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Post by 2c on Nov 12, 2006 18:00:36 GMT -5
"You'll get no argument from me that MVC should have more teams in the tournament than the ACC or the BigWest this year. " Would that be because the Pablo conference ranking for the MVC is 138 and for the Big West is 79? It sure seems like the MVC should get more teams in. It's definitly a much stronger conference. You're right, they both have 3 teams that are worthy. Should have said "at least as many as". My bad.
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Post by reiker21 on Nov 12, 2006 20:06:04 GMT -5
I thought Oregon had to have a win against one of the remaining teams they play to be eligible.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Nov 12, 2006 20:12:14 GMT -5
I thought Oregon had to have a win against one of the remaining teams they play to be eligible. I'm pretty sure they can lose out and have an overall .500 + record. I think they need a win to show that they haven't "given up" on the season and can do some damage in the tournament.
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Post by 2c on Nov 12, 2006 20:26:57 GMT -5
I thought Oregon had to have a win against one of the remaining teams they play to be eligible. If they lose out they'll be 17-11 and 7-11 in Pac10. With the Pac10 having 4 Top 10 teams and another Top20 team it is completely acceptable/expected to have 10 conf losses so 7-11 won't be that bad of a mark considering the strength of their conf especially since ASU is also such a strong Tournament candidate if they have a winning record. Even the 7 match losing streak is probably acceptable considering 5 of those matches are against Top 20 teams. Ariz loss is damaging but at least it was on the road in 5. Wins over fellow bubble team that is nearly a lock, LBSU and Top25 California are what make them another nearly absolute lock regardless of how the finsh out. (in my opinion )
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Post by LadyLiberty on Nov 12, 2006 20:39:33 GMT -5
Was Wichita State's schedule that much tougher than Missouri State's?
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Post by IdahoBoy on Nov 12, 2006 20:49:55 GMT -5
Was Wichita State's schedule that much tougher than Missouri State's? Good question... I know that UNI's was pretty solid, let's check. Of note, Wichita State played:Eastern Washington (3-0 W) Illinois (3-2 W) North Carolina (2-3 L) <-noted because its BAD Oral Roberts (1-3 L) <-Pablo 45 In conference, split with Missouri State and lost twice to UNI, once to Creighton. Of note, Missouri State played:Texas A&M (0-3 L) Colorado State (3-2 W) Utah (0-3 L) Oral Roberts (0-3 L) <-Pablo 45 In conference, Lost 2xs to UNI, split with Wichita State. The issue with MSU's schedule is about 6-teams with 200+ rankings and a 13 with 100+ rankings. No BAD losses though, just a few disappointments. Of note, Northern Iowa played:Purdue (0-3 L) Clemson (3-2 W) G-Tech (3-2 L) <- BAD loss (83 Pablo) K-State (1-3 L) <- bad loss Alabama (3-2 W) Notre Dame (3-2 W) Minnesota (1-3 L) In conference, Wichita State beat them 2xs. I rate these three the following against the NCAA:1 Northern Iowa 2 Missouri State 3 Wichita State
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Post by LadyLiberty on Nov 12, 2006 21:15:38 GMT -5
90Idaho Boy,
trust me, I know little between the differences between pablo and RKPI. I feel that UNI is the team to beat in 'The Valley'.
i did look at the RPKI for Missouri State and Wichita State. MSU's average loss is 43 RPKI WSU's average loss is 90 RPKI
outside of their conference Wichita State did not play a team ranked 25-50 RPKI MSU played 2.
Wichita State lost 2 games with an RPKI over 101 MSU had no losses to Teams with an RPKI over 101
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Post by IdahoBoy on Nov 12, 2006 21:18:32 GMT -5
One thing that would be VERY bad for these three teams is if Oral Roberts does NOT win their conference auto-bid. Their recent wins over WSU and MSU would be just enough to keep ALL of those teams out, I think, in the eyes of the NCAA.
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Post by LadyLiberty on Nov 12, 2006 21:29:35 GMT -5
Well, 'The Valley' will have one heck of a conference tournament in a couple of weeks! LET THE GAMES BEGIN!
