the, well, killer, so to speak. Kristi Noem will never be confused with a Rhodes Scholar to begin with, but even she should have figured this was probably not the wisest anecdote to include in her book. You may well be correct that this story coming to light "kills" her chances of higher office, at least in the short term. But, here's something I don't understand. Donald Trump has (IMO) done many things as bad or worse and doesn't seem to suffer any loss of support when those things come to light. What's the explanation for the differing treatment? Because you can abuse people as a politician in America all you want, but abuse a dog? Absolutely not.
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Post by oldnewbie on Apr 29, 2024 18:53:38 GMT -5
I forgot that she is also the one that had work done on her teeth and did that bizarre infomercial for Smile Texas.
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Post by jsquare on Apr 29, 2024 19:45:39 GMT -5
she brags about it in her book. You defend it. In her book she said that shot the dog "just for fun"? In her book she said she shot and killed her puppy intentionally. Why you are defending that no one knows.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Apr 30, 2024 7:56:51 GMT -5
In her book she said that shot the dog "just for fun"? In her book she said she shot and killed her puppy intentionally. Why you are defending that no one knows. You mischaracterize her actions as being "just for fun". We all know why you do that.
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Post by jsquare on Apr 30, 2024 7:59:21 GMT -5
In her book she said she shot and killed her puppy intentionally. Why you are defending that no one knows. You mischaracterize her actions as being "just for fun". We all know why you do that. Why do you defend her killing of a puppy? What do you have against puppies? Do you use puppies as shooting targets for sport as well?
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Post by jsquare on Apr 30, 2024 8:02:20 GMT -5
In her book she said she shot and killed her puppy intentionally. Why you are defending that no one knows. You mischaracterize her actions as being "just for fun". We all know why you do that. Did you see that she killed a goat as well because it got her kids' clothes dirty and smelled bad? Why do you defend that?
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Apr 30, 2024 8:08:20 GMT -5
You mischaracterize her actions as being "just for fun". We all know why you do that. Did you see that she killed a goat as well because it got her kids' clothes dirty and smelled bad? Why do you defend that? Where did I defend that?
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Post by jsquare on Apr 30, 2024 8:09:31 GMT -5
Did you see that she killed a goat as well because it got her kids' clothes dirty and smelled bad? Why do you defend that? Where did I defend that? Do you condemn her actions of killing her dog?
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Apr 30, 2024 8:11:56 GMT -5
You mischaracterize her actions as being "just for fun". We all know why you do that. Why do you defend her killing of a puppy? What do you have against puppies? Do you use puppies as shooting targets for sport as well? Did I? Where? As well as who? NOBODY killed a dog for sport. Once again your mind has made something that is not.
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Post by jsquare on Apr 30, 2024 8:14:11 GMT -5
Why do you defend her killing of a puppy? What do you have against puppies? Do you use puppies as shooting targets for sport as well? Did I? Where? As well as who? NOBODY killed a dog for sport. Once again your mind has made something that is not. Do you condemn her shooting her dog?
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Apr 30, 2024 8:22:09 GMT -5
Do you condemn her actions of killing her dog? I don't know all of the true situations surrounding what happened (how aggressive was the dog, how much did she work with the dog, was there a dog trainer in the nearby vicinity or animal shelter that the dog could have been taken to). I do agree with merv when he said that a misbehaved dog is typically the fault of the owner. I had one dog in my life (temperament not that different from a German Shorthaired pointer) and I worked hard to make sure she was a well-behaved dog. She also had a sweet disposition which made training easier. I also have been told, by my wife, that where she's from a dog loose on other people's property and killing chickens is going to receive the same treatment Noem administered. It was rash in my view.
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Post by jsquare on Apr 30, 2024 8:24:35 GMT -5
Do you condemn her actions of killing her dog? I don't know all of the true situations surrounding what happened (how aggressive was the dog, how much did she work with the dog, was there a dog trainer in the nearby vicinity or animal shelter that the dog could have been taken to). I do agree with merv when he said that a misbehaved dog is typically the fault of the owner. I had one dog in my life (temperament not that different from a German Shorthaired pointer) and I worked hard to make sure she was a well-behaved dog. She also had a sweet disposition which made training easier. I also have been told, by my wife, that where she's from a dog loose on other people's property and killing chickens is going to receive the same treatment Noem administered. It was rash in my view. She led her 14 month old puppy to a gravel pit and shot her in the head. If you can't condemn that action you suck as a person. You refuse to condemn that action...
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Post by bluepenquin on Apr 30, 2024 8:25:07 GMT -5
My unsolicited opinion on Noem - and particularly on Noem as Trump's VP. I think Noem wouldn't be a good VP, but then I am not sure VP's do anything. I think she would be a particularly bad political choice for Trump. Noem brings in nobody. There is potential for Trump to name someone that could help him on the margins. Typically, I think VP candidates have no impact for the President's chances of winning, but I do think there are a LOT of independents or Republicans that do not like Trump and someone like Noem isn't going to help them move towards voting for Trump. There is some low hanging fruit for Trump. This incident from Noem probably helps Trump - if it moves him farther away from selecting her as his running mate. There is no way this helps Noem politically. She would seem to fill the exact same role that Palin did for McCain, to bring a younger good looking woman to the ticket that has executive experience albeit with an unpopulated state that doesn't carry much weight and you were already going to win. Of course she is 9 years older than Palin was, and as old as McCain seemed, he was 6 years younger than Trump is now. Strangely, the age difference between Palin and McCain and Noem and Trump isn't too far off. That failed majorly with Palin, largely because it was sort of a knee-jerk selection where they hadn't done all their homework and she had a few issues and wasn't quite ready for the big stage. I get similar vibes from Noem but I don't think Trump will make the same mistake as McCain. There was no person that McCain could have picked as his VP that would have made a difference. A Republican winning in 2008 - under that environment - was an impossible task. At least Palin potentially brought in the type of Republicans that have flocked to Trump and that McCain had no connection to. Noem identifies with the exact same people that are already going to vote for Trump. Again, I don't think VPs make any difference - except possibly with Trump and what looks like a very close election. There are millions of Republicans and Republican leaning independents that will be holding their nose when voting for Trump. He needs to get a very large % of these voters - and having Noem as his VP choice will not help with a single one of these people. Someone like Tim Scott could help on the margins.
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