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Post by BeachbytheBay on Apr 29, 2024 11:58:54 GMT -5
How do some setters who don’t average top 20 assists per set in the nation make a list? Wouldn't that be THE criteria for a setter? It just seems like such a politics game, just because they play at a big school they get it. Someone make it make sense for me AAs to the victors go the spoils. hopefully that makes sense |
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Post by lesunshine1 on Apr 29, 2024 11:59:56 GMT -5
I’m quite surprised with Clay Wieter being left off the list, I would have thought he would have made a team over AJ Lewis. Other selections i believe Yadiel Diaz should have made a team. He is the best statistical passer in the nation.
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Post by strikestwice on Apr 29, 2024 12:01:41 GMT -5
How do some setters who don’t average top 20 assists per set in the nation make a list? Wouldn't that be THE criteria for a setter? It just seems like such a politics game, just because they play at a big school they get it. Someone make it make sense for me Assists per set typically isn't the only thing factored in. A lot of times they take into consideration teams Kills per set, team hitting percentage. |
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Post by settersofcatan on Apr 29, 2024 12:07:43 GMT -5
How do some setters who don’t average top 20 assists per set in the nation make a list? Wouldn't that be THE criteria for a setter? It just seems like such a politics game, just because they play at a big school they get it. Someone make it make sense for me AAs to the victors go the spoils. hopefully that makes sense I agree with that up to a certain point. Just because someone can set a high ball to the Jacob Pasteur’s, Mr. T’s, Parker Van Burens of the volleyball world means they deserve it? |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Apr 29, 2024 12:10:09 GMT -5
AAs to the victors go the spoils. hopefully that makes sense I agree with that up to a certain point. Just because someone can set a high ball to the Jacob Pasteur’s, Mr. T’s, Parker Van Burens of the volleyball world means they deserve it? Clint Eastwood in Unforgiven: "Deserve's got nothing to do with it" |
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Post by settersofcatan on Apr 29, 2024 12:13:52 GMT -5
I’m quite surprised with Clay Wieter being left off the list, I would have thought he would have made a team over AJ Lewis. Other selections i believe Yadiel Diaz should have made a team. He is the best statistical passer in the nation. I also agree^^ Clay Wieter had a more consistent year and was more of a threat all year. But AJ Lewis is THE name from Lindenwood because of his social media influence. Also how is the best statistical passer in the nation not on any list? |
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Post by settersofcatan on Apr 29, 2024 12:16:23 GMT -5
I agree with that up to a certain point. Just because someone can set a high ball to the Jacob Pasteur’s, Mr. T’s, Parker Van Burens of the volleyball world means they deserve it? Clint Eastwood in Unforgiven: "Deserve's got nothing to do with it" BeachbytheBay, idk what you’re getting at, but I bet you could do just as much for the ball state, loyola, and Ohio state offense as their setters do. |
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Post by settersofcatan on Apr 29, 2024 12:18:23 GMT -5
In my opinion Sheehan from the MIVA really deserves it. Put majority setters on that lindenwood team and they don’t do as good. Put any setter on some of these big name schools and ANYBODY can do what they do
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Post by cosmo on Apr 29, 2024 13:16:12 GMT -5
Don’t get me wrong, I think Bianchi is impressive, but from what I’ve seen, AVCA tends to consider team performance when it comes time for individual awards. People made the same argument when Jasper didn’t get 1st team, but that’s bc Pepperdine sucked that year If that is the case, I would expect maybe one more player for Hawai'i being in the 1st or 2nd second given they were consistently ranked in the top 5. I know Rosenthal and Todd are HMs. In fairness, Hawaii did have a pretty clear cut First Team player for a little over half their season. Spyros just didn't qualify for the list cause of games played. But that "one more player" is probably him. |
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Post by nodigitygotbounce on Apr 29, 2024 13:26:35 GMT -5
As a MIVA supporter, unfortunately one of the best setters in the nation was left off the list, Tyler Poulsen. MIVA screwed him, by not giving him 1st team MIVA due to injury in the last (3) games is my guess. He played all conference without his OH1 and (3) different Opposites. McKendree was in 3rd place when the injury occured and the team was playing great. They would have probably maintained 3rd place with him in and changed the outcome of the MIVA tournament IMO.
Dan Mangun was probably in the same situation. Injured at the beginning of the year and then finally put back in the lineup during MIVA play and turned that team around.
(3) setters from the MIVA get HM All American and Poulsen and Mangun left off? I guarantee if you asked all of the MIVA coaches who was the best setter and most important to their team, Poulsen would have been the answer. Voters are not going to go stream McKendree matches and see who is this Poulsen kid. Top 5 in assists per set during the last (2) regular seasons with such a young team and all of the injuries the past 2 years. His decision making, ball control, vision, is as good as anyone in the country. He should be part of USA Volleyball.
