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Post by blue-footedbooby on Jun 25, 2024 10:30:53 GMT -5
Trump didn't cheat while he was president, did he? To clarify, I was not saying Trump cheated on his wife while he was President. Just that he cheated. Once again, in a moderate sized post, you comment on a tangential point in it of little worth. I would prefer you focus on important things. Abandon his trademark, like that will ever happen. doh!
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Post by aardvark on Jun 25, 2024 10:36:39 GMT -5
I am trying to understand what world you live in? Inflation was 1.4% under Donald Trump. Unemployment was low. Groceries were cheap and gas was cheap. What was gas? $1.40 per gallon? I hate to break it to you clueless people, but that’s a damn good president that can keep costs low, interest, rates, low, and allow people to thrive and prosper. Again, you do not have the ability to see anything for what it is. Why do you always lie? Biden inherited 14% unemployment from Trump and brought it down to ~4%. The all-food Consumer Price Index (CPI) rose by 25.0 percent starting in 2019 when Trump was president and lasted until Biden started bringing it down significantly in 2023. Gas was only cheap because demand was incredibly low thanks to everybody working from home or avoiding unncessary trips out. But you already know all this. This is just another chance for you to lie is all. It's worse than that. He keeps trying to say Trump policies accomplished these things without saying what policies. He gives credit to Trump for any good thing that happens under his term, whether he actually made moves to be involved with it or not. This is why I keep prompting him to say what policies and he keeps sidestepping. He has no idea.
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Post by aardvark on Jun 25, 2024 10:39:17 GMT -5
Trump or Biden as the next president. Does it really matter? No. I trust you won't be wasting your time voting then, since you feel it doesn't matter? Honestly, if you hold the opinion it doesn't matter, it makes me think you aren't informed enough to vote responsibly.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jun 25, 2024 11:44:16 GMT -5
For me - I would prefer some isolationism in term of military and engagements and no isolationism in terms of trade. My belief - this will improve the economy for the most people and it will reduce the chances of military conflict. Eh. NATO has prevented war from breaking out in Europe. Had we isolated ourselves and not taken part in that, don't you think the Soviets would have capitalized by expanding their position? I do. They certainly did that versus their former ally Ukraine, which wasn't a part of NATO. One could say Russia doesn't invade Ukraine if there wasn't talk of adding Ukraine to NATO.
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Post by vbman100 on Jun 25, 2024 11:50:12 GMT -5
Why do you always lie? Biden inherited 14% unemployment from Trump and brought it down to ~4%. The all-food Consumer Price Index (CPI) rose by 25.0 percent starting in 2019 when Trump was president and lasted until Biden started bringing it down significantly in 2023. Gas was only cheap because demand was incredibly low thanks to everybody working from home or avoiding unncessary trips out. But you already know all this. This is just another chance for you to lie is all. It's worse than that. He keeps trying to say Trump policies accomplished these things without saying what policies. He gives credit to Trump for any good thing that happens under his term, whether he actually made moves to be involved with it or not. This is why I keep prompting him to say what policies and he keeps sidestepping. He has no idea. Of course, it was the policies of “feelings”. Feeling like the economy was better under Drumpf. Feeling like unemployment was lower under Drumpf. Feeling like gas prices were lower, feeling like wages were higher. It’s all about feelings for Republicans. Snowflakes.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jun 25, 2024 11:52:04 GMT -5
Eh. NATO has prevented war from breaking out in Europe. Had we isolated ourselves and not taken part in that, don't you think the Soviets would have capitalized by expanding their position? I do. They certainly did that versus their former ally Ukraine, which wasn't a part of NATO. One could say Russia doesn't invade Ukraine if there wasn't talk of adding Ukraine to NATO. One can say anything one likes, but that doesn't mean one is correct.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jun 25, 2024 11:55:43 GMT -5
Trump didn't cheat while he was president, did he? Given his past history, what are the odds Trump didn't have sex with someone other than Melania during his presidency? Pretty low in my opinion. For that matter, what are the odds Trump had sex with Melania while he was president. Higher, but probably still pretty low. Trump, while president, definitely didn’t have the charisma that could lure a young intern or a Hollywood starlet. His best shot would’ve been Kellyanne Conway, and I’m a doubtful of that, but hopefully I’ve put an image in your mind that you can never erase.😆
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jun 25, 2024 12:01:15 GMT -5
Trump didn't cheat while he was president, did he? To clarify, I was not saying Trump cheated on his wife while he was President. Just that he cheated. Once again, in a moderate sized post, you comment on a tangential point in it of little worth. I would prefer you focus on important things. I’ll try but your surprisingly sloppy parallel/ comparison was a distraction. For the record… I care a little more about a man cheating while holding the office of the president than what they do before they hold office. Not by much, but a little.
