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Post by fritzer5849 on Dec 13, 2006 19:25:09 GMT -5
All 4 have AA setters: Thompson-First team Spicer-First team Kehoe-2nd Team Holloway-3rd Team
A freshman, a sophomore, a junior and a senior. The freshman has the best OH/RS combo in the nation to set, the sophomore has the best middle blocker in the nation, the junior has three AA hitters to set, and the senior has 3 AAs also(2 middle blockers, and the Pac-10 POY OH).
Last time I can remember when there were 4 AA setters at the final four was in 1998 with May, Bremner, Nepo and Sanchez...during that season I would bet money that May, Bremner and Nepo finished first, 2nd and 3rd in POY voting in that order(although everybody knew Misty had the award locked up).
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Post by Mix Breed-TEXAS,HI,LBSU on Dec 13, 2006 19:30:13 GMT -5
All 4 have AA setters: Thompson-First team Spicer-First team Kehoe-2nd Team Holloway-3rd Team A freshman, a sophomore, a junior and a senior. The freshman has the best OH/RS combo in the nation to set, the sophomore has the best middle blocker in the nation, the junior has three AA hitters to set, and the senior has 3 AAs also(2 middle blockers, and the Pac-10 POY OH). Last time I can remember when there were 4 AA setters at the final four was in 1998 with May, Bremner, Nepo and Sanchez...during that season I would bet money that May, Bremner and Nepo finished first, 2nd and 3rd in POY voting in that order(although everybody knew Misty had the award locked up). Nebraska's Fiona Nepo should have won that award...........at least that's what I think.
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Post by fritzer5849 on Dec 13, 2006 19:43:06 GMT -5
All 4 have AA setters: Thompson-First team Spicer-First team Kehoe-2nd Team Holloway-3rd Team A freshman, a sophomore, a junior and a senior. The freshman has the best OH/RS combo in the nation to set, the sophomore has the best middle blocker in the nation, the junior has three AA hitters to set, and the senior has 3 AAs also(2 middle blockers, and the Pac-10 POY OH). Last time I can remember when there were 4 AA setters at the final four was in 1998 with May, Bremner, Nepo and Sanchez...during that season I would bet money that May, Bremner and Nepo finished first, 2nd and 3rd in POY voting in that order(although everybody knew Misty had the award locked up). Nebraska's Fiona Nepo should have won that award...........at least that's what I think. Nepo was a darn good setter...but Misty was in a league of her own. She ran that offense so fast, she made a bunch of average players all-americans. The thing is that her setting was probably one of the weakest areas of her game.....which made her all that much more impressive. Her hitting, serving, passing, defense and knowledge were all supierior to her ability to set the ball. She was a natural OH(and really a natural beach player) so she was probably stronger as a hitter than as a setter, but they needed her setting so she set.....and ran the most effective offense in the nation. Nepo was very talented and probably a better pure setter, but Misty deserved the award in 1998. In 1997, I thought it really should've been co-POY, as Misty and Folkl both were deserving.
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Post by gobigred on Dec 13, 2006 21:06:33 GMT -5
I appreciate you sticking up for my old crush little Nep', but there's no question that May was in a class all her own.
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Post by flyingl123 on Dec 13, 2006 21:27:17 GMT -5
during that season I would bet money that May, Bremner and Nepo finished first, 2nd and 3rd in POY voting in that order.
Ahh, you have to put Cacciamani in there somewhere.
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Post by UJ on Dec 13, 2006 23:14:31 GMT -5
And of the four setters, which one is the real deal at blocking? Courtney? nah Spicer the "Pure Setter" nah Not even... Yup It's Kehoe.... Shafted at regional team selection and again at AA selection. She is absolutely a better player, all around gamesmanship, than at least 2 of the AA setters for sure and maybe 3....
It just ticks me off when a kid has to go uphill just to get what she deserves, while others are coddled, petted and revered without justification.... compare the numbers... ALL the numbers.
I guess the only consolation will be winning the dang tournement.... What say then? Time will tell.
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Post by blob on Dec 13, 2006 23:25:28 GMT -5
To paraphrase an old analogy, if I we're in a foxhole, I'd pick Thompson to cover my back. She may not be the purest setter, but she's a great competitor and leader.
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Post by bunnywailer on Dec 13, 2006 23:41:43 GMT -5
during that season I would bet money that May, Bremner and Nepo finished first, 2nd and 3rd in POY voting in that order. Ahh, you have to put Cacciamani in there somewhere. Cacciamani was da bomb-diggity!
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Post by bunnywailer on Dec 13, 2006 23:42:14 GMT -5
And of the four setters, which one is the real deal at blocking? Courtney? nah Spicer the "Pure Setter" nah Not even... Yup It's Kehoe.... Shafted at regional team selection and again at AA selection. She is absolutely a better player, all around gamesmanship, than at least 2 of the AA setters for sure and maybe 3.... It just ticks me off when a kid has to go uphill just to get what she deserves, while others are coddled, petted and revered without justification.... compare the numbers... ALL the numbers. I guess the only consolation will be winning the dang tournement.... What say then? Time will tell. Somebody call this dude a WAAAAAAAHHHHHbulance!