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Post by reiker21 on Nov 13, 2006 0:41:25 GMT -5
With the remaining four games Oregon faces top programs with UCLA. USC, Cal and Stanford. Arizona State has WSU & Arizona , two teams they have already beaten earlier in the season. They also took USC to 5 earlier in the season. Season wins for Oregon and ASU should be the same by the end of the season unless Oregon beats one of the top ranked teams.
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Post by Xplaya on Nov 15, 2006 2:16:11 GMT -5
Virginia has a nice looking overall record but no impressive wins. Loss to fellow bubble teams Tenn and Michigan hurts. Same with Clemson, has no good wins either but has losses to NoIowa and USC(SoCar) that hurt. Although GaTech will finish lower in the ACC, they maybe the best bet for a 2nd conf team in the tournament win their wins over Northern Iowa and Duke. Could come down to how these 3 do head-to-head to finish the season in getting a single bid. GT just beat Clemson in 5 their 7th straight W and 10th out of their last 12. It's gonna be tight, but they are making a case for bubble consideration
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Post by IdahoBoy on Nov 15, 2006 3:49:39 GMT -5
I don't have any history "promoting" the ACC. I do, kind of like Georgia Tech, but I really don't see how they are going to do more than verge on bubble consideration.
Currently, even with the win over 3rd place Clemson (which probably keeps tigers home), G-Tech is in 5th place in the ACC.
The are just a smidgeon above .500 in the ACC, which is anything but a power conference.
I think finishing 10 of 12 is great for this young team (2-Fr, 6-So, 3-Jr, 1-Sr), but hey... chalk it up to experience and let getting kinda close, sorta, be a fire for them to excel next season.
ACC will be lucky to get Virginia in along with Duke, in my eyes.
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Nov 15, 2006 4:02:04 GMT -5
too bad the ACC did away w/their conference tournament. GTech could have put their hot streak to good use by winning the auto bid in the tournament. ... maybe ...
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Post by 2c on Nov 15, 2006 4:12:32 GMT -5
I don't have any history "promoting" the ACC. I do, kind of like Georgia Tech, but I really don't see how they are going to do more than verge on bubble consideration. Currently, even with the win over 3rd place Clemson (which probably keeps tigers home), G-Tech is in 5th place in the ACC. The are just a smidgeon above .500 in the ACC, which is anything but a power conference. I think finishing 10 of 12 is great for this young team (2-Fr, 6-So, 3-Jr, 1-Sr), but hey... chalk it up to experience and let getting kinda close, sorta, be a fire for them to excel next season. ACC will be lucky to get Virginia in along with Duke, in my eyes. So if GTech wins out including a win over Virginia, that'll make it a very difficult decision. Take only Duke. Take Duke and 2nd place ACC which would probably be Virginia. Take Duke and 4th place ACC GTech since they have some quality wins over NoIowa and Duke. Don't see Virginia winning out with Duke, @clemson, @gtech all left. I'm guessing it's Duke and GTech or only Duke.
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Post by Xplaya on Nov 15, 2006 9:17:38 GMT -5
I don't have any history "promoting" the ACC. I do, kind of like Georgia Tech, but I really don't see how they are going to do more than verge on bubble consideration. Currently, even with the win over 3rd place Clemson (which probably keeps tigers home), G-Tech is in 5th place in the ACC. The are just a smidgeon above .500 in the ACC, which is anything but a power conference. I think finishing 10 of 12 is great for this young team (2-Fr, 6-So, 3-Jr, 1-Sr), but hey... chalk it up to experience and let getting kinda close, sorta, be a fire for them to excel next season. ACC will be lucky to get Virginia in along with Duke, in my eyes. So if GTech wins out including a win over Virginia, that'll make it a very difficult decision. Take only Duke. Take Duke and 2nd place ACC which would probably be Virginia. Take Duke and 4th place ACC GTech since they have some quality wins over NoIowa and Duke. Don't see Virginia winning out with Duke, @clemson, @gtech all left. I'm guessing it's Duke and GTech or only Duke. I agree with 2c, if GT wins out it's gonna give the committee something to think about. As previously stated, GT has the best quality wins and will have won 11 straight, which the commitee takes into acount, but alot will be determined on what the teams above them do. It HAS happened before where a team finishing lower in the conference standings leapfrogs a team (not sure, wasn't that the case for Kansas over Iowa St last year?) interesting home stretch.
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