Men's Volleyball has been West Coast Biased or MPSF and now Big West for years. Lots of parity now and maybe one day we will get a (16) team touranment similar to Men's Hockey. Looking at the last rankings it would have been a fun tournament. That is a whole nother post / category!
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Apr 29, 2024 13:43:18 GMT -5
As a MIVA supporter, unfortuantley one of the best setters in the nation was left of the list, Tyler Poulsen. MIVA screwed him, by not giving him 1st team MIVA due to injury in the last (3) games is my guess. He played all conference without his OH1 and (3) different Opposites. McKendree was in 3rd place when the injury occured and the team was playing great. They probably maintain 3rd place with him in and changes the outcome of the MIVA tournament IMO. Dan Mangun was probably in the same situation. Injured at the beginning of the year and then finally put back in the lineup during MIVA play and turned that team around. (3) setters from the MIVA get HM All American and Poulsen and Mangun left off? I guarantee if you asked all of the MIVA coaches who was the best setter and most important to their team, Poulsen would have been the answer. Voters are not going to go stream McKendree matches and see who is this Poulsen kid. Top 5 in assists per set during the last (2) regular seasons with such a young team and all of the injuries the past 2 years. His decision making, ball control, vision, is as good as anyone in the country. He should be part of USA Volleyball. Men's Volleyball has been West Coast Biased or MPSF and now Big West for years. Lots of parity now and maybe one day we will get a (16) team touranment similar to Men's Hockey. Looking at the last rankings it would have been a fun tournament. That is a whole nother post / category! please provide source of bias? was it biased from 2014-2017 when the MIVA won championships? when the MIVA & EIVA combined have 7 to 8 of the top 10 teams regularly, then I think you'd see so called 'bias' go away. Penn State beat one top 10 team, . Ohio State. Ohio State beat one top ten team. I'm struggling to find where teh bias is only 4 coaches (out of 13) are from west of the ROckies on the committee, so are those coaches east of the rockies also biased to the west coach teams, that would be odd that they would have bias. how is biased being introducted? recency bias? familarity bias? (with only 4 out of 13 coaches), any other type of bias maybe ask those 9 coaches why they are biased towards the western teams perhaps? and I think Ohio State has a legit shot to make the finals and win the NC, but maybe I'm biased |
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Post by nodigitygotbounce on Apr 29, 2024 14:27:59 GMT -5
As a MIVA supporter, unfortuantley one of the best setters in the nation was left of the list, Tyler Poulsen. MIVA screwed him, by not giving him 1st team MIVA due to injury in the last (3) games is my guess. He played all conference without his OH1 and (3) different Opposites. McKendree was in 3rd place when the injury occured and the team was playing great. They probably maintain 3rd place with him in and changes the outcome of the MIVA tournament IMO. Dan Mangun was probably in the same situation. Injured at the beginning of the year and then finally put back in the lineup during MIVA play and turned that team around. (3) setters from the MIVA get HM All American and Poulsen and Mangun left off? I guarantee if you asked all of the MIVA coaches who was the best setter and most important to their team, Poulsen would have been the answer. Voters are not going to go stream McKendree matches and see who is this Poulsen kid. Top 5 in assists per set during the last (2) regular seasons with such a young team and all of the injuries the past 2 years. His decision making, ball control, vision, is as good as anyone in the country. He should be part of USA Volleyball. Men's Volleyball has been West Coast Biased or MPSF and now Big West for years. Lots of parity now and maybe one day we will get a (16) team touranment similar to Men's Hockey. Looking at the last rankings it would have been a fun tournament. That is a whole nother post / category! please provide source of bias? was it biased from 2014-2017 when the MIVA won championships? when the MIVA & EIVA combined have 7 to 8 of the top 10 teams regularly, then I think you'd see so called 'bias' go away. Penn State beat one top 10 team, . Ohio State. Ohio State beat one top ten team. I'm struggling to find where teh bias is only 4 coaches (out of 13) are from west of the ROckies on the committee, so are those coaches east of the rockies also biased to the west coach teams, that would be odd that they would have bias. how is biased being introducted? recency bias? familarity bias? (with only 4 out of 13 coaches), any other type of bias maybe ask those 9 coaches why they are biased towards the western teams perhaps? and I think Ohio State has a legit shot to make the finals and win the NC, but maybe I'm biased You made your own point. I agree Ohio St. can get there and IMO the MIVA was the 2nd best conference this year. How is the MIVA suppossed to get top 10 wins in conference when Ball St. or Ohio St. couldn't get passed #9 each week. How about you do a study on week by week from week 9 to current on how the top 10 changed. Stanford, Pepperdine, and BYU conitnually in the top 10 each week, why? Pepperdine lost to NAIA school (yes they are good) and fell one spot. USC and CSUN with losing records and still ranked. This is not mens vollebyball back in the 90s where the MPSF last place team was ranked in the top #15. It has to stop. Look st George Mason ranked behind teams with losing records. UCSB ranked pretty much all year and their final record 9-18 overall and were ranked at 7-14. Really? West Coast schools have the freeway series and advantage of playing everyone ranked in the top #15. Voters don't move them. Penn St. and Ohio St. have the budget to travel wherever they want. |
