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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Dec 15, 2006 14:08:41 GMT -5
Kehoe has taken the John Dunning approach of surrounding herself with great player to appear more talented than she really is.
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Post by hammer on Dec 15, 2006 14:11:01 GMT -5
Kehoe is the most overrated setter in the country. Gorf could set Stanford to a National title. And so could I, but when you're 6'5" and got a 36" vertical playing on a women's net -- well, you get the idea.
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Post by ESTRELLA on Dec 15, 2006 14:12:58 GMT -5
Kehoe has taken the John Dunning approach of surrounding herself with great player to appear more talented than she really is. Just like in HS and Club....hmm wonder why I found in the dictionary what BIK stood for. Start traveling and watching some games....then talk! News flash.....BIK has been hired by President Bush to lead his current media relations cabinet. ESTRELLA
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Post by PukaPants on Dec 15, 2006 14:20:43 GMT -5
Oh daaaang, ESTRELLA just laid the smack down on BIK's smack talk! LOL
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Post by UJ on Dec 15, 2006 15:31:12 GMT -5
Short man's complex, BiK? Balding a problem? Maybe you are suffering from a reliance on a little blue pill?
Honestly, BiK, you are vindictive, jealous, and you do not know of what you speak (type). And if I were a lesser man, what I would........
ESTRELLA - I have followed Bryn's career and kept my mouth shut. Win or lose tomorrow, I'm sick and tired of the lack of respect she gets. However, she is a giraffee and can see for miles. You know what I mean.
Go CARDINAL ( Not the birds, BiK)
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Post by Murina on Dec 15, 2006 17:20:39 GMT -5
I've been watching Kehoe since she set the World Championships in Turkey. At that time I stated on this board that she was not very good. Based on what I saw in the NCAA semi-final I would take exception to ESTRELLA's assertion that nothing about her has changed. The Kehoe I saw in the semi v. Washington was far superior to the one in Turkey. The "new" Kehoe plays much more in control, and sets with much better location. She still has plenty of room to improve (sets hitters who aren't there to often still), but everyone does. The best thing she did in Turkey is still the best thing she does now - plays her ass off! This is a quality of all the setters in this thread but to me Kehoe stands out. I think Kehoe has improved dramatically at setting in the last year or so. The best way for a setter to do a lot of winning is to choose the best teammates which Kehoe has proven that she's very good at. In my book, this is a point in her favor, not against her! If I was going to coach the USA NT for the next 10 years, I would invite all of the setters in this thread to camp as they all have quite a bit of potential. My best guess as to how they would eventually stack up would be: 1. Kamana'o 2. McGinnis 3. Kehoe (a big leap up in my rankings ) 4. Spicer (on potential because Thompson is much better now) 5. Thompson I haven't seen enough of Holloway to form an opinion. I liked the parts of the UCLA match that I saw enough.
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Post by LanaiBoy on Dec 16, 2006 3:06:09 GMT -5
I've been watching Kehoe since she set the World Championships in Turkey. At that time I stated on this board that she was not very good. Based on what I saw in the NCAA semi-final I would take exception to ESTRELLA's assertion that nothing about her has changed. The Kehoe I saw in the semi v. Washington was far superior to the one in Turkey. The "new" Kehoe plays much more in control, and sets with much better location. She still has plenty of room to improve (sets hitters who aren't there to often still), but everyone does. The best thing she did in Turkey is still the best thing she does now - plays her ass off! This is a quality of all the setters in this thread but to me Kehoe stands out. I think Kehoe has improved dramatically at setting in the last year or so. The best way for a setter to do a lot of winning is to choose the best teammates which Kehoe has proven that she's very good at. In my book, this is a point in her favor, not against her! If I was going to coach the USA NT for the next 10 years, I would invite all of the setters in this thread to camp as they all have quite a bit of potential. My best guess as to how they would eventually stack up would be: 1. Kamana'o 2. McGinnis 3. Kehoe (a big leap up in my rankings ) 4. Spicer (on potential because Thompson is much better now) 5. Thompson I haven't seen enough of Holloway to form an opinion. I liked the parts of the UCLA match that I saw enough. As a Kamana'o fan I am glad to see her name on top of your list. Practically every coach that comes in to Stan Sheriff Center agrees with you. They point out that she has the same combination of athleticism and highly developed volleyball skills that Robin Ah Mow brought to the USA national team during the past decade. The fact that McGinnis has a blocking average of 1.05 per game shows her all-around skills and athleticism. I disagree with the ranking of Spicer though; she is an amazing setter to watch; she has lightning quick reflexes and I love her ability to convert bad passes to hittable balls. It is a wonder that four of the United State's best setters, Misty May, Kamana'o, Ah Mow, and Lindsey Berg are all short, about the same height, 5-8.
