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Post by pedro el leon on Dec 14, 2006 2:59:56 GMT -5
not to mention, Thompson only has 9 service errors to 29 aces. no other setter (or player for that matter) can claim to have an aces to errors ratio like that. In fact, I think over her career, CT has over 3 times as many aces as service errors, you could just add more "total points" for that.
so if you include aces to errors, I bet CT has more "points" per game then Spicer too...
Actually I just looked it up, Spicer has 21 aces to 23 errors, so she actually goes down in points off serves.
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Post by bucky415 on Dec 14, 2006 3:08:04 GMT -5
I think all the setters here are very good. Spicer is the most fun to watch, but she could take her team down by trying to make too many nearly impossible sets (she will get away with it at times because she is so good, though). I think Thompson is probably the best right now, though. It is impressive that she has both middles hitting just insane percentages. Since this is her last chance to win a(nother) title, she might also have a little extra motivation. While she is probably a player who you like a lot if she is on your team and not so much if she isn't, she is really good.
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Post by cdizzle on Dec 14, 2006 3:09:13 GMT -5
That's an amazing ratio by Thompson. I was talking to a top men's volleyball coach and he was telling me how amazing it was that Barboza has a nearly 1:1 ratio of aces to errors (I think it's decreased a little bit recently, but it's still very good), and that as a general rule a good, hard jump serve will have a 1:3 ratio of aces to errors, because the effect of a great jump serve is to disrupt the other teams passing, and the points you gain from giving your offense a better chance to terminate makes up for the lost serving points. Mind you, I believe Thompson's serve is a floater, but still very impressive!
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Post by pedro el leon on Dec 14, 2006 3:16:49 GMT -5
^Thompson has a jump floater(she had a great jump serve her freshman and part of her sophmore season as well). She could hit a dime she is so precise and can disrupt a team by putting it where ever she wants. And her occasional jump lollypop(inherited from Tomasevic) seriously confuses teams at times, it's actually quite funny.
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Post by kolohekeiki on Dec 14, 2006 4:25:17 GMT -5
Kanoe actually has a pretty good service ratio. This season she had 24 aces to 13 errors. Not as great as Courtney's, but Kanoe has been a great consistant server over her career. She has a nice float serve that was consistant that sometimes caused passing problems.
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Dec 14, 2006 4:26:53 GMT -5
Kanoe actually has a pretty good service ratio. This season she had 24 aces to 13 errors. Not as great as Courtney's, but Kanoe has been a great consistant server over her career. She has a nice float serve that was consistant that sometimes caused passing problems. she served 11 straight in the 5th against USC!
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Post by fritzer5849 on Dec 14, 2006 7:40:43 GMT -5
during that season I would bet money that May, Bremner and Nepo finished first, 2nd and 3rd in POY voting in that order. Ahh, you have to put Cacciamani in there somewhere. I think Walsh, Bown and Manz all finished higher than Cacciamani in 98. Cacciamani was relatively quiet compared to the 1998 championship and 1999 season....sort of like how Bremner was more quiet in 99 than she was in 97 or 98, but was still a first team AA.
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Post by ESTRELLA on Dec 14, 2006 11:58:14 GMT -5
Setters.....would you pick any four of them? Most likely and they will do a good job for your team. My input as I see it is: Thompson: Already won a Championship and is the most conservative setter of the bunch. Does not make bad decisions. Not flashy, but very consistent. Not a consistent middle setter. Kehoe: Best athelete of all of them. Has won a Championship and can get to any ball. Very accurate but sometimes does not make the right choice. Spicer: Very athletic and flashy.....that is why people may like her. Runs the middle well, but by being to "stylistic" is when she hurts her team. Halloway: very quick and can deliver the ball to any location she wants. I still think that she does not set with the flow of the game and instead goes with a pre-determined set before the play developes. One little habit that needs to be broken before she can be considered with the above three. ESTRELLA
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Post by Keystonekid on Dec 14, 2006 14:45:27 GMT -5
Each team has not a good setter, but a great one. They all have slight differences, but the one thing they share in common, is that they are all great competitors. I love that. Keep in mind Holloway is 3 years younger than thompson and two younger than Kehoe and Spicer.
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Post by cdizzle on Dec 14, 2006 14:46:50 GMT -5
Spicer is a sophomore.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Dec 14, 2006 14:48:01 GMT -5
Estrella, try not to inhale next time.
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Post by GatorVball on Dec 14, 2006 15:34:06 GMT -5
I looked up some per-game statistics because I wanted to put uj's praise of Kehoe in perspective. Setter | Assists | Kills | Blocks | Aces | Total 'points' | Digs | Kehoe | 13.28 | 0.99 | 0.78 | 0.20 | 15.25 | 2.86 | Spicer | 13.66 | 1.11 | 0.75 | 0.18 | 15.70 | 2.46 | Holloway | 13.39 | 1.12 | 0.54 | 0.20 | 15.25 | 2.50 | Thompson | 14.70 | 0.24 | 0.46 | 0.25 | 15.65 | 2.50 | --- | Kamana'o | 13.31 | 0.54 | 0.96 | 0.21 | 15.02 | 2.41 |
If Kehoe is "the real deal" as a blocker, then so is Spicer. Since someone mentioned Kamana'o, yes she's another level up from the setters in the final four. A table like this CANNOT measure the intangibles. But in terms of the things you can measure, it's Spicer that has a very slight edge in the number of points you can attribute to her in each game. Courtney leads in assists; the others make up for it in kills. You could say that they choose to set themselves more often than Thompson, and they do it effectively. But the thing that struck me is that aside from that one difference in where they excel, when you try to put the things you can measure together to get an idea of their overall contribution, they're very close. I guess that's what you get when you compare four All-Americans, huh? I thought I'd throw in McGinnis, since people continue to dog on her and many claim she doesn't deserve 1st team honors. Sorry, I'm not adept at tables, but these are her numbers, in order listed above. 13.23, 1.55, 1.05, .24, 16.07, 2.65 Based on numbers, she more than deserves her honor.
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Post by Reach on Dec 14, 2006 15:38:52 GMT -5
Yeah, but who has the best back up setter? What if an injury occurs....
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Post by GatorVball on Dec 14, 2006 15:41:27 GMT -5
Yeah, but who has the best back up setter? What if an injury occurs.... Probably Nebraska
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Post by Keystonekid on Dec 14, 2006 15:45:50 GMT -5
Mcginnis deserves it, she is a stud player. I know USA Volleyball is very high on her.
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