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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Apr 30, 2024 8:43:33 GMT -5
I don't know all of the true situations surrounding what happened (how aggressive was the dog, how much did she work with the dog, was there a dog trainer in the nearby vicinity or animal shelter that the dog could have been taken to). I do agree with merv when he said that a misbehaved dog is typically the fault of the owner. I had one dog in my life (temperament not that different from a German Shorthaired pointer) and I worked hard to make sure she was a well-behaved dog. She also had a sweet disposition which made training easier. I also have been told, by my wife, that where she's from a dog loose on other people's property and killing chickens is going to receive the same treatment Noem administered. It was rash in my view. She led her 14 month old puppy to a gravel pit and shot her in the head. If you can't condemn that action you suck as a person. You refuse to condemn that action... Oh nooooo... I refuse to use your hyperbolic language. The needle isn't moved on this one.
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Post by jsquare on Apr 30, 2024 8:50:36 GMT -5
She led her 14 month old puppy to a gravel pit and shot her in the head. If you can't condemn that action you suck as a person. You refuse to condemn that action... Oh nooooo... I refuse to use your hyperbolic language. The needle isn't moved on this one. more self-scoring nonsense. Your refusal to condemn someone for killing an innocent puppy speaks volumes about you as a person. You suck.
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Post by akbar on Apr 30, 2024 9:10:38 GMT -5
There is a SPECIFIC reason Noem wrote and left this "execution" in the book as well as the goat.
Or there is a specific reason she made it up and wrote it in the book.
Either way I'm not sure it's going the way she and her advisors planned.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 30, 2024 9:34:29 GMT -5
Why do you defend her killing of a puppy? What do you have against puppies? Do you use puppies as shooting targets for sport as well? Did I? Where? You entered this thread coming in and saying "you're obviously not from the country." Come on, man, get a grip.
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Post by oldnewbie on Apr 30, 2024 10:13:42 GMT -5
She would seem to fill the exact same role that Palin did for McCain, to bring a younger good looking woman to the ticket that has executive experience albeit with an unpopulated state that doesn't carry much weight and you were already going to win. Of course she is 9 years older than Palin was, and as old as McCain seemed, he was 6 years younger than Trump is now. Strangely, the age difference between Palin and McCain and Noem and Trump isn't too far off. That failed majorly with Palin, largely because it was sort of a knee-jerk selection where they hadn't done all their homework and she had a few issues and wasn't quite ready for the big stage. I get similar vibes from Noem but I don't think Trump will make the same mistake as McCain. There was no person that McCain could have picked as his VP that would have made a difference. A Republican winning in 2008 - under that environment - was an impossible task. At least Palin potentially brought in the type of Republicans that have flocked to Trump and that McCain had no connection to. Noem identifies with the exact same people that are already going to vote for Trump. Again, I don't think VPs make any difference - except possibly with Trump and what looks like a very close election. There are millions of Republicans and Republican leaning independents that will be holding their nose when voting for Trump. He needs to get a very large % of these voters - and having Noem as his VP choice will not help with a single one of these people. Someone like Tim Scott could help on the margins. VPs are usually chosen to shore up some area of need. Trump needs the suburban soccer mom, where he appears to be soft right now. McCain was bland and needed in infusion of charisma. Trump doesn't have that issue, so he can pick for some other reason. Is DeSantis in play to shore up Florida? Would he actually help? I don't think Trump has a chance without Florida, and you know Biden will be campaigning hard in Florida. In 2020 Florida voted as far right as it has since 1988, and it was still relatively close (3.36%). Does Florida continue right, or does it correct back to the mean, which would make it very, very close.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 30, 2024 10:23:37 GMT -5
There was no person that McCain could have picked as his VP that would have made a difference. A Republican winning in 2008 - under that environment - was an impossible task. At least Palin potentially brought in the type of Republicans that have flocked to Trump and that McCain had no connection to. Noem identifies with the exact same people that are already going to vote for Trump. Again, I don't think VPs make any difference - except possibly with Trump and what looks like a very close election. There are millions of Republicans and Republican leaning independents that will be holding their nose when voting for Trump. He needs to get a very large % of these voters - and having Noem as his VP choice will not help with a single one of these people. Someone like Tim Scott could help on the margins. VPs are usually chosen to shore up some area of need. Trump needs the suburban soccer mom, where he appears to be soft right now. McCain was bland and needed in infusion of charisma. Trump doesn't have that issue, so he can pick for some other reason. Is DeSantis in play to shore up Florida? Would he actually help? I don't think Trump has a chance without Florida, and you know Biden will be campaigning hard in Florida. In 2020 Florida voted as far right as it has since 1988, and it was still relatively close (3.36%). Does Florida continue right, or does it correct back to the mean, which would make it very, very close. The direction Florida is moving is under the sea.
