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Post by volleyguy on Apr 30, 2024 17:54:25 GMT -5
I want to talk about the dog thing for a moment. Sadly this is not terribly unusual in farm or hunting circles. Especially when a dog attacks livestock, the ranchers mentality is that once dogs get a taste of that they will never be able to stop. I’m not excusing it and I think it’s god awful what she did but that is not unusual . If the dog shows aggressive behavior towards human beings that’s even more of a black mark. Most of us dog lovers think that if this is the case give the dog to someone who doesn’t have those Temptations or train it better. Blah Blah
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Apr 30, 2024 18:52:46 GMT -5
I think her premise was that she's able to "make the tough decisions". She should have made the smart decision and not share that story. Yes, it's tough for a female politician to prove she is not afraid to get her hands dirty. Ronald Reagan on horseback, George W. Bush chopping wood, Barak Obama shooting hoops... Kamala Harris likes to raise her voice to sound authoritative, and then laugh at inappropriate times when it makes people uncomfortable. It's tough for a female politician. Biden's dog likes to chew on Secret Service Agents without repercussion... I think this was Noem trying to say she's tough, not like Biden - that she's a real rancher and is equal for unpleasant and unpopular tasks like sharing a limo with Trump, or something like that. Despite Jsquare's insistance, she did not shoot a puppy for fun or sport or whatever. And despite her intentions of appearing tough, it just made her seem out of touch with mainstream America. Shoot a horse? Ok, we all watched Kevin Costner do that in the premier of Yellowstone. Shooting a bird dog who you didn't train well? But then if shooting a dog eliminates you from being Vice President, how anyone could support these two clowns to run for president is beyond me. I agree on many fronts. Female politicians face a different scrutiny than their male counterparts. I would be surprised if Commander still draws breath. I would also be surprised if Noem is tapped on the shoulder to be the VP (if she was ever seriously considered).
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Apr 30, 2024 18:58:52 GMT -5
Ugh, I hope it’s not Tim Scott. I don’t think he brings anything to the ticket. I disagree. He is the most likely person - and maybe the only person on this list - that would have acted just like Mike Pence on January 6th. He would be the adult in the room for any of this crap from Trump. This is probably a requirement to bring in any previous 'Never Trumpers'. For me - I am not voting for Trump. But having Scott as the VP would improve my tolerance for a Trump win. As in - I would rather Trump win than Biden. Make Kari Lake the VP nominee - then I might vote for Biden and I certainly wouldn't want Trump to win. My biggest problem with Scott is that it's hard for me not to think that he inclusion on the ticket is a way to try and pry the Democratic stranglehold on the African American voting block. Scott, imo, has no chance of achieving that and it shows how unwilling Republicans are to do the work to connect to that voting block in any meaningful way.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Apr 30, 2024 19:01:13 GMT -5
Ugh, I hope it’s not Tim Scott. I don’t think he brings anything to the ticket. I have a hunch it’s going to be Nikki Haley. Donald Trump wants to win really bad and he knows that would bring him those extra votes. I think Trump is too proud to ask someone on the ticket that he perceives as "disloyal".
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Post by jsquare on Apr 30, 2024 19:19:27 GMT -5
Yes, it's tough for a female politician to prove she is not afraid to get her hands dirty. Ronald Reagan on horseback, George W. Bush chopping wood, Barak Obama shooting hoops... Kamala Harris likes to raise her voice to sound authoritative, and then laugh at inappropriate times when it makes people uncomfortable. It's tough for a female politician. Biden's dog likes to chew on Secret Service Agents without repercussion... I think this was Noem trying to say she's tough, not like Biden - that she's a real rancher and is equal for unpleasant and unpopular tasks like sharing a limo with Trump, or something like that. Despite Jsquare's insistance, she did not shoot a puppy for fun or sport or whatever. And despite her intentions of appearing tough, it just made her seem out of touch with mainstream America. Shoot a horse? Ok, we all watched Kevin Costner do that in the premier of Yellowstone. Shooting a bird dog who you didn't train well? But then if shooting a dog eliminates you from being Vice President, how anyone could support these two clowns to run for president is beyond me. I agree on many fronts. Female politicians face a different scrutiny than their male counterparts. I would be surprised if Commander still draws breath.I would also be surprised if Noem is tapped on the shoulder to be the VP (if she was ever seriously considered). Why would you say that? What proof do you have?
