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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Apr 30, 2024 14:08:23 GMT -5
I couldn't imagine Tulsi Gabbard was actually in play, but I looked at an oddsmaker's page and yep, there she is at +700. What does Tulsi add to the ticket? Kristi Noem appears to have fallen completely off the list. Oops, admitting to murdering a petting zoo (1 pup, 1 goat, 3 horses, and counting) is not a great Vice Presidential resume builder. Who knew! Gabbard would be interesting, but I just don't see it happening. Traditional conservates would hate it - they think she is liberal. MAGA would support her. The key, she would have a 'No Labels' vibe which could be very valuable with independents who are sick of the extremes on both sides (not saying she is a moderate, left, or right - but she was very recently a Democrat and not in the moderate group.) This could be very appealing and helpful to Trump. Hmm. I tend to doubt her hard-right turn over the past few years would offer much appeal to moderates. She's certainly not going to help Trump in her home state, where she is largely disliked and Trump will lose by 30 points regardless. She's also flat-out weird, FWIW. However, she does tick some boxes for Trump - female, person of color, military background, and young (relatively speaking). So, yeah, maybe?
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 30, 2024 14:11:50 GMT -5
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Post by bluepenquin on Apr 30, 2024 14:13:47 GMT -5
I disagree. He is the most likely person - and maybe the only person on this list - that would have acted just like Mike Pence on January 6th. He would be the adult in the room for any of this crap from Trump. This is probably a requirement to bring in any previous 'Never Trumpers'. For me - I am not voting for Trump. But having Scott as the VP would improve my tolerance for a Trump win. As in - I would rather Trump win than Biden. Make Kari Lake the VP nominee - then I might vote for Biden and I certainly wouldn't want Trump to win. You must not know Tim Scott if you think he won't simply be a complete lackey for Trump. And it's been clear for a while that you would prefer Trump to win, with or without Biden. Scott voted to certify the election. In the Republican debates, he has firmly stated that Mike Pence did the right thing. If you want to lump him with those that wouldn't have voted to certify the election and do not think Mike Pence did the right thing - then Jan 6th and the election denialism isn't really a unique thing. For me - this is a huge factor.
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 30, 2024 14:17:49 GMT -5
You must not know Tim Scott if you think he won't simply be a complete lackey for Trump. And it's been clear for a while that you would prefer Trump to win, with or without Biden. Scott voted to certify the election. In the Republican debates, he has firmly stated that Mike Pence did the right thing. If you want to lump him with those that wouldn't have voted to certify the election and do not think Mike Pence did the right thing - then Jan 6th and the election denialism isn't really a unique thing. For me - this is a huge factor. Trump isn't having someone join him on the ticket who is going to contradict his views or his policies, on the campaign or in an administration if that were to happen. You're delusional to think that's going to happen. Therefore, if Scott were to join Trump on the ticket, it's because he's sold his soul to the devil, like Rubio and Cruz.
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Post by bluepenquin on Apr 30, 2024 14:35:02 GMT -5
Gabbard would be interesting, but I just don't see it happening. Traditional conservates would hate it - they think she is liberal. MAGA would support her. The key, she would have a 'No Labels' vibe which could be very valuable with independents who are sick of the extremes on both sides (not saying she is a moderate, left, or right - but she was very recently a Democrat and not in the moderate group.) This could be very appealing and helpful to Trump. Hmm. I tend to doubt her hard-right turn over the past few years would offer much appeal to moderates. She's certainly not going to help Trump in her home state, where she is largely disliked and Trump will lose by 30 points regardless. She's also flat-out weird, FWIW. However, she does tick some boxes for Trump - female, person of color, military background, and young (relatively speaking). So, yeah, maybe? Home state means nothing in today's politics. Trump having a high profile VP candidate from Wisconsin or Pennsylvania wouldn't have any impact on him winning those states. There are a LOT of voters that do not follow politics all the time. Of the people that are undecided - close to 100% of them do not know Gabbard's hard-right turn in politics or even know who she is. But she will be known by election day as former Democratic congresswomen from Hawaii. That is going to sound very No Labels to those people and could help.
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Post by bluepenquin on Apr 30, 2024 14:38:29 GMT -5
Scott voted to certify the election. In the Republican debates, he has firmly stated that Mike Pence did the right thing. If you want to lump him with those that wouldn't have voted to certify the election and do not think Mike Pence did the right thing - then Jan 6th and the election denialism isn't really a unique thing. For me - this is a huge factor. Trump isn't having someone join him on the ticket who is going to contradict his views or his policies, on the campaign or in an administration if that were to happen. You're delusional to think that's going to happen. Therefore, if Scott were to join Trump on the ticket, it's because he's sold his soul to the devil, like Rubio and Cruz. Policy - yes. And is going to be 100% supportive, that is a requirement for any VP to be chosen and it would accurately describe Pence as VP. But, we know that even though Pence was 100% behind Trump, he certified the election. It would appear that Scott would also have done this. For me - this is a big deal.
