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Post by wilbur on Sept 18, 2024 17:39:01 GMT -5
Which states use the NCAA / club ball? None yet that I know of. It’s an NFHS rule that the ball can’t be textured. I didn't know that. Thanks for sharing! Seems like a rule that should be changed since most of the world plays with a textured ball plus NCAA mens and boys club. |
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Post by muredshark on Sept 18, 2024 22:45:45 GMT -5
Trust me, we (the state of Wisconsin) have made multiple rule change requests to the NFHS on behalf of ALL boys high school programs across the country and in the state of Wisconsin to get the ball changed. We even have a member of the boys high school coaching committee on the NFHS rules committee that will vote on the ball in February 2025. Colorado and Ohio got to use the textured ball as an "experiment" in the spring of 2024, and they will be reporting results/feedback to the NFHS rules committee very soon. So there is hope on the horizon after battling this for many years now with many people who have been stuck in their ways for many years.
In addition, the newly formed Wisconsin Boys Volleyball Coaches Association is doing some education initiatives to talk about a lot of topics with Athletic Directors who make the ultimate decisions when it comes to a lot of boys-volleyball related topics. We encourage active members of the boys volleyball community to talk about the issues they see with not using the textured ball, the location of the state tournament and the sport season with people in their circles or admins at their schools so more people are aware. And, that way, we aren't blindsiding some ADs and other decision makers when it comes to some of these things.
Just tryin' to fight the good fight for our boys and the good of the sport.
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Post by gofaster88 on Sept 18, 2024 23:59:43 GMT -5
None yet that I know of. It’s an NFHS rule that the ball can’t be textured. I didn't know that. Thanks for sharing! Seems like a rule that should be changed since most of the world plays with a textured ball plus NCAA mens and boys club. NFHS doesn't differentiate their rules from Boys to Girls. So, until they do it'll be panel balls like the girls. |
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Post by gofaster88 on Sept 19, 2024 0:02:50 GMT -5
Trust me, we (the state of Wisconsin) have made multiple rule change requests to the NFHS on behalf of ALL boys high school programs across the country and in the state of Wisconsin to get the ball changed. We even have a member of the boys high school coaching committee on the NFHS rules committee that will vote on the ball in February 2025. Colorado and Ohio got to use the textured ball as an "experiment" in the spring of 2024, and they will be reporting results/feedback to the NFHS rules committee very soon. So there is hope on the horizon after battling this for many years now with many people who have been stuck in their ways for many years. In addition, the newly formed Wisconsin Boys Volleyball Coaches Association is doing some education initiatives to talk about a lot of topics with Athletic Directors who make the ultimate decisions when it comes to a lot of boys-volleyball related topics. We encourage active members of the boys volleyball community to talk about the issues they see with not using the textured ball, the location of the state tournament and the sport season with people in their circles or admins at their schools so more people are aware. And, that way, we aren't blindsiding some ADs and other decision makers when it comes to some of these things. Just tryin' to fight the good fight for our boys and the good of the sport. One selling point for AD's to add Boys Volleyball over the years is there is no equipment costs associated with adding it. You use the same court, same poles, same net (different height obviously). Would telling a school they need to shell out for 20+ balls at $75 a pop be a deterrent? |
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Post by wilbur on Sept 19, 2024 0:10:41 GMT -5
I didn't know that. Thanks for sharing! Seems like a rule that should be changed since most of the world plays with a textured ball plus NCAA mens and boys club. NFHS doesn't differentiate their rules from Boys to Girls. So, until they do it'll be panel balls like the girls. Why not let girls play with textured balls too? The rest of the world does. |
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Post by gofaster88 on Sept 19, 2024 7:43:56 GMT -5
NFHS doesn't differentiate their rules from Boys to Girls. So, until they do it'll be panel balls like the girls. Why not let girls play with textured balls too? The rest of the world does. $$$$ Almost every state I've seen has an "official ball" from a manufacturer that probably means the association is sponsored by that manufacturer. The girls don't play with it in NCAA nor club yet as well. So, everything basically comes down to the almighty dollar. In order to get it going someone in girls has to say, lets start phasing it in and give X amount of years for it to be adopted. They can't have clubs just all of a sudden throw out and purchase 100 balls. |
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Post by wilbur on Sept 19, 2024 12:38:19 GMT -5
Why not let girls play with textured balls too? The rest of the world does. $$$$ Almost every state I've seen has an "official ball" from a manufacturer that probably means the association is sponsored by that manufacturer. The girls don't play with it in NCAA nor club yet as well. So, everything basically comes down to the almighty dollar. In order to get it going someone in girls has to say, lets start phasing it in and give X amount of years for it to be adopted. They can't have clubs just all of a sudden throw out and purchase 100 balls. They can at least change the rule and let market conditions take over to see what happens. The textured molten is a better ball that most players like a lot after they have played with it, some like it a lot immediately. I think it would do good things for the game. |
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Post by bradk on Sept 19, 2024 12:52:09 GMT -5
Now I maybe incorrect on this. However I do remember reading and it might have been a while ago that any ball can be used during regular season and at tournaments at decision of the host school. However in the tournament series (WIAA playoffs) only the Molton Pro Touch will be used. So if teams wanted they could play with the Flista all year but then have to switch for Regionals, Sectionals, and State which frankly would make no sense.
