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Post by vbboysfan on Jul 29, 2024 16:16:13 GMT -5
While it's still early and practices do not star for 3 weeks, who are some of the favorites for the fall season? I know many teams graduated a lot of starters and major contributors and will be in rebuilding mode (or at least taking some lumps while younger players work their way into the lineups).
Also looking at the new Sectional alignments. Looks like they were organized geographically with no regard to balancing sectional strength (they used to occasionally move 1 or 2 teams between sectionals each year). Also see that Sectional 4 is assigned to Slinger, which doesn't have a boys team? I know a few years ago they combined boys & girls to play on the same night in one gym, but the Slinger girls are not even hosts for their Sectional in Division 1. Hopefully that's just a typo and one of the teams can host....Sectionals 2-4 have 9 teams, while Sectional 6 is down to 7. Not sure why they don't re-balance some to avoid the play-in game for one of the other regionals.
Favorites after graduation losses?
Sectional 1 - Appleton North, Kaukauna, Kimberly
Sectional 2 - Madison Memorial, Middleton
Sectional 3 - Cedarburg, Homestead, Germantown
Sectional 4 (death sectional) - Arrowhead, Hamilton, Waukesha West, Kettle Moraine (not sure how CMH survives with a very young team)
Sectional 5 - Mukwonago?
Sectional 6 - Marquette, Brook East, Brook Central, Tosa East (not sure with the losses & coaching change)
Sectional 7 - New Berlin United, Muskego, Franklin
Sectional 8 - South Milwaukee (do they have enough returning), Indian Trail
As I said, I'm not sure what everyone has back, so just guesses at this point. Fun to start the conversation, though, then see how early season results stand-up after the KM Invite.
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Post by coy on Jul 29, 2024 17:12:42 GMT -5
These kids had club tryouts already, correct? So they try out for club, then don't play with that club team and go try out for high school? Such an odd schedule and choice by Badger Region. Some kids might develop very nicely with good high school coaching and be stuck on a 2s team because they didn't get the chance to try out after their high school development.
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Post by nakedcrayon on Jul 29, 2024 18:25:18 GMT -5
same for girls in almost every region nowaday
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Post by bradk on Jul 29, 2024 21:45:34 GMT -5
These kids had club tryouts already, correct? So they try out for club, then don't play with that club team and go try out for high school? Such an odd schedule and choice by Badger Region. Some kids might develop very nicely with good high school coaching and be stuck on a 2s team because they didn't get the chance to try out after their high school development. Think about all of the high school freshman who are going to step into a volleyball gym for the first time in 3 weeks. They fall in love with the sport and cant wait to play club like all the older kids in the program they are suddenly looking up to. Well maybe there is a team out there who kept a spot or two open for you but you are fighting against all the other freshman for how many total spots?
The Badger Region has always done well by the boys. This however will have significant poor results for this class.
What about Marquette players who made teams. You know how many club players Marquette cuts every year? Congrats you made a club team but could not make your high school team.
With the creation of the 48 team open and the growth of the game and how the premier division has improved being on a 2's team is not a bad thing at all however. If you are good college coaches will find you, if you get that good clubs will find a way to get creative.
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Post by vbboysfan on Jul 30, 2024 14:12:48 GMT -5
You're right that the kid that develops in HS season (especially 9th & 10th graders who will hit a growth spurt) may get left out. I know some clubs are not assigning teams until November tryouts, but getting kids to accept with the club. Not sure if others are locking teams in July. Either way retention offers and 2 tryout periods keep making it more complex and more stressful for kids, parents, and coaches.
