Final Four: The Setters

[OverAndUnder]

I would like to see cumulative numbers for McGinnis ONLY from games against top 20 opponents.

[cdizzle]

If you're going to do that analysis you might as well restrict all of the teams to that criteria. Most of the top teams played less than half of their schedule against top-25 opponents.

[Pirate VB Fan]

tyorder1 said:

Yeah, but who has the best back up setter? What if an injury occurs....

Actually, I would say UW with Tamari Miyashiro. The only problem would be she would be limited until the next game.

[Ye Olde Dawg]

Not Tama. She's been focusing on libero this year and not mixing setter duties in. I don't even think she's done the setter drills. She might have the talent, but she'd have to re-orient herself before she could play at setter in a match, and that would take time.

[OverAndUnder]

cdizzle said:

If you're going to do that analysis you might as well restrict all of the teams to that criteria. Most of the top teams played less than half of their schedule against top-25 opponents.

Yes, obviously you're right, if I were making a comparison with the other setters mentioned. But I am strictly interested in how Angie has fared against top 20 teams because those are the teams I know well - Pac10 Big10 Big12. I know very little about the SEC teams outside the top 20, which is almost the whole conference. It makes it hard to get perspective on her numbers.

[ESTRELLA]

barefootinkailua said:

Estrella, try not to inhale next time.

Bik,
are you related to that great one that said" I did not have with that women". At least I inhale.

I know.....I found in the webster dictionary that Bik stands for:

BIG INGNORAMUS KARCASS.....YES WITH A K!

Estrella

[cbrown1709]

I guess Kehoe proved herself tonite. She is Stanfords success.

[Wolfgang]

Anyone else think Kehoe changed a lot since high school? I'm still amazed by the striking changes. That's a different girl out there, I tell you.

Sssshhh...ringer.

[ESTRELLA]

wolfgang said:

Anyone else think Kehoe changed a lot since high school? I'm still amazed by the striking changes. That's a different girl out there, I tell you.

Sssshhh...ringer.

Wolfie,
she has been playing like that since HS. She been winning since HS and is the most competetive setter since HS. Looking at all the setters last night it was obviuos who is the best. SHE HAS NOT CHANGED at all...it is that those from west coast land CAN'T ACCEPT that a Midwest setter is the best in college!

Thompson did not lead at all (well the passing of Washington is avg anyway), bust she could have done a better job when she did get a good pass.

Spicer was ok but in critical plays she did not deliver the rock. Go back to the last couple of chances in game four that UCLA was digging Nebraskas shorts (yeah they are spandex now). They were getting the ball to target.....she could not get the hitters a chance for a good swing.

Halloway just throw the ball up for those three main studs she has in Pavan, Larson and the big middle. Still when the ball was close to out of system she went very conservative (corner sets) allowing UCLA to be in the match the entire time.

Kehoe even when she was getting passes out of system she was still able to get the ball back into system. The middles were fed all night long! Remember that Stanford does not pass very well. If Barboza or Nji do not touch the ball Kehoe was getting on her skates.

Did you see what I saw? Nji was the most consitent player on the floor. She passed very well, dug like nobody and I can't recall of any errors coming from her. She showed her true stuff. If I was coach I would put on that funny jersey on her and get Fishburn of the court.

ESTRELLA

[LanaiBoy]

estrella said:

wolfgang said:

Anyone else think Kehoe changed a lot since high school? I'm still amazed by the striking changes. That's a different girl out there, I tell you.

Sssshhh...ringer.

Wolfie,
she has been playing like that since HS. She been winning since HS and is the most competetive setter since HS. Looking at all the setters last night it was obviuos who is the best. SHE HAS NOT CHANGED at all...it is that those from west coast land CAN'T ACCEPT that a Midwest setter is the best in college!

Thompson did not lead at all (well the passing of Washington is avg anyway), bust she could have done a better job when she did get a good pass.

Spicer was ok but in critical plays she did not deliver the rock. Go back to the last couple of chances in game four that UCLA was digging Nebraskas shorts (yeah they are spandex now). They were getting the ball to target.....she could not get the hitters a chance for a good swing.

Halloway just throw the ball up for those three main studs she has in Pavan, Larson and the big middle. Still when the ball was close to out of system she went very conservative (corner sets) allowing UCLA to be in the match the entire time.

Kehoe even when she was getting passes out of system she was still able to get the ball back into system. The middles were fed all night long! Remember that Stanford does not pass very well. If Barboza or Nji do not touch the ball Kehoe was getting on her skates.

Did you see what I saw? Nji was the most consitent player on the floor. She passed very well, dug like nobody and I can't recall of any errors coming from her. She showed her true stuff. If I was coach I would put on that funny jersey on her and get Fishburn of the court.

ESTRELLA

Volleyball is a team game. A setter may look all-world if her team is serving and passing well. If they are not, the best setter can look middling. That's why you have to look at all the matches, great wins and bad losses to gain a true perspective on the worth of a setter. Thompson and Spicer obviously impressed because they both made 1st team All-American. Don't get carried away on Kehoe just because her team won easily. I have read posters stating that she had miserable setting matches and was harshly criticized, particularly the USC game. Would you have judged her on those few bad games only? If you don't take a broad perspective, you will sound like a homer. My team and everyone on it is the best.

[saywho]

estrella said:

wolfgang said:

Anyone else think Kehoe changed a lot since high school? I'm still amazed by the striking changes. That's a different girl out there, I tell you.

Sssshhh...ringer.