A lot of programs when they first start only have the girls ball the Super Touch (which is universal across all state associations along with USAV and AAU volleyball by the way) and we have played several matches having to use a super touch for a boys match.
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Post by vbboysfan on Sept 19, 2024 13:09:43 GMT -5
Any ball used for high school must have the NFHS logo (no exceptions for regular season). Any brand with the logo may be used by the host team. Playoffs only the Molten ProTouch may be used (they usually provide a new ball to the host school). The textured balls do not have the NFHS logo, as they are not approved by the NFHS for use in any high school game.
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Post by letsgo22 on Sept 20, 2024 8:42:31 GMT -5
Have the pools been announced for the Gtown tourney this weekend, it sounds like a lot of really good teams will be there
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Post by jmpy5 on Sept 20, 2024 9:08:28 GMT -5
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Y0X_yzFNpkyEygGknMp13w_cGOxaG6h98T-s1yuGZs/editNice field for sure. I like that the top two get out. I understand the numbers at some of the other tourneys necessitate dropping the 2nd place pool finishers to the silver, but in a year like this with a lot of parity and apparently no clear front runner, you get some skewed results. Crossover concept. At this point in the season, I think I did not recognize how good the 2024s were. I think that Middleton/AHS/Marquette/Kimberly/Fusion/Hamilton/Appleton North from last year would be dominating this year.
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Post by goat12 on Sept 20, 2024 9:28:11 GMT -5
The move to spring would for sure line up with other states, I just don't see it happening with how many more sports there are in spring than fall for boys. It would be very unbalanced. A benefit would be that school and club seasons align with other states, and it also frees up a lot of officials with it not being the same time as girls volleyball. The change to a textured ball should go through no problem. I would tell teams to start prepping their equipment budget to make the change within the next 1-2 season.
My biggest question is where is the data to show the WIAA why the move to GB was a bad thing for the boys tournament? As of right now all I see is coaches from SE WI upset that it is no longer in their backyard. Where is the proof that the move caused less fair weather fans to attend? I've attended the tournament at WLC and the Resch and can say that as a spectator WLC was fun because it was smaller and loud, but the Resch is much more of an experience for the boys. Parking is WAY better at the Resch, there is a ton to do right around the venue with restaurants and everything Packers related. I'd like to see numbers from the WIAA about attendance as well because from what I saw it did not dip at all, if anything it increased. With the switch to Wed-Fri now for boys that I think will screw the attendance numbers the most out of their decisions and the almighty dollar will always be how they make their decisions. If the SE schools really want to show the WIAA they hate the Resch that much, tell all the parents and spectators to not go this year. Boycott the venue, hit the WIAA in the pocketbook where it will actually show them that you don't want to be there. In my opinion it will never move away from the girls tournament again. It makes too much sense from the WIAA's side to have it as one event logistically with event staff, officials, hotels. There will need to be actual numbers and data to prove why it needs to move away from the girls and I think that data just doesn't exist. If teams want to complain about it go talk to the FVA schools like Kimberly, Appleton North, and Kaukauna. They travel 2 hours almost every Saturday to come down and play against the better teams. How many SE schools go up to Kaukauna for their invite? And that is only one weekend out of the season.