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Post by kurtwong on Jul 31, 2024 10:23:48 GMT -5
While it's still early and practices do not star for 3 weeks, who are some of the favorites for the fall season? I know many teams graduated a lot of starters and major contributors and will be in rebuilding mode (or at least taking some lumps while younger players work their way into the lineups). Also looking at the new Sectional alignments. Looks like they were organized geographically with no regard to balancing sectional strength (they used to occasionally move 1 or 2 teams between sectionals each year). Also see that Sectional 4 is assigned to Slinger, which doesn't have a boys team? I know a few years ago they combined boys & girls to play on the same night in one gym, but the Slinger girls are not even hosts for their Sectional in Division 1. Hopefully that's just a typo and one of the teams can host....Sectionals 2-4 have 9 teams, while Sectional 6 is down to 7. Not sure why they don't re-balance some to avoid the play-in game for one of the other regionals. Favorites after graduation losses? Sectional 1 - Appleton North, Kaukauna, Kimberly Sectional 2 - Madison Memorial, Middleton Sectional 3 - Cedarburg, Homestead, Germantown Sectional 4 (death sectional) - Arrowhead, Hamilton, Waukesha West, Kettle Moraine (not sure how CMH survives with a very young team) Sectional 5 - Mukwonago? Sectional 6 - Marquette, Brook East, Brook Central, Tosa East (not sure with the losses & coaching change) Sectional 7 - New Berlin United, Muskego, Franklin Sectional 8 - South Milwaukee (do they have enough returning), Indian Trail As I said, I'm not sure what everyone has back, so just guesses at this point. Fun to start the conversation, though, then see how early season results stand-up after the KM Invite. Thanks for kicking off the thread vbboysfan! I definitely share your frustration over the sectional alignments, but I feel as though this is just more of the same by the wonderful folks at the WIAA. Without fail it seems as though there will always be some sections that are extremely competitive, and others that are lay ups. With that being said, I'll pick my sectional winners below. 1- Kimberly - They are a big team that's returning a talented core who already earned a trip to state last year. I think this section has the potential to be as competitive as any other section in the state. 2- Middleton - They may have lost a lot of last year's champion team, but they will continue to run the show in the Madison area. 3- Germantown - They will be an experienced team whose sum of parts will be greater than the Aleksey show at Homestead for one more year. Between the energy that G'Town always brings, and the dynamic game that Aleksey plays, I could see this being one of the most thrilling sectional matchups in the state. 4- Arrowhead - This is probably the toughest choice in my opinion. I expect this to be a rematch of last year's sectional final between Arrowhead and Hamilton. Both teams lost quite a bit, but I think Arrowhead's size gives them a leg up. Sleeper team in this section will be Pewaukee. 5- Westosha Central - I think Central flies a bit under the radar with their absence from state last year, but they were a team that went 28-4, and only graduated 4 seniors. I think this is a section that will be very competitive within itself. 6- Marquette - Let's not be fooled by the new section assignments. Marquette has been at state every year since 2001. This year will be no different. 7- New Berlin United - To be honest I have no idea what's going on in this section, but I think I remember NBU being fairly young last year. They are well coached and should be able to hang with anyone in the section. 8- South Milwaukee - They lost their top hitter off of last year's team, but I'll give them the nod based on their experience. Feels like another section that is fairly wide open for the taking. Any preseason predictions for state POY? I'll take a wild guess and put my money on the kid who just won MVP at the continental championships. |
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Post by coy on Jul 31, 2024 10:58:29 GMT -5
I have far less of a problem with uneven Sectionals than I do with moving State to Green Bay and playing State quarterfinal matchups at like 10 AM on a Thursday. You can't keep flipping and flopping sectionals, and there's no way to know what programs will be good a couple years down the road (you can assume some programs will be good based on consistency, but overall...). It makes sense to do sectionals based somewhat on geography. Yes, they could slightly alter some of them (not specifically but just as an example, move MUHS to the most southeastern sectional to open up a chance for the Brookfield and Tosa schools to make State, as there's already enough competition without MUHS in there...). But overall, that's just how high school sports go. Sometimes a sectional will be very strong, and others it might be weak.
Wisconsin Lutheran was the perfect location for the boy's State volleyball. Sure, it stinks as a team from Middleton or Appleton to have to travel 2 hours while most other teams have a 30 minute max drive. But that's kind of the point, most teams are within a half an hour of the Milwaukee/Tosa area. Pack the place and play it in 2 days. It's absurd what they did with the schedule.
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Post by kurtwong on Jul 31, 2024 11:26:25 GMT -5
I have far less of a problem with uneven Sectionals than I do with moving State to Green Bay and playing State quarterfinal matchups at like 10 AM on a Thursday. You can't keep flipping and flopping sectionals, and there's no way to know what programs will be good a couple years down the road (you can assume some programs will be good based on consistency, but overall...). It makes sense to do sectionals based somewhat on geography. Yes, they could slightly alter some of them (not specifically but just as an example, move MUHS to the most southeastern sectional to open up a chance for the Brookfield and Tosa schools to make State, as there's already enough competition without MUHS in there...). But overall, that's just how high school sports go. Sometimes a sectional will be very strong, and others it might be weak. Wisconsin Lutheran was the perfect location for the boy's State volleyball. Sure, it stinks as a team from Middleton or Appleton to have to travel 2 hours while most other teams have a 30 minute max drive. But that's kind of the point, most teams are within a half an hour of the Milwaukee/Tosa area. Pack the place and play it in 2 days. It's absurd what they did with the schedule.
I agree with you regarding the location change of the boy's tournament, but more so based on the venue than the location. While I recognize that it is really cool that these young athletes get to play in a big arena like the Resch, I think the atmosphere at the WLC was superior. I fondly remember the quarter finals at WLC when both courts were playing. That gym would be packed, the fans would be loud, and as an athlete that energy really made an impact on the flow of the game. It looks like this year the boy's tournament has been relegated to Wed-Fri, ughh. I can't imagine being a parent having to now take 3 days off work to go support your son. |
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Post by jmpy5 on Aug 3, 2024 8:02:32 GMT -5
Great stuff.
Agree with everyone who says a Metro Milwaukee location would be best. Resch is cool and all but a little bleak when empty. I am not sure what to expect with the Wednesday start. My initial thought is it will be another WIAA disaster, but I think there is some possibility to get more students on the weekdays.
As has been stated, big dropoff from the last couple of years. I think there were 5 or 6 teams last year that would win this year.
1. Kimberly over AN even with a big graduation and an apparent injury. Neenah sleeper.
2. Middleton over Memorial, Van Buren is the real deal and a couple middles who can slow Lincoln Meyers down.
3. Germantown over Nicolet in a really good the sectional final. Griggs v. Osis super athletic matchup. Shame one of them won't advance this year.
4. Arrowhead over Hamilton in a rematch, Pewaukee maybe as a sleeper if Mainka goes off. AHS lucky GTown got moved this would have been a revenge year after 4 straight.
5. Mukwonago over Westosha.
6. MUHS over Brook East. MUHS 2nd team might win.
7. New Berlin over Muskego. Talented juniors in this section.
8. South Milwaukee.
POY Mikhailenko
1st Team
Lincoln Myers
Michael Jannsen
Caden Van Buren
Ben Bayer
Max Larscheid
Jackson Loewe
2nd Team
Logan Mainka
Oakley Griggs
Tanner Sindorf
Drew Blonski
Roberts Osis
Owen Krause*
Good luck to all the Boys.
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Post by mplsgopher on Aug 3, 2024 16:25:42 GMT -5
Is Wisc the only state with boys sanctioned that hold the season in the fall?
Pretty much every other boys/mens vball season is in the spring?
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Post by rhinovb14 on Aug 4, 2024 13:22:47 GMT -5
Is Wisc the only state with boys sanctioned that hold the season in the fall? Pretty much every other boys/mens vball season is in the spring? NY does. Weather is prohibitive for much of NY to play in the spring. Too much competing for gym space as it routinely snows here and is cold as all heck until May. |
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Post by gofaster88 on Aug 4, 2024 17:00:03 GMT -5
Is Wisc the only state with boys sanctioned that hold the season in the fall? Pretty much every other boys/mens vball season is in the spring? NY does. Weather is prohibitive for much of NY to play in the spring. Too much competing for gym space as it routinely snows here and is cold as all heck until May. Upstate NY right? NYC and Long Island I believe is in the Spring? |
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Post by rhinovb14 on Aug 4, 2024 22:06:10 GMT -5
NY does. Weather is prohibitive for much of NY to play in the spring. Too much competing for gym space as it routinely snows here and is cold as all heck until May. Upstate NY right? NYC and Long Island I believe is in the Spring? Nope. Whole state is fall, aside from some small pockets that play in winter (very very small schools) Need 6 sections for a state tournament. We had intersectional champions for a very long time until downstate came online in the fall. Not sure when NYC plays. They may be the lone spring section. |
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Post by damien on Aug 5, 2024 13:29:25 GMT -5
Sectional 3 - Cedarburg, Homestead, Germantown This is going to be a tough sectional. Germantown will be very good, Homestead is obviously the Aleksey show but they'll have other weapons too, Nicolet will be dangerous with Osis and Scharnick leading their attack, and don't sleep on Whitefish Bay as they're going to have a lot of veteran seniors on that squad. Plus we'll try to be a thorn in everyone's side at Cedarburg.  |
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Post by chico on Aug 14, 2024 12:40:16 GMT -5
I heard something that all the Sting 17s kids moved to MVC, can anyone confirm or deny?
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