Wolfie,
she has been playing like that since HS. She been winning since HS and is the most competetive setter since HS. Looking at all the setters last night it was obviuos who is the best. SHE HAS NOT CHANGED at all...it is that those from west coast land CAN'T ACCEPT that a Midwest setter is the best in college!

Thompson did not lead at all (well the passing of Washington is avg anyway), bust she could have done a better job when she did get a good pass.

Spicer was ok but in critical plays she did not deliver the rock. Go back to the last couple of chances in game four that UCLA was digging Nebraskas shorts (yeah they are spandex now). They were getting the ball to target.....she could not get the hitters a chance for a good swing.

Halloway just throw the ball up for those three main studs she has in Pavan, Larson and the big middle. Still when the ball was close to out of system she went very conservative (corner sets) allowing UCLA to be in the match the entire time.

Kehoe even when she was getting passes out of system she was still able to get the ball back into system. The middles were fed all night long! Remember that Stanford does not pass very well. If Barboza or Nji do not touch the ball Kehoe was getting on her skates.

Did you see what I saw? Nji was the most consitent player on the floor. She passed very well, dug like nobody and I can't recall of any errors coming from her. She showed her true stuff. If I was coach I would put on that funny jersey on her and get Fishburn of the court.

ESTRELLA

I agree Kehoe was by far the best setter last night. It was sad to see Courtney have a relatively poor showing in her last match -- she did do a lot for that program. Holloway progressed as the nigth went on actually, and she made some good decisions down the stretch. Spicer...Spicer ... Spicer ... normally I love this girl, but she did make poor decisions there at the end. Nana had been taken out of the match, and the outsides were banging it better, yet she went to Nana to tie it up and I think it was the wrong decision. But yes, Kehoe distributed the ball evenly last night. She established the middle from the get go which really open it up for the outsides. She did a phenomenal job. I also gives props to Nji Nnamani. Her defense has started to improve greatly throughout the season. She had GREAT hitter coverage last night and picked up some nice balls that were blocked. I am not too fond of her serve receive so I wouldn't put her in as a libero ... but then again Fishburns serve receive leaves much to be desired too. However, if they all play and pass like they did last night, then they will be fine because Kehoe will be able to get them a lot of one on one looks and we have the terminators to put the ball away one on one.

[Barefoot In Kailua]

Kehoe is the most overrated setter in the country. Gorf could set Stanford to a National title.

[ESTRELLA]

barefootinkailua said:

Kehoe is the most overrated setter in the country. Gorf could set Stanford to a National title.

BIK showing is his grey material abilities again! Now can I ask you what you inhaled??

Estrella

[Barefoot In Kailua]

estrella said:

barefootinkailua said:

Kehoe is the most overrated setter in the country. Gorf could set Stanford to a National title.

BIK showing is his grey material abilities again! Now can I ask you what you inhaled??

Estrella

I imbibed a nice glass of Merlot this morning, thank you. I didn't inhale anything so you needn't worry about sharing.

[ESTRELLA]

lanaiboy said:

estrella said:

Wolfie,
she has been playing like that since HS. She been winning since HS and is the most competetive setter since HS. Looking at all the setters last night it was obviuos who is the best. SHE HAS NOT CHANGED at all...it is that those from west coast land CAN'T ACCEPT that a Midwest setter is the best in college!

Thompson did not lead at all (well the passing of Washington is avg anyway), bust she could have done a better job when she did get a good pass.

Spicer was ok but in critical plays she did not deliver the rock. Go back to the last couple of chances in game four that UCLA was digging Nebraskas shorts (yeah they are spandex now). They were getting the ball to target.....she could not get the hitters a chance for a good swing.

Halloway just throw the ball up for those three main studs she has in Pavan, Larson and the big middle. Still when the ball was close to out of system she went very conservative (corner sets) allowing UCLA to be in the match the entire time.

Kehoe even when she was getting passes out of system she was still able to get the ball back into system. The middles were fed all night long! Remember that Stanford does not pass very well. If Barboza or Nji do not touch the ball Kehoe was getting on her skates.

Did you see what I saw? Nji was the most consitent player on the floor. She passed very well, dug like nobody and I can't recall of any errors coming from her. She showed her true stuff. If I was coach I would put on that funny jersey on her and get Fishburn of the court.

ESTRELLA

Volleyball is a team game. A setter may look all-world if her team is serving and passing well. If they are not, the best setter can look middling. That's why you have to look at all the matches, great wins and bad losses to gain a true perspective on the worth of a setter. Thompson and Spicer obviously impressed because they both made 1st team All-American. Don't get carried away on Kehoe just because her team won easily. I have read posters stating that she had miserable setting matches and was harshly criticized, particularly the USC game. Would you have judged her on those few bad games only? If you don't take a broad perspective, you will sound like a homer. My team and everyone on it is the best.

lanaiboy,
I will agree with you 100% that volleyball is a team sport and setter may look all-world if her team is serving and passing well. The kicker of all this is that people have been throwing shots at Kehoe since she played in HS/Club about many things, but guess what.....she still finds a way to win!

HS State Champion, National Club Champion and DI National Champion. Is it because she is playing with the best players??? Maybe or maybe not, but the same question is to be begged for the other setters and if they come up with the same as Kehoe then we are talking.

One observation (and hopefully you were watching the match last night).....I stated that Stanford's passing was avg last night but SHE was able to get them back into system and do what they did. Of the other three they also went thru the spell (in fact Washington's passing was as horrible as the Chicago Bears QB Grossman) of bad passes, but none showed the ability to better the ball like Kehoe did and has done her entire carrer.

No homer....matches speak for themselves and last night was another testimony of her abilities. Even if the GRAND BIK does not agree! ;D

ESTRELLA