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Post by coy on Sept 20, 2024 12:56:55 GMT -5
The move to spring would for sure line up with other states, I just don't see it happening with how many more sports there are in spring than fall for boys. It would be very unbalanced. A benefit would be that school and club seasons align with other states, and it also frees up a lot of officials with it not being the same time as girls volleyball. The change to a textured ball should go through no problem. I would tell teams to start prepping their equipment budget to make the change within the next 1-2 season. My biggest question is where is the data to show the WIAA why the move to GB was a bad thing for the boys tournament? As of right now all I see is coaches from SE WI upset that it is no longer in their backyard. Where is the proof that the move caused less fair weather fans to attend? I've attended the tournament at WLC and the Resch and can say that as a spectator WLC was fun because it was smaller and loud, but the Resch is much more of an experience for the boys. Parking is WAY better at the Resch, there is a ton to do right around the venue with restaurants and everything Packers related. I'd like to see numbers from the WIAA about attendance as well because from what I saw it did not dip at all, if anything it increased. With the switch to Wed-Fri now for boys that I think will screw the attendance numbers the most out of their decisions and the almighty dollar will always be how they make their decisions. If the SE schools really want to show the WIAA they hate the Resch that much, tell all the parents and spectators to not go this year. Boycott the venue, hit the WIAA in the pocketbook where it will actually show them that you don't want to be there. In my opinion it will never move away from the girls tournament again. It makes too much sense from the WIAA's side to have it as one event logistically with event staff, officials, hotels. There will need to be actual numbers and data to prove why it needs to move away from the girls and I think that data just doesn't exist. If teams want to complain about it go talk to the FVA schools like Kimberly, Appleton North, and Kaukauna. They travel 2 hours almost every Saturday to come down and play against the better teams. How many SE schools go up to Kaukauna for their invite? And that is only one weekend out of the season. I mean, they're playing quarterfinal matches on Wednesday mornings in Green Bay this year. Do you really think that's going to be as well attended as 7 PM on a Friday evening in Milwaukee? I guess I don't have the data to back it up, but I'm pretty confident in saying it won't be. To win a State title, schools used to miss 1 day of school max. Now they're missing 3 full days of school. That's just flat out dumb. |
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Post by 3gtboys on Sept 20, 2024 15:31:43 GMT -5
I had a son play at both venues. We are a Milwaukee area school. The majority of the teams from state come from this area. With the exception of the FV kids, they all got to sleep in their own beds and schools/wiaa (not sure who pays) isn't paying for motels and meals. Resch was a cool experience and playing in a stadium that big was also cool. The only problem was the depth perception with the high ceilings (don't get to practice in there before the games) and multiple games going on at the same time. The problem is logistics. Now 7 teams are paying for hotels. Our school/wiaa only paid for 1 room for 4 players. So 2 kids per bed probably doesn't make for good rest. As parents we had hotel rooms but we were done playing early (don't get me started on the boys vs girls game times etc)so we cancelled and commuted. There was very little interaction between us and our son because the Resch shuffles players and spectators out right away (in opposite directions!) There is a ton of downtime between games (WLC was less because they played multiple games in a day). Championship day the players had to be out of their rooms early so they let them use a conference room to hang out in and waste time. Yes, there is some advantage to the Milwaukee teams playing in the Milwaukee area but with the majority of the teams coming from this area it makes way more logistical sense. WLC will probably not ever host again because they have mens college vball and it could be seen as a recruiting advantage, but how about the Al McGuire Center, Panther Arena, Klotsche Center? Maybe UWM see the light and form a mens team. Plenty of talent in WI to form one.
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Post by jmpy5 on Sept 20, 2024 15:49:04 GMT -5
My kids hotel got botched last year. Not enough rooms at the designated hotel. Starters got the rooms and others got shuttled around to another hotel and had a big wait. Say what you want about it, but it just is not a great environment. Thursday last year with kids who wanted off school was a little loud. But I think you give up all the volleyball boys and parents and coaches who are not State qualifiers who won't make that drive but likely would come to a Milwaukee area event.
I don't think UWM will be reprising the '90s glory days, but adding another WIAC school would be great. Interested to see if Point takes off with the guys they got.
The talent is there... look at the UW-Madison club team "recruiting class".
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