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Post by lalalaluuuke on Mar 19, 2004 14:09:46 GMT -5
It's good to see all of the negative attention that everyone is giving BYU. It is a good indication that BYU is doing well. Thanks for your support.
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Post by vballguy2001 on Mar 19, 2004 16:13:28 GMT -5
Red Yukon I go to BYU. But you cannot escape the fact that they are older then other teams. Learn how to take a joke. I am a BYU volleyball fan til the day i die.
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Post by midwestfan on Mar 19, 2004 16:22:25 GMT -5
There's no joking in volleyball ...
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Post by vballguy2001 on Mar 19, 2004 16:29:10 GMT -5
I am finding that out....thanks for the info
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Post by midwestfan on Mar 19, 2004 16:31:15 GMT -5
You're welcome!
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Post by lalalaluuuke on Mar 19, 2004 16:57:11 GMT -5
vballguy, I am not following you. I'm not disputing the fact that their average age is higher than most. That is a given. I'm saying that it is usually not an issue until BYU starts winning.
Dude, I read no joke to "learn how to take," mine was said with a light heart as well. People need to quit interpreting my comments as "not taking a joke." Come on already. We are all doing it. We read something that we don't agree with and retaliate. I guess we all need to add in a smiley when we say something in jest because as obviously funny or non-offensive as we think something is, it obviously isn't.
I'm sure I will get another dozen responses to this message as not being able to "take a joke," but when I read something on here I don't hear your tone of voice or laughter in the background--do your computers have that? If so where is the link so I can download the program? If you feel the urge to tell me to learn how to take a joke, just rephrase your comment so it really does sound like you are joking.
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Post by Gorf on Mar 19, 2004 21:41:46 GMT -5
It's good to see all of the negative attention that you all are giving BYU. It is a good indication that BYU is doing well. Thanks for your support. I thought IPFW was the team that was getting the negative attention in this thread? Apparently they're doing well also..
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Post by midwestfan on Mar 19, 2004 21:48:41 GMT -5
Thanks Gorf, I needed that!!! ;D ;D
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Post by midwestfan on Mar 19, 2004 23:34:31 GMT -5
Smooth:
I think the "bus" could roll through one of five cities:
FW, Muncie, Chicago, Romeoville or Columbus
I don't think anyone is handing out the trophy yet. IPFW owns the tie breaker with Lewis and Ohio State owns the tie breaker with Loyola so far. The next couple of weeks are going to be interesting.
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Post by vb on Mar 20, 2004 0:01:52 GMT -5
Smooth: I think the "bus" could roll through one of five cities: FW, Muncie, Chicago, Romeoville or Columbus I don't think anyone is handing out the trophy yet. IPFW owns the tie breaker with Lewis and Ohio State owns the tie breaker with Loyola so far. The next couple of weeks are going to be interesting. The problem with the "bus" is the coming matchups. PSU and the West match up well against all 5 stops on the bus trip. Lewis was an oddball playing team last year...creating matchup problems. I do not see this this year...with the possible exception of IPFW. Instead of trying to copying west-coast team makeup...IPFW is alittle quirky. It is about time to start thinking of not only who comes out of the MIVA...but how well they can do against the other 3 in Hawaii. BTW...how are the block stats of IPFW on the road?
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Post by vballguy2001 on Mar 20, 2004 0:18:18 GMT -5
vballguy, I am not following you. I'm not disputing the fact that their average age is higher than most. That is a given. I'm saying that it is usually not an issue until BYU starts winning. Dude, I read no joke to "learn how to take," mine was said with a light heart as well. People need to quit interpreting my comments as "not taking a joke." Come on already. We are all doing it. We read something that we don't agree with and retaliate. I guess we all need to add in a smiley when we say something in jest because as obviously funny or non-offensive as we think something is, it obviously isn't. I'm sure I will get another dozen responses to this message as not being able to "take a joke," but when I read something on here I don't hear your tone of voice or laughter in the background--do your computers have that? If so where is the link so I can download the program? If you feel the urge to tell me to learn how to take a joke, just rephrase your comment so it really does sound like you are joking. I think it is a common opinion on this forum that you can't take a joke. I have read other posts in other topics. Also if you didn't get what i put up there, you don't just need to learn how to take a joke, but you need a sense of humor also.
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Post by Gorf on Mar 20, 2004 0:52:20 GMT -5
Hey you two! If I have to stop this thread to keep you two from each other's throats you know mom is gonna get ticked off!