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Post by bobinmd on Jun 25, 2024 12:07:08 GMT -5
I trust you won't be wasting your time voting then, since you feel it doesn't matter? Honestly, if you hold the opinion it doesn't matter, it makes me think you aren't informed enough to vote responsibly. It does not matter who sits in the White House the next 4 years. You said that. One candidate has vowed, on several occasions, to seek revenge on people he deems disloyal or he considers his enemies. Is that what you would like our President to be doing? Or is it more Betsy DeVos and Jared you want? More felons maybe? 🇺🇸
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Post by aardvark on Jun 25, 2024 12:07:38 GMT -5
Eh. NATO has prevented war from breaking out in Europe. Had we isolated ourselves and not taken part in that, don't you think the Soviets would have capitalized by expanding their position? I do. They certainly did that versus their former ally Ukraine, which wasn't a part of NATO. One could say Russia doesn't invade Ukraine if there wasn't talk of adding Ukraine to NATO. One could say? Is this one you? I don't think Ukraine became actively interested in joining NATO until Russia first stabbed them in the back by annexing Crimea and supporting independence for Russian-speaking Donetsk and Luhansk in eastern Ukraine (after doing similar nonsense in Georgia and Moldova years before). But I'm sure this is all Ukraine's fault. Somehow. Just explain it to me very slowly and articulately, and I'm sure you'll convince me.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jun 25, 2024 12:18:14 GMT -5
One could say Russia doesn't invade Ukraine if there wasn't talk of adding Ukraine to NATO. One could say? Is this one you? I don't think Ukraine became actively interested in joining NATO until Russia first stabbed them in the back by annexing Crimea and supporting independence for Russian-speaking Donetsk and Luhansk in eastern Ukraine (after doing similar nonsense in Georgia and Moldova years before). But I'm sure this is all Ukraine's fault. Somehow. Just explain it to me very slowly and articulately, and I'm sure you'll convince me. Ukraine made moves toward joining NATO for years, intensifying them in the early 2000s. By 2008 NATO and Ukraine were in talks that were intended to lead to Ukraine joining the alliance. However, in 2010, under Russian-favoring Viktor Yanukovych, they changed policy and announced they would not join NATO. In 2014 he was overthrown in the Maidan Revolution. Ukraine did not formally change their "we will remain neutral" stance, though. Then Russia invaded. That revived the official interest in joining NATO.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Jun 25, 2024 12:25:14 GMT -5
Eh. NATO has prevented war from breaking out in Europe. Had we isolated ourselves and not taken part in that, don't you think the Soviets would have capitalized by expanding their position? I do. They certainly did that versus their former ally Ukraine, which wasn't a part of NATO. One could say Russia doesn't invade Ukraine if there wasn't talk of adding Ukraine to NATO. One could say Russia doesn't invade Finland or Sweden if there wasn't talk of them joining NATO. Oh wait, that never happened did it? hmmmmm, imagine that.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jun 25, 2024 15:57:18 GMT -5
One could say? Is this one you? I don't think Ukraine became actively interested in joining NATO until Russia first stabbed them in the back by annexing Crimea and supporting independence for Russian-speaking Donetsk and Luhansk in eastern Ukraine (after doing similar nonsense in Georgia and Moldova years before). But I'm sure this is all Ukraine's fault. Somehow. Just explain it to me very slowly and articulately, and I'm sure you'll convince me. Ukraine made moves toward joining NATO for years, intensifying them in the early 2000s. By 2008 NATO and Ukraine were in talks that were intended to lead to Ukraine joining the alliance. However, in 2010, under Russian-favoring Viktor Yanukovych, they changed policy and announced they would not join NATO. In 2014 he was overthrown in the Maidan Revolution. Ukraine did not formally change their "we will remain neutral" stance, though. Then Russia invaded. That revived the official interest in joining NATO. June 2021 - NATO leaders brought up the idea (again) of Ukraine joining NATO. In response - Russia has a massive military buildup at the border. NATO general secretary responds by saying that Ukraine's decision to join NATO is up to Ukraine and NATO members. Russia invades Ukraine within two months - and we are 2+ years and counting of a war. I am not saying that NATO talk necessarily led to Russia invading Ukraine, but it is a question worth asking. Maybe if we had left things along - Russia doesn't invade and we avoid a war?
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Post by bluepenquin on Jun 25, 2024 16:03:27 GMT -5
One could say Russia doesn't invade Ukraine if there wasn't talk of adding Ukraine to NATO. One could say? Is this one you? I don't think Ukraine became actively interested in joining NATO until Russia first stabbed them in the back by annexing Crimea and supporting independence for Russian-speaking Donetsk and Luhansk in eastern Ukraine (after doing similar nonsense in Georgia and Moldova years before). But I'm sure this is all Ukraine's fault. Somehow. Just explain it to me very slowly and articulately, and I'm sure you'll convince me. Have I implied this is Ukraine's fault (because I certainly don't think this was Ukraine's fault). Have I said that the US shouldn't be doing everything necessary to stop Russia here for their illegal aggression into Ukraine (because I certainly fully support all actions against Russia for their invasion and consider them at fault for this war). I am open to the suggestion that all the Ukraine to NATO talk right before the invasion may have unnecessarily pushed Russia into invading Ukraine and starting a war.
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Post by vergyltantor on Jun 25, 2024 16:22:46 GMT -5
I just heard something that cracked me up.
This Presidential choice is like choosing a house sitter when going on vacation. The choice is between someone that might forget to shut off the porch light, and someone that might let your plants die and sell your furniture.
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