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Post by xyz on Dec 16, 2006 12:44:19 GMT -5
In this discussion, I am surprised that in my opinion two very important criteria are not being considered as part of the mix. It seems to me that arguably the main goal of volleyball is winning. Why is winning percentage not being considered? You can say someone blocks more, gets better passes, or does not set the middle enough but isn't winning the ultimate determination of the best? Most of these setters can choose the school that they attend. They should be given credit for choosing a school that they can contribute and compete to win games. Isn't that why we have a 64 team play-off? At the least it should not be left out.
Secondly, I would think a team's hitting average would be a very valuable criteria to include in this discussion. A setter's decisions about who to set most often in mere seconds based upon matchups contributes significantly to a team's hitting averages. It would be interesting to see how the setters mentioned above and other setters would compare with these criteria included and given their proper weight. Or perhaps I can be convinced by some of you why such criteria are of so little value as to be totally omitted.
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Post by blastingsand on Dec 16, 2006 13:52:31 GMT -5
As a Kamana'o fan I am glad to see her name on top of your list. Practically every coach that comes in to Stan Sheriff Center agrees with you. They point out that she has the same combination of athleticism and highly developed volleyball skills that Robin Ah Mow brought to the USA national team during the past decade. The fact that McGinnis has a blocking average of 1.05 per game shows her all-around skills and athleticism. I disagree with the ranking of Spicer though; she is an amazing setter to watch; she has lightning quick reflexes and I love her ability to convert bad passes to hittable balls. It is a wonder that four of the United State's best setters, Misty May, Kamana'o, Ah Mow, and Lindsey Berg are all short, about the same height, 5-8. Misty is like 5'10 like Nellie Spicer. However Courtney T of Washington is also 5'8. There have been some great setters in college, I'm surprised that we haven't gotten more of them to come to the national team.
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Post by nodisrespect on Dec 16, 2006 17:01:05 GMT -5
Kehoe is just the cutest thing.
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Post by Keystonekid on Dec 16, 2006 17:58:44 GMT -5
I'm not sure Kehoe suffers from a lack of respect. She was HS POY, USAV MVP, starter and Captain of YNT,JNT, National Champion and AA. Some may think others are better, but she isn't lacking in respect with the exception of some on this board. She is probably the most decorated player in the history of girls amateur vb, particularly in the one and only stat that matters. WINNING!
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Post by Murina on Dec 16, 2006 18:25:38 GMT -5
snip...I disagree with the ranking of Spicer though; she is an amazing setter to watch; she has lightning quick reflexes and I love her ability to convert bad passes to hittable balls. It is a wonder that four of the United State's best setters, Misty May, Kamana'o, Ah Mow, and Lindsey Berg are all short, about the same height, 5-8. Spicer is talented but still has quite a ways to go (they all do). She is bad behind, and struggles connecting with the quick sets. Spicer is younger than the others in this thread so I'm sure that will improve (hense her ranking above Thompson who is far superior in both aspects). Besides, it's just a guess. 6 years from now Spicer may be the best of all of them - or they all may be forgotten for even better players... USA also won the siver in the 2002 WCH with another 5'8" ish setter: Jen Flynn. The two best setters in the world right now are both about 5'7" (Fofao and LoBianco). Fofao really should have won the WCH this year but her coach made a boneheaded tactical error.
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Post by blastingsand on Dec 17, 2006 0:06:35 GMT -5
So will any of these setters go to the US team? If they do, who can help the team the most?
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Post by Murina on Dec 17, 2006 1:29:15 GMT -5
So will any of these setters go to the US team? If they do, who can help the team the most? None of them can help the team right now. Give them a couple of years and my guess is above.
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Post by brybry on Dec 17, 2006 3:41:32 GMT -5
I would love to see Spicer go on to the National Team, however it's so unlikely the US would allow her to run a speedy offense. The US might as well just look at McGinnis and Kanoe for 2008. I think Thompson and Kehoe are very similar. They both play w/ such intensity. They are tenacious on defense but I'm not sure if they have the best set location to the outside.
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