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Post by bluepenquin on Apr 30, 2024 11:01:18 GMT -5
There was no person that McCain could have picked as his VP that would have made a difference. A Republican winning in 2008 - under that environment - was an impossible task. At least Palin potentially brought in the type of Republicans that have flocked to Trump and that McCain had no connection to. Noem identifies with the exact same people that are already going to vote for Trump. Again, I don't think VPs make any difference - except possibly with Trump and what looks like a very close election. There are millions of Republicans and Republican leaning independents that will be holding their nose when voting for Trump. He needs to get a very large % of these voters - and having Noem as his VP choice will not help with a single one of these people. Someone like Tim Scott could help on the margins. VPs are usually chosen to shore up some area of need. Trump needs the suburban soccer mom, where he appears to be soft right now. McCain was bland and needed in infusion of charisma. Trump doesn't have that issue, so he can pick for some other reason. Is DeSantis in play to shore up Florida? Would he actually help? I don't think Trump has a chance without Florida, and you know Biden will be campaigning hard in Florida. In 2020 Florida voted as far right as it has since 1988, and it was still relatively close (3.36%). Does Florida continue right, or does it correct back to the mean, which would make it very, very close. I think the Florida mean today is Republican. If Trump loses Florida, then he probably lost Georgia, Arizona, PA, Michigan, North Carolina, and Wisconsin Florida was about +3-4% Republican (when comparing to the Nation) in 2004 to 2016 and then jumped to +8% in 2020. Given the results of 2022 - I don't see Florida returning to those prior cycles. It will not be long before Texas becomes closer to being Democrat than Florida - because of the growth in their cities and suburban areas.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Apr 30, 2024 11:01:53 GMT -5
You entered this thread coming in and saying "you're obviously not from the country." Come on, man, get a grip. That’s not where I “entered” this thread. Check page one. Then re-check the context for where the “not from the country” statement is from and connected to.
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Post by jsquare on Apr 30, 2024 11:03:48 GMT -5
You entered this thread coming in and saying "you're obviously not from the country." Come on, man, get a grip. That’s not where I “entered” this thread. Check page one. Then re-check the context for where the “not from the country” statement is from and connected to. hey, there you go having to explain your posts once again.
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Post by bluepenquin on Apr 30, 2024 11:06:20 GMT -5
Looks like the betting markets have dropped Noem's odds for being the VP nominee. Doug Burgam has been getting some traction.
The top tier favorites for VP right now are:
1. Tim Scott 2. Tulsi Gabbard 3. E. Stefanik 4. J.D. Vance
Next tier is pretty long: Noem, Rubio, Haley, Sanders, Romasway, Pompeo, Carson, Burgam.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Apr 30, 2024 12:22:40 GMT -5
That’s not where I “entered” this thread. Check page one. Then re-check the context for where the “not from the country” statement is from and connected to. hey, there you go having to explain your posts once again. Candle got it wrong and I corrected them, same as I often do with you. Oh well.
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Post by jsquare on Apr 30, 2024 12:23:52 GMT -5
hey, there you go having to explain your posts once again. Candle got it wrong and I corrected them, same as I often do with you. Oh well. people getting your posts wrong is a pretty common occurrence.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Apr 30, 2024 12:27:46 GMT -5
Looks like the betting markets have dropped Noem's odds for being the VP nominee. Doug Burgam has been getting some traction. The top tier favorites for VP right now are: 1. Tim Scott 2. Tulsi Gabbard 3. E. Stefanik 4. J.D. Vance Next tier is pretty long: Noem, Rubio, Haley, Sanders, Romasway, Pompeo, Carson, Burgam. Ugh, I hope it’s not Tim Scott. I don’t think he brings anything to the ticket.
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Post by mervinswerved on Apr 30, 2024 12:29:13 GMT -5
Looks like the betting markets have dropped Noem's odds for being the VP nominee. Doug Burgam has been getting some traction. The top tier favorites for VP right now are: 1. Tim Scott 2. Tulsi Gabbard 3. E. Stefanik 4. J.D. Vance Next tier is pretty long: Noem, Rubio, Haley, Sanders, Romasway, Pompeo, Carson, Burgam. Ugh, I hope it’s not Tim Scott. I don’t think he brings anything to the ticket. Why does it matter to you? You said you aren't voting for Trump anyway.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Apr 30, 2024 12:29:46 GMT -5
Candle got it wrong and I corrected them, same as I often do with you. Oh well. people getting your posts wrong is a pretty common occurrence. Not my fault candle missed my first entry in this thread. Not their “fault” either. It happened, it was a mistake, I moved on.
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