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Apr 30, 2024 21:26:59 GMT -5
I agree on many fronts. Female politicians face a different scrutiny than their male counterparts. I would be surprised if Commander still draws breath.I would also be surprised if Noem is tapped on the shoulder to be the VP (if she was ever seriously considered). Why would you say that? What proof do you have? I don't have proof, it's pure speculation on my part. I say that because Commander bit people, supposedly, on at least 24 different occasions. When it comes to biting, the court can order a repeat offender put down. Maybe it's just a UK/Canada thing but again, I'd be surprised. www.bestbehaviourdogtraining.co.uk/blog-post/dog-biting-a-person/One can also speculate on what kind of dysfunction was going on in the White House to cause a dog to be that anxious.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 30, 2024 21:37:10 GMT -5
One can also speculate on what kind of dysfunction was going on in the White House to cause a dog to be that anxious. A large number of White House dogs have had a history of biting people. It's apparently a stressful situation for some dogs. Not all dogs can handle a situation like that where so many people are in their home. Teddy Roosevelt had a dog that bit people. Franklin Roosevelt had a dog that bit people. GWB had a dog that bit someone. Obama had a dog that was known to push people around, although I haven't seen anything that said it bit people. Biden has had two dogs in the White House that bit people.
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Post by bluepenquin on Apr 30, 2024 22:31:01 GMT -5
So, Pence bucking Trump and certifying the election is not a big deal. I guess 1/6 means more to me than you? You’re not following. I’m saying that Tim Scott is not going to behave like Mike Pence did at or around January 6th. Scott, if he were to become VP, is going to behave like Mike Pence did every single day until the election. The fact that you believe otherwise is simply a rationalization of your (now) support for Trump. But, I don’t believe Trump will pick Scott—he’s simply window dressing for the black vote right now. I don’t believe Trump will pick anyone who has expressed opposition or made negative statements about him in the past. He’s learned that particular lesson). Mike Pence was great as VP. I think it is likely that Scott would be just as good. Scott acted the same as Pence on 1/6 - in terms of certifying the election and disagreeing with Trump. His words have continued to be at odds with what Trump did or thought after the election. Now - you can go with the idea that he wouldn't do this again, but I will go with the idea that what people have done and what they have said in the past is a better predictor of future behavior than your notion that Scott would be more likely to flip?
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Post by bluepenquin on Apr 30, 2024 22:34:34 GMT -5
I disagree. He is the most likely person - and maybe the only person on this list - that would have acted just like Mike Pence on January 6th. He would be the adult in the room for any of this crap from Trump. This is probably a requirement to bring in any previous 'Never Trumpers'. For me - I am not voting for Trump. But having Scott as the VP would improve my tolerance for a Trump win. As in - I would rather Trump win than Biden. Make Kari Lake the VP nominee - then I might vote for Biden and I certainly wouldn't want Trump to win. My biggest problem with Scott is that it's hard for me not to think that he inclusion on the ticket is a way to try and pry the Democratic stranglehold on the African American voting block. Scott, imo, has no chance of achieving that and it shows how unwilling Republicans are to do the work to connect to that voting block in any meaningful way. I didn't think that would be the reason for Scott - but I guess given his race that could be an assumption in play. Prying Democrats (whether black or white) isn't going to work. It is getting Republican leaning Independents and Republicans that cannot stand Trump to vote for Trump.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Apr 30, 2024 22:39:57 GMT -5
My biggest problem with Scott is that it's hard for me not to think that he inclusion on the ticket is a way to try and pry the Democratic stranglehold on the African American voting block. Scott, imo, has no chance of achieving that and it shows how unwilling Republicans are to do the work to connect to that voting block in any meaningful way. I didn't think that would be the reason for Scott - but I guess given his race that could be an assumption in play. Prying Democrats (whether black or white) isn't going to work. It is getting Republican leaning Independents and Republicans that cannot stand Trump to vote for Trump. I agree with what you're saying but... I'm not convinced Scott is the man for that job. (Not sure anyone is the one for that job) Nothing about him speaks "Come follow me!" to me.
