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Post by Keystonekid on Oct 12, 2006 9:06:02 GMT -5
Yes, also I think Morrison is a great player and a 1st AA, sometimes the things players do on one level don't transfer over to another level, as the two require different skill sets. I personally don't like international volleyball, I find the skill level to be subpar, it is an attacker vs blocker game.
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Post by StuffU on Oct 12, 2006 9:07:20 GMT -5
I believe he was -- and, let me be clear, I respect his opinion. I'm just surprised that Morrison is viewed this way. I agree. I would take Morrison over Hampton, that's for sure. Yet Hampton has been training with the National team for some time now. I do think she would be GREAT on the beach though!
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Post by StuffU on Oct 12, 2006 9:10:01 GMT -5
Yes, also I think Morrison is a great player and a 1st AA, sometimes the things players do on one level don't transfer over to another level, as the two require different skill sets. I personally don't like international volleyball, I find the skill level to be subpar, it is an attacker vs blocker game. The only reason it is an attacker vs blocker game is because all of the other parts are solid. Passing and serving at the international level is in no way subpar ... which makes the attacking and blocking game that much more important. At the college level, the attack -v- block game is really only evident at the top level of the college scene. Otherwise, at the college level, it is still a serve and pass game ... they're not skilled enough for it to be just about the attacker -v- blocker game.
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Post by Keystonekid on Oct 12, 2006 9:36:23 GMT -5
The leftside vs leftside game requires less skill and ballhandling. I am not saying the international players lack skill, what I am saying is the finesse element and the rally's are greatly deminished, by the physical elements of the game. Take a look at the last group of college players who are playing internationally, Metcalf, Busse, Haneef, Oganna, etc...; none of them were known for their all around game, they were all net point scorers.
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Post by D. B. Cooper on Oct 12, 2006 9:44:48 GMT -5
To me volleyball is a game that can be overpowered. Take the mens' game. All power. They make the game look simplistic and to me boring. And to the same extent, top level womens' game is becoming the same way.
Probably sounds stupid and it doesn't help that I'm not the best at putting ideas into words.
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Post by bigtenfred on Oct 12, 2006 9:59:02 GMT -5
Walbridge was there with Fawcett this summer according to the PSU website.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2006 10:04:16 GMT -5
Metcalf was -- known for her all around game. But I still ask: isn't that what's wrong with Team USA? They are trying to win with players who are not all-around players.
Are you saying it would be worse?
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Post by highflyer on Oct 12, 2006 10:18:19 GMT -5
Hampton is not an international calibre player. Heck, she's not even a great NCAA player.
The international game requires you to be able to hit a high ball. If you can't do that and score, then chances of success are not great. This eliminates a great number of players.
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Post by VolleyTX on Oct 12, 2006 11:08:51 GMT -5
I'll have to disagree with you about the international game. I find the skill level to be many times higher than NCAA. The two best teams in the world right now, Brazil and China, are serious ball controll teams with very sophisticated offenses. Neither team runs "high ball" offense. To this list, we could add Japan and Korea. Russian, the ultimate in big banging, high hitting teams, is always successful, but they sure haven't finished first in many competitions (Usually top three).
For middles.... I really like Harmotto and Meriwether. Fast movers, good blockers and really good at hitting the very fast attack.
For Outsides.... Morrison... she has got a great all around game... but she would need to take all her skills to the next level to be good internationally. Barboza.... She will be a perfect outside for the US if they go with a quicker, diverse offense. Larson.... I like everything about her, but her hitting. She seems to be a pattern hitter that needs to be hitting the ball at a higher point of contact. Fawcett.... I do think her game can translate well to International play. She reminds me so much of Poland's Glinka. She hits the ball about as high as Nnamani... but she has better ball control. She will just have to learn different shots. Sure everyone likes to bang it inside the 10 foot line.... the shot is almost never open in International play. Hodge is a dark horse for me. The fact that she is playing all the way around over Fawcett tells me that Russ thinks she still has a lot of upside... which is scary.
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Post by foreignball on Oct 12, 2006 11:14:35 GMT -5
.....Take a look at the last group of college players who are playing internationally, Metcalf, Busse, Haneef, Oganna, etc...; none of them were known for their all around game, they were all net point scorers. Yes, this is correct but the question is have they been successful? I wouldn’t be surprised if the reason why coaches have fielded those players is just because when one can’t get whatever he thinks is the best he takes the best available. Side note: I in person would take Metcalf out of that croup. Although she is not at the level of Kilic, Piccinini, Swieniewicz or BRA’n OHs in reception and defense, she is quite decent all around even according to the international game ‘standards ‘.
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Post by foreignball on Oct 12, 2006 11:17:19 GMT -5
To me volleyball is a game that can be overpowered. Take the mens' game. All power. They make the game look simplistic and to me boring. And to the same extent, top level womens' game is becoming the same way. It doesn’t work exactly this way at least in the international vball….you look at the teams that have had best results and you will find out that not always the most powerful teams are the ones that finish on top. I wouldn’t name BRA, CHI, ITA (women) or BRA, SCG, ITA (men) the most powerful.
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Post by foreignball on Oct 12, 2006 11:31:12 GMT -5
....I personally don't like international volleyball, I find the skill level to be subpar, it is an attacker vs blocker game. If this is correct US must have been doing great internationally .....because IMO they are the most athletic team (together with RUS and CUB, of course).
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Post by sIsam on Oct 12, 2006 11:43:52 GMT -5
I personally don't like international volleyball, I find the skill level to be subpar, it is an attacker vs blocker game. I think you are confusing (or equating) skill with athleticism and physical superiority(power)....
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Post by Pirate VB Fan on Oct 12, 2006 11:53:28 GMT -5
I will admit that I spend very little time thinking about or watching international volleyball, so this may be a stupid question:
If I remember correctly (and I may not) you only get 6 substitutions in international rules. With that limitted number of substitutions, don't you have to have all-around outsides that can hit with power, block AND play back-row?
If that premise is correct, then there are few (if any) NCAA players that fit that pattern better than Christal Morrison.
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Post by sIsam on Oct 12, 2006 11:55:54 GMT -5
The leftside vs leftside game requires less skill and ballhandling. I am not saying the international players lack skill, what I am saying is the finesse element and the rally's are greatly deminished, by the physical elements of the game. Take a look at the last group of college players who are playing internationally, Metcalf, Busse, Haneef, Oganna, etc...; none of them were known for their all around game, they were all net point scorers. Leftside vs leftside game is a thing of the past for many of the top international teams. With the hiring of Caprara, even Russia is moving away from this kind of a playing system let alone the others... You would be surprised at the amount of defense that most of the top teams play and the rallies we get to enjoy. I've seen Gamova being dug 3-4 times in a row in one rally or seen many a 45-pt set that lasts over 30mins... In addition, none of the above players, even Metcalf, are dominant players at the international level.
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