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Post by nodigitygotbounce on Apr 29, 2024 15:00:19 GMT -5
In my opinion Sheehan from the MIVA really deserves it. Put majority setters on that lindenwood team and they don’t do as good. Put any setter on some of these big name schools and ANYBODY can do what they do Agree with Sheehan, but voters are not supposed to take in consideration the Conference Tournamet games. The MIVA plays a week before the other tournaments start so you know it factored in. He doesn't make it if Lindenwood doesn't get to the championship game of the MIVA tournament. He led the NCAA in assists so well deserved. Is it based on stats though? Clearly not as some of the setters don't have great stats, but their teams won. Looking at setters with your Sheehan post here are the rankings of the AA setters ranked on assists per set. Stats are from NCAA.org. Assists per set Connor Sheehan 11.14 Brett Sheward 10.58 Nicholas Slight 10.50 Aiden Knight 10.23 Kohl Kutsch 10.21 Andrew Rowan 10.19 Tread Rosenthal 10.08 Donovan Constable 9.88 Ryan Parker 9.55 Lucas Machado 9.44 Michael Wright 8.13 Now let's add in digs / set for these setters as that affects their assists / set ratio IMO. I want a setter who can play defense on top of distributing the ball. Digs per set Connor Sheehan NR Andrew Rowan NR Donovan Constable NR Michael Wright NR Kohl Kutsch 1.90 Nicholas Slight 1.78 Brett Sheward 1.76 Lucas Machado 1.63 Aiden Knight 1.52 Tread Rosenthal 1.50 Ryan Parker 1.50 Per my previous post Tyler Poulsen was the best setter in the MIVA this year. His #'s 10.28 assists / set and 1.91 digs per set in the MIVA before his injury. Awards are based on team success as well which can also be misleading. You look at Michael Wright's #'s aren't great, but he split time. If Ohio St. isn't winning he isn't getting any awards. |
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Post by lesunshine1 on Apr 29, 2024 15:27:17 GMT -5
How do some setters who don’t average top 20 assists per set in the nation make a list? Wouldn't that be THE criteria for a setter? It just seems like such a politics game, just because they play at a big school they get it. Someone make it make sense for me Makes no sense, this is quite off topic but for the MIVA there wasn’t a single setter on the 1st team list. HOW DO YOU HAVE A TEAM WITHOUT A SETTER? The system is broken. They only give players at the UCLAs and Hawaiis notoriety when other conferences like the EIVA and MIVA have just as many if not better players. |
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Post by lesunshine1 on Apr 29, 2024 15:35:58 GMT -5
As a MIVA supporter, unfortunately one of the best setters in the nation was left off the list, Tyler Poulsen. MIVA screwed him, by not giving him 1st team MIVA due to injury in the last (3) games is my guess. He played all conference without his OH1 and (3) different Opposites. McKendree was in 3rd place when the injury occured and the team was playing great. They would have probably maintained 3rd place with him in and changed the outcome of the MIVA tournament IMO. Dan Mangun was probably in the same situation. Injured at the beginning of the year and then finally put back in the lineup during MIVA play and turned that team around. (3) setters from the MIVA get HM All American and Poulsen and Mangun left off? I guarantee if you asked all of the MIVA coaches who was the best setter and most important to their team, Poulsen would have been the answer. Voters are not going to go stream McKendree matches and see who is this Poulsen kid. Top 5 in assists per set during the last (2) regular seasons with such a young team and all of the injuries the past 2 years. His decision making, ball control, vision, is as good as anyone in the country. He should be part of USA Volleyball. Men's Volleyball has been West Coast Biased or MPSF and now Big West for years. Lots of parity now and maybe one day we will get a (16) team touranment similar to Men's Hockey. Looking at the last rankings it would have been a fun tournament. That is a whole nother post / category! 1000% agree. Poulsen was true leader on the court and i believe if he did not get hurt towards the later end of the season they would have made a deep run in the playoffs. That Mckendree team was slept on the entire year. They suffered so many injuries to countless starters. Losing 2 setters. 2 Rightsides. Turned a true freshmen setter to rightside, Outsides who kept rotating around the entire year due to injuries. Watch next year for them to be a darkhorse coming out of the MIVA. |
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