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 30, 2024 22:41:35 GMT -5
You’re not following. I’m saying that Tim Scott is not going to behave like Mike Pence did at or around January 6th. Scott, if he were to become VP, is going to behave like Mike Pence did every single day until the election. The fact that you believe otherwise is simply a rationalization of your (now) support for Trump. But, I don’t believe Trump will pick Scott—he’s simply window dressing for the black vote right now. I don’t believe Trump will pick anyone who has expressed opposition or made negative statements about him in the past. He’s learned that particular lesson). Mike Pence was great as VP. I think it is likely that Scott would be just as good. Scott acted the same as Pence on 1/6 - in terms of certifying the election and disagreeing with Trump. His words have continued to be at odds with what Trump did or thought after the election. Now - you can go with the idea that he wouldn't do this again, but I will go with the idea that what people have done and what they have said in the past is a better predictor of future behavior than your notion that Scott would be more likely to flip? Why in the world do you think Trump would pick Pence 2.0? The fact that you’re actually contemplating that as a possibility is evidence to me of your rationalization and delusion. You’re going to support Trump in the upcoming election, that’s become obvious in the last few months. His VP choice isn’t going to change that, and I think you know that.
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Post by jsquare on Apr 30, 2024 23:15:40 GMT -5
Why would you say that? What proof do you have? I don't have proof, it's pure speculation on my part. I say that because Commander bit people, supposedly, on at least 24 different occasions. When it comes to biting, the court can order a repeat offender put down. Maybe it's just a UK/Canada thing but again, I'd be surprised. www.bestbehaviourdogtraining.co.uk/blog-post/dog-biting-a-person/One can also speculate on what kind of dysfunction was going on in the White House to cause a dog to be that anxious. You just spent two days arguing one can’t speculate about the marriage between Donald and Melania but, apparently you can speculate out your ass about a dog being dead. Why is that?
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on May 1, 2024 7:20:46 GMT -5
I don't have proof, it's pure speculation on my part. I say that because Commander bit people, supposedly, on at least 24 different occasions. When it comes to biting, the court can order a repeat offender put down. Maybe it's just a UK/Canada thing but again, I'd be surprised. www.bestbehaviourdogtraining.co.uk/blog-post/dog-biting-a-person/One can also speculate on what kind of dysfunction was going on in the White House to cause a dog to be that anxious. You just spent two days arguing one can’t speculate about the marriage between Donald and Melania but, apparently you can speculate out your ass about a dog being dead. Why is that? One has more WAY more circumstantial evidence than the other. You have no evidence about how Melania felt about Donald when they dating, or when they got married (marrying for love vs money), while we KNOW this dog bit people at least 24 different times. See the difference? If you don't, blame your TDS. What's more; I can honestly say that my statement was speculation while you can't honestly admit your misogynistic, hate fueled comments about Melania are driven by your dislike of Trump. Again, your TDS at work.
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Post by jsquare on May 1, 2024 7:23:47 GMT -5
You just spent two days arguing one can’t speculate about the marriage between Donald and Melania but, apparently you can speculate out your ass about a dog being dead. Why is that? One has more WAY more circumstantial evidence than the other. You have no evidence about how Melania felt about Donald when they dating, or when they got married (marrying for love vs money), while we KNOW this dog bit people at least 24 different times. See the difference? If you don't, blame your TDS. What's more; I can honestly say that my statement was speculation while you can't honestly admit your misogynistic, hate fueled comments about Melania are driven by your dislike of Trump. Again, your TDS at work. You just talk out your ass over and over and over.
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Post by jsquare on May 1, 2024 7:27:36 GMT -5
You just spent two days arguing one can’t speculate about the marriage between Donald and Melania but, apparently you can speculate out your ass about a dog being dead. Why is that? One has more WAY more circumstantial evidence than the other. You have no evidence about how Melania felt about Donald when they dating, or when they got married (marrying for love vs money), while we KNOW this dog bit people at least 24 different times.
See the difference? If you don't, blame your TDS. What's more; I can honestly say that my statement was speculation while you can't honestly admit your misogynistic, hate fueled comments about Melania are driven by your dislike of Trump. Again, your TDS at work. Commander, then a puppy, joined the Bidens at the White House later that year. But in the latter part of 2022, Secret Service agents raised concerns about his aggressive behavior. The dog bit several agents a total of 10 times as of January according to emails obtained in a lawsuit filed by conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch.
Oh look, talking out your ass without knowing the facts again.
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