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Post by dishdaball on Dec 14, 2006 0:07:49 GMT -5
And of the four setters, which one is the real deal at blocking? Courtney? nah Spicer the "Pure Setter" nah Not even... Yup It's Kehoe.... Shafted at regional team selection and again at AA selection. She is absolutely a better player, all around gamesmanship, than at least 2 of the AA setters for sure and maybe 3.... It just ticks me off when a kid has to go uphill just to get what she deserves, while others are coddled, petted and revered without justification.... compare the numbers... ALL the numbers. I guess the only consolation will be winning the dang tournement.... What say then? Time will tell. Somebody call this dude a WAAAAAAAHHHHHbulance! and judging by your name mr. skynyrd i'm guessing you'll be joining him...... ;D uj is not too far off but who really cares...when all is said and done those kids only care about who won it all.....
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Post by pedro el leon on Dec 14, 2006 0:30:13 GMT -5
And of the four setters, which one is the real deal at blocking? Courtney? nah Spicer the "Pure Setter" nah Not even... Yup It's Kehoe.... Shafted at regional team selection and again at AA selection. She is absolutely a better player, all around gamesmanship, than at least 2 of the AA setters for sure and maybe 3.... It just ticks me off when a kid has to go uphill just to get what she deserves, while others are coddled, petted and revered without justification.... compare the numbers... ALL the numbers. I guess the only consolation will be winning the dang tournement.... What say then? Time will tell. and blocking stats are so useless with setters, the vast majority of the time it's the middle blocker doing the blocking and the setter gets a block assist credit.
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Post by kolohekeiki on Dec 14, 2006 1:16:02 GMT -5
And of the four setters, which one is the real deal at blocking? Courtney? nah Spicer the "Pure Setter" nah Not even... Yup It's Kehoe.... Shafted at regional team selection and again at AA selection. She is absolutely a better player, all around gamesmanship, than at least 2 of the AA setters for sure and maybe 3.... It just ticks me off when a kid has to go uphill just to get what she deserves, while others are coddled, petted and revered without justification.... compare the numbers... ALL the numbers. I guess the only consolation will be winning the dang tournement.... What say then? Time will tell. and blocking stats are so useless with setters, the vast majority of the time it's the middle blocker doing the blocking and the setter gets a block assist credit. what are you talking about...blocking stats isn't useless with setters...yeah the middle is the one probably getting the block the majority of the time but the setter is the one that sets up the block. without the setter their the middle won't know where to go or what part of the court to cover. and there are some great setters out there that put up a huge block. kanoe kamana`o is one of them. she held her own very much on the right side against some of the best outside hitters in the nation. she is top ten on the all-time blocking list at Hawai`i. that puts her right up there with middles such as Heather Bown, Angellica Ljungquist, Cecelia Goods, Susanne Eagye, as great blockers in Wahine history. So setters blocking stats do make a huge difference. because wouldn't you want a setter on the outside that can at least soft block the ball instead of that being the weak link on your teams defenese where teams take advantage and constantly bang balls from the left side right over your setter?
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Post by pedro el leon on Dec 14, 2006 2:43:43 GMT -5
^most of the pac 10 teams swing block, including Washington and Stanford, the setter does not "setup" the MB, rather, they both start in the middle and work as a tandem to their right in unison.
but you are right in that setters soft blocking is very important, otherwise OH's would just hit straight down.
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Post by bucky415 on Dec 14, 2006 2:46:55 GMT -5
I agree with the comment above about having a setter who can block. I think it is a good thing to have. I think setting has to be the first priority, but it just makes your defense a lot stronger if your setter is a solid blocker. Kanoe was really good in that she was a top notch setter and a very good blocker, especially given her size. I remember her blocking the 6'2" Maria Carlini on a game point; I think it was a solo. That was a big play, although I didn't appreciate it too much.
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Post by Ye Olde Dawg on Dec 14, 2006 2:51:04 GMT -5
I looked up some per-game statistics because I wanted to put uj's praise of Kehoe in perspective. Setter | Assists | Kills | Blocks | Aces | Total 'points' | Digs | Kehoe | 13.28 | 0.99 | 0.78 | 0.20 | 15.25 | 2.86 | Spicer | 13.66 | 1.11 | 0.75 | 0.18 | 15.70 | 2.46 | Holloway | 13.39 | 1.12 | 0.54 | 0.20 | 15.25 | 2.50 | Thompson | 14.70 | 0.24 | 0.46 | 0.25 | 15.65 | 2.50 | --- | Kamana'o | 13.31 | 0.54 | 0.96 | 0.21 | 15.02 | 2.41 |
If Kehoe is "the real deal" as a blocker, then so is Spicer. Since someone mentioned Kamana'o, yes she's another level up from the setters in the final four. A table like this CANNOT measure the intangibles. But in terms of the things you can measure, it's Spicer that has a very slight edge in the number of points you can attribute to her in each game. Courtney leads in assists; the others make up for it in kills. You could say that they choose to set themselves more often than Thompson