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Post by vbnerd on Jul 24, 2024 16:00:59 GMT -5
Men's basketball = women's basketball Softball + volleyball = baseball + 9
that's 49 men and 58 women's scholarships. Women are at 54% of that pool of scholarships which is about right for most schools to comply with Title IX. That is a good base for a Big East or other non-football school.
Then football comes in with 105. So presumably that is offset by Rowing, swimming, women's lax, gymnastics, women's track, etc. I'm not surprised they found a couple extra for softball. I am surprised they didn't find a couple more for volleyball. There's going to need to be a huge investment in some sports that pay fewer bills than volleyball does.
BTW, I count Cornell with 22 last year. Colgate's roster is up with 22 this year. There is going to be some upward movement by programs that need to use their scholarships, and there is going to be some downward movement by teams that have had more than 18. Same will be true in all sports. It's going to be a wild offseason.
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Post by chibadgerfan on Jul 24, 2024 16:03:07 GMT -5
The tweet says 18 scholarships. Max 12 scholarships with unlimited roster size --> max 18 scholarships with max roster of 18. Still doesn't change how many players will transfer for playing time. Already, someone transferring for playing time should snag an open scholarship or get equivalent compensation through NIL, or they lack self-awareness. Maybe a player moves from a school that can't fund 18 schollies to one that can, but that has nothing to do with playing time like the comment I replied to discussed. Since every school will have more scholarships, there will be more scholarship players at every school competing for the same amount of playing time. Hence more scholarship players losing the competition at their school and entering the portal.
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Post by chibadgerfan on Jul 24, 2024 16:09:43 GMT -5
Men's basketball = women's basketball Softball + volleyball = baseball + 9 that's 49 men and 58 women's scholarships. Women are at 54% of that pool of scholarships which is about right for most schools to comply with Title IX. That is a good base for a Big East or other non-football school. Then football comes in with 105. So presumably that is offset by Rowing, swimming, women's lax, gymnastics, women's track, etc. I'm not surprised they found a couple extra for softball. I am surprised they didn't find a couple more for volleyball. There's going to need to be a huge investment in some sports that pay fewer bills than volleyball does. BTW, I count Cornell with 22 last year. Colgate's roster is up with 22 this year. There is going to be some upward movement by programs that need to use their scholarships, and there is going to be some downward movement by teams that have had more than 18. Same will be true in all sports. It's going to be a wild offseason. Completely agree. For schools with football, more men’s sports will get dropped. Baseball especially.
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Post by vbnerd on Jul 24, 2024 16:13:19 GMT -5
BTW, for those doing math... swimswam.com/ncaa-expected-to-eliminate-scholarship-limits-across-all-sports/"New roster limits won’t be final until the approval of settlement terms in the House case, but in swimming & diving, the limits are expected to be 23 men and 35 women, at least in the SEC and Big Ten." The athletic wrote "Volleyball is going from a 4.5 scholarship limit to a roster limit of 18." so either they were talking about men's volleyball or they don't know women's volleyball is different.
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Post by n00b on Jul 24, 2024 16:34:52 GMT -5
One thing that is not explicit yet is if 18 is for all of NCAA or specific to the Power 4. I had heard discussions that max roster numbers could be left up to individual conferences. If true, Ivy and Patriot League programs might be able to keep their giant rosters.
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Post by kiyoat on Jul 24, 2024 16:45:04 GMT -5
Another important point: All sports will be considered "equivalency" sports. No more requirements for full scholarships. Schools can structure it however they want, as long as they don't exceed the roster limit. This is probably more important to non-revenue sports, and smaller schools, who will have more tight budgeting, I would think. Are you sure about that? I'm just reading what is in the Yahoo article, as relayed by Ross Dellenger. So, Yeah. Pretty sure. Of course, the article has it's sources, and the official NCAA statement won't be released until Friday. So I'm as sure as the Yahoo Sports author (also Ross Dellenger). Here's a link to the full article: FULL ARTICLE LINK
If OTOH, you are referring to my suggestion that it would be more important in non-revenue sports and smaller programs... I added the caveat "I would think"... which suggests a certain level of "just throwing out an opinion". No, I'm certainly not sure of that wildly speculative opinion.
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Post by uofaGRAD on Jul 24, 2024 16:49:09 GMT -5
if you’re able to put scholarship designated money into payments on top of tuition, that seems like a huge miss by the NCAA and a total slap in the face to the whole STUDENT athlete part of the NCAA
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Post by fetchin on Jul 24, 2024 16:55:36 GMT -5
Is volleyball 18 for both men and women and beach?
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Post by stevehorn on Jul 24, 2024 16:58:33 GMT -5
if you’re able to put scholarship designated money into payments on top of tuition, that seems like a huge miss by the NCAA and a total slap in the face to the whole STUDENT athlete part of the NCAA I think you are misreading the article. As part of the settlement, there will be revenue sharing in addition to scholarships.
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Post by stevehorn on Jul 24, 2024 16:59:56 GMT -5
Is volleyball 18 for both men and women and beach? Feel certain the 18 is the limit of women's volleyball (indoor).
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Post by n00b on Jul 24, 2024 17:00:43 GMT -5
if you’re able to put scholarship designated money into payments on top of tuition, that seems like a huge miss by the NCAA and a total slap in the face to the whole STUDENT athlete part of the NCAA I disagree. Which is worse? Texas deciding to only have a 14-athlete roster so they can maximize aid to those 14 athletes OR doing that but allowing 4 total walkons onto the team? Do you think football player #105 is going to get the same amount of revenue sharing as the starting QB?
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Post by fetchin on Jul 24, 2024 17:03:02 GMT -5
Is volleyball 18 for both men and women and beach? Feel certain the 18 is the limit of women's volleyball (indoor). Okay but what about mens and beach don’t tell me they are stuck at 4.5 and 6 while womens indoor gets 18!💀
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Post by stevehorn on Jul 24, 2024 17:11:06 GMT -5
Feel certain the 18 is the limit of women's volleyball (indoor). Okay but what about mens and beach don’t tell me they are stuck at 4.5 and 6 while womens indoor gets 18!💀 The only limits that were "leaked" today were the ones in the original tweet.
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Post by n00b on Jul 24, 2024 17:12:47 GMT -5
Feel certain the 18 is the limit of women's volleyball (indoor). Okay but what about mens and beach don’t tell me they are stuck at 4.5 and 6 while womens indoor gets 18!💀 None of the Power 4 conferences offer either men’s or beach volleyball. I suspect there will be nothing in the settlement about these sports.
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Post by kiyoat on Jul 24, 2024 17:14:44 GMT -5
Feel certain the 18 is the limit of women's volleyball (indoor). Okay but what about mens and beach don’t tell me they are stuck at 4.5 and 6 while womens indoor gets 18!💀 The article only mentions 6 sports. For the rest we will probably have to wait until an official statement on Friday. They DID say that no sport will have less roster spots than the current scholarship limits. I can't imagine they would be able to field a team with a roster limit of 4.5! I would guess that men's will be 18 too? For Beach I have no idea what the average roster is now, including walk-ons or partials.
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