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Post by Reach on Jun 12, 2024 14:33:07 GMT -5
The week 1/2 Poulter experiment might come to bite USA in the but come Paris. We should have qualified for the VNL finals by now.
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Post by Disc808 on Jun 12, 2024 14:34:37 GMT -5
The week 1/2 Poulter experiment might come to bite USA in the but come Paris. We should have qualified for the VNL finals by now. Eh, if they can’t win enough games this week then I’d be worried about their Paris chances anyways lol
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Post by jwvolley on Jun 12, 2024 14:40:46 GMT -5
The week 1/2 Poulter experiment might come to bite USA in the but come Paris. We should have qualified for the VNL finals by now. Everyone needs to calm down lol. We don’t even know that there’s any long term issue going on. For all we know, Poulter is still the starter, in which case we wouldn’t regret getting her reps. Carlini did play against the weakest team on the week’s schedule. Let’s see how things unfold the next few matches with the lineup.
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Post by uofaGRAD on Jun 12, 2024 14:41:15 GMT -5
oh this match is at 10? I can do that. just be a little extra tired for work tomorrow
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Post by ramo2653 on Jun 12, 2024 17:35:46 GMT -5
I understand Karch's loyalty to Poulter, between the last cycle and the fact that she's just physically bigger than the other 2 setters if she's ready to go, she's going to be their best chance.
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Post by udubhuskiefan on Jun 12, 2024 18:06:41 GMT -5
I understand Karch's loyalty to Poulter, between the last cycle and the fact that she's just physically bigger than the other 2 setters if she's ready to go, she's going to be their best chance. Bigger isn’t better. Carlini is by FAR the better blocker. Poulter’s weakness is her blocking
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Post by Reach on Jun 12, 2024 18:12:44 GMT -5
... and defense and movement and the ability to do anything but spam the left side. She's got a long way to go before she's anywhere close to what she once was.
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Post by trollhunter on Jun 12, 2024 18:21:41 GMT -5
Is this a must-win game for USA to make top 8 (7 cuz of Thailand)? I dunno all the tiebreaks and such - calling trojansc
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Post by avid 2.0 on Jun 12, 2024 18:27:19 GMT -5
Is this a must-win game for USA to make top 8 (7 cuz of Thailand)? I dunno all the tiebreaks and such - calling trojansc yes
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Post by midnightblue on Jun 12, 2024 18:41:57 GMT -5
I understand Karch's loyalty to Poulter, between the last cycle and the fact that she's just physically bigger than the other 2 setters if she's ready to go, she's going to be their best chance. I'm not quite sure how we're still on the 'Poulter is our best chance' narrative but I guess we are.
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Post by trojansc on Jun 12, 2024 18:47:36 GMT -5
Is this a must-win game for USA to make top 8 (7 cuz of Thailand)? I dunno all the tiebreaks and such - calling trojanscTo me, 8 wins is when you punch your ticket for sure, and 7-5 will probably be good enough for 1 or 2 teams, 6-6 is not going to cut it this year. Then we go into tiebreaks. There is a very specific scenario where an 8-4 team gets left out, but, I don't think that's going to happen here. So, assuming that: Poland and Brazil = qualified Italy and Japan = qualified once they beat Serbia (a weaker Serbian team) Turkey = qualified once they beat Dominicana (sans Gaila/Brenda) (Italy, Japan, and Turkey can get to 8 wins with other teams too, but the above ^ matches are what make them look like locks) That would leave only 2 spots left. China is at 6-3 (18 pts). They have Germany, Poland, and Turkey remaining. 2-1 gets them in, 1-2... it depends. USA is 5-4 (16 pts) Netherlands, Italy, Japan remaining. CAN and NED are both 5-4 with 15 points. Netherlands has USA/CAN/KOR and Canada has JPN/NED/FRA remaining. If USA goes 7-5, they could still only need to better than two of CHN/CAN/NED in order to make it. It's unorthodox, but if USA lost to Netherlands (espec if in 5) but beats Italy/Japan, they could easily win a tie-breaker with a 7-5 China team OR even a 7-5 CAN/NED team. If Netherlands beats USA though tonight, USA would have to win out AND have one of the two happen: 1) China falls to 7-5 and loses tie-breaker with USA OR 2) Netherlands loses to Canada AND Japan beats Canada *not entertaining scenarios that include France beating Canada or Korea beating the Dutch
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Post by trojansc on Jun 12, 2024 18:56:55 GMT -5
TLDR: Tonight is a must-win for USA if you don't think USA will beat both Italy/Japan. The scenarios required to send USA through with a loss to NED but wins over ITA/JPN is very plausible.
If USA loses to Netherlands AND Canada beats Japan though.. then it's most likely USA out even if they did beat both Japan/Italy.
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Post by bbg95 on Jun 12, 2024 19:14:27 GMT -5
If Netherlands wins this... the pool of death is likely happening in Paris. Canada isn't for sure out with a Netherlands win though. But a Netherlands win means Canada MUST beat Japan to stay alive. (I'm not entertaining any Korea beating the Dutch arguments) Are you talking about Canada staying alive in this tournament or in Olympic qualification or both (it looks like they're currently the first team out)?
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Post by trojansc on Jun 12, 2024 19:29:36 GMT -5
If Netherlands wins this... the pool of death is likely happening in Paris. Canada isn't for sure out with a Netherlands win though. But a Netherlands win means Canada MUST beat Japan to stay alive. (I'm not entertaining any Korea beating the Dutch arguments) Are you talking about Canada staying alive in this tournament or in Olympic qualification or both (it looks like they're currently the first team out)? That post was about Olympic qualification.. Canada can't make up enough ground in world rankings points. VNL Final scenarios are a little different. Canada's situation is unique (it's even mathematically possible for Canada to win out, make VNL Finals over USA and Netherlands, but miss Paris). It's unlikely, but possible.
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Post by bbg95 on Jun 12, 2024 19:38:56 GMT -5
Are you talking about Canada staying alive in this tournament or in Olympic qualification or both (it looks like they're currently the first team out)? That post was about Olympic qualification.. Canada can't make up enough ground in world rankings points. VNL Final scenarios are a little different. Canada's situation is unique (it's even mathematically possible for Canada to win out, make VNL Finals over USA and Netherlands, but miss Paris). It's unlikely, but possible. So if Canada can't make up enough ground in world ranking points, how can they qualify for Paris? I must be missing something in the explanation of the qualification. But it looks like Dominican Republic, Serbia, Turkey, Brazil, USA and Poland all earned spots through qualifying tournaments in September. France is automatically in as the host. And then the next five teams in the world rankings get in, but each continent (except Australia, I guess) has to have a representative. The next five teams in the current rankings are Italy, Japan, China, Netherlands and Canada. But since Africa doesn't have a representative yet, then it looks like Kenya (or possibly Cameroon) would get the final spot, and Canada would be the first team out of the Olympics.
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