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 30, 2024 14:40:26 GMT -5
Trump isn't having someone join him on the ticket who is going to contradict his views or his policies, on the campaign or in an administration if that were to happen. You're delusional to think that's going to happen. Therefore, if Scott were to join Trump on the ticket, it's because he's sold his soul to the devil, like Rubio and Cruz. Policy - yes. And is going to be 100% supportive, that is a requirement for any VP to be chosen and it would accurately describe Pence as VP. But, we know that even though Pence was 100% behind Trump, he certified the election. It would appear that Scott would also have done this. For me - this is a big deal. It’s not a big deal, it’s part of your on-going rationalization and self-delusion about your support for Trump.
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Post by vbnerd on Apr 30, 2024 14:46:58 GMT -5
Yes, it's tough for a female politician to prove she is not afraid to get her hands dirty. Ronald Reagan on horseback, George W. Bush chopping wood, Barak Obama shooting hoops... Kamala Harris likes to raise her voice to sound authoritative, and then laugh at inappropriate times when it makes people uncomfortable. It's tough for a female politician. Biden's dog likes to chew on Secret Service Agents without repercussion... I think this was Noem trying to say she's tough, not like Biden - that she's a real rancher and is equal for unpleasant and unpopular tasks like sharing a limo with Trump, or something like that. Despite Jsquare's insistance, she did not shoot a puppy for fun or sport or whatever. And despite her intentions of appearing tough, it just made her seem out of touch with mainstream America. Shoot a horse? Ok, we all watched Kevin Costner do that in the premier of Yellowstone. Shooting a bird dog who you didn't train well? But then if shooting a dog eliminates you from being Vice President, how anyone could support these two clowns to run for president is beyond me. No one with an ounce of feelings shoots a 14 month old puppy just for the sport of it and then write about it. Your last sentence makes zero sense. It was not for sport. It was wrong on a bunch of levels, but it wasn't for sport.
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Post by jsquare on Apr 30, 2024 14:56:43 GMT -5
No one with an ounce of feelings shoots a 14 month old puppy just for the sport of it and then write about it. Your last sentence makes zero sense. It was not for sport. It was wrong on a bunch of levels, but it wasn't for sport. How do you know? She bragged about it in HER book.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Apr 30, 2024 14:58:04 GMT -5
Policy - yes. And is going to be 100% supportive, that is a requirement for any VP to be chosen and it would accurately describe Pence as VP. But, we know that even though Pence was 100% behind Trump, he certified the election. It would appear that Scott would also have done this. For me - this is a big deal. It’s not a big deal, it’s part of your on-going rationalization and self-delusion about your support for Trump. Blue is never been a Donald Trump fan and you know that. Stop the drinking and pay attention.
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Post by bluepenquin on Apr 30, 2024 15:12:30 GMT -5
Policy - yes. And is going to be 100% supportive, that is a requirement for any VP to be chosen and it would accurately describe Pence as VP. But, we know that even though Pence was 100% behind Trump, he certified the election. It would appear that Scott would also have done this. For me - this is a big deal. It’s not a big deal, it’s part of your on-going rationalization and self-delusion about your support for Trump. So, Pence bucking Trump and certifying the election is not a big deal. I guess 1/6 means more to me than you?
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Post by bobinmd on Apr 30, 2024 15:36:02 GMT -5
It’s not a big deal, it’s part of your on-going rationalization and self-delusion about your support for Trump. Blue is never been a Donald Trump fan and you know that. Stop the drinking and pay attention. “Stop the drinking and pay attention.” A Holidumb super irony alert.😂 ✝️
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 30, 2024 17:19:22 GMT -5
It’s not a big deal, it’s part of your on-going rationalization and self-delusion about your support for Trump. So, Pence bucking Trump and certifying the election is not a big deal. I guess 1/6 means more to me than you? You’re not following. I’m saying that Tim Scott is not going to behave like Mike Pence did at or around January 6th. Scott, if he were to become VP, is going to behave like Mike Pence did every single day until the election. The fact that you believe otherwise is simply a rationalization of your (now) support for Trump. But, I don’t believe Trump will pick Scott—he’s simply window dressing for the black vote right now. I don’t believe Trump will pick anyone who has expressed opposition or made negative statements about him in the past. He’s learned that particular lesson).
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Post by HOLIDAY on Apr 30, 2024 17:47:17 GMT -5
Looks like the betting markets have dropped Noem's odds for being the VP nominee. Doug Burgam has been getting some traction. The top tier favorites for VP right now are: 1. Tim Scott 2. Tulsi Gabbard 3. E. Stefanik 4. J.D. Vance Next tier is pretty long: Noem, Rubio, Haley, Sanders, Romasway, Pompeo, Carson, Burgam. Ugh, I hope it’s not Tim Scott. I don’t think he brings anything to the ticket. I have a hunch it’s going to be Nikki Haley. Donald Trump wants to win really bad and he knows that would bring him those extra votes.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Apr 30, 2024 17:52:51 GMT -5
I want to talk about the dog thing for a moment. Sadly this is not terribly unusual in farm or hunting circles. Especially when a dog attacks livestock, the ranchers mentality is that once dogs get a taste of that they will never be able to stop. I’m not excusing it and I think it’s god awful what she did but that is not unusual . If the dog shows aggressive behavior towards human beings that’s even more of a black mark. Most of us dog lovers think that if this is the case give the dog to someone who doesn’t have those Temptations or train it better.
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