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Post by cougarize on Mar 20, 2004 2:23:43 GMT -5
Good one cyberVBmidest! Cougar: If BYU's 2nd team is sooooo good, maybe you should play them against Lewis and GM when they are out next week. That would prove your meaningless point and settle this arguement once and for all. While your at it, maybe you should also play them against USC and UCSD, since they are probably in the same catagory as teams from the east. Without that occuring, it is impossible to prove your hypothesis now isn't it. ;D It's obviously not a popular comment on here MWF, but there is credence to it. BYU does not currently have the lineup it started the season with, and due to injury, has juggled its lineup. There are 12 players who contributed, many of whom have been significant in spots this season. BYU coach Tom Peterson is a pretty reserved guy when it comes to commenting on anything, but he has concurred that BYU's second team is better than most first teams in the country. That is why you see a guy like Pessoa come out like gang busters after several years as a libero/DS. There has esentially been very little adjustment period for him in becoming a very productive OH, because of what he went up against everyday in practice. Same goes for Batista. He came over just before the new year and look at how he's adjusted. Contrary to what some might believe, I'm not an Aaron Ferre fan. He's got bad footwork and looks really awkward out there, but the spurts of success he's had out on the court this year can be attributed to what he goes up against in practice. Jon Alleman a couple years ago slid into the lineup and has excelled because of that too. I can go on and on. I will tell you that, and I think vballguy2001 will agree because we've gotten into it before, but next year, and the year after, guys like Steffin Rangel and Taylor Evans will slide into the OH and OPP positions and excel right off the bat because of what they go through in practice everyday. It's difficult for people to comprehend the depth that BYU has. It's an impossibility at almost every school, especially a non-western school, and that's a fact. Getting back to the most important point and proving the so-called hypothesis, take BYU's first match vs. Ohio State, Jan. 23. Carlos Moreno did not play. It was backup Rob Nielson. BYU's MB had 14 kills with no errors between them. They were Cory Carpenter, who is now a backup and Victor Batista who was making his first collegiate start. On the outside it was Alleman who had an off night with only four kills, Nielson had more than him. Pessoa led all with 19 kills and Hillman had 10 -- both are current starters. Both of last year's starting MB's Mike Burke and Chris Gorny were out with injury. Burke's healthy now, but when Gorny gets back in a few weeks, where do you play him? Is he all of a sudden a second teamer? Sure the match wasn't a blowout, but it was a sweep on the road. The key was Nielson, who started his first match with what amounted to at the time as half a starting lineup. Until Burke came back at the end of February at 80%, which was after Gorny went out with his ankle injury, Batista suddenly became BYU's No. 1 MB. Pessoa turned an ankle in that time and was hobbling, but never missed time. It hasn't been a trouble-free season for BYU, but what is the team's winning streak at? This season has proven that BYU can win with the parts that is has on its team.
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Post by lalalaluuuke on Mar 20, 2004 4:19:57 GMT -5
I think it is a common opinion on this forum that you can't take a joke. I have read other posts in other topics. Also if you didn't get what i put up there, you don't just need to learn how to take a joke, but you need a sense of humor also. Let me guess, this is another joke I'm supposed to get too...Boy you are funny-ha ha ha...
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Post by midwestfan on Mar 20, 2004 9:36:10 GMT -5
VB: According to IPFW's stat people ;D , IPFW outblocked Irvine 5.5 to 3.5 (which according to Al Scates is the best blocking team in the west), went toe-to-toe with Northridge 13.5 to 13.5 and was outblocked by SB 9 to 11.5. Cougar: Puullleeeaaaase! You still haven't proven anything. If Peterson honestly believes that he has a second team that is better than most first teams, then play them against the likes of GM, Lewis and others. Don't just play individuals here and there, play the whole group. I don't fault you for being an enthusiastic supporter of your team, however, I still contend that unless BYU plays their second team, you cannot prove (other than in words) that they are that superior. Look, I'm not saying that they aren't very, very good, I am sure they are and what you are saying might possibly be true but until you can actually prove it, maybe you shouldn't be saying it. You (and Peterson) are entitled to your opinion(s). Ok, I've been debating about saying this and maybe shouldn't but here goes. I also think that when something like that is said it is really disrespecting a lot of very good programs that work really hard to try and field competitive teams. I could be wrong but I don't think you mean to do that. I'm glad that your team does really well (don't forget however, the times BYU has been at the low end of the volleyball food chain ;D ) but don't discount the lesser programs. All of the programs including NAIA, D3 and Community Colleges have something special to offer to men's volleyball. I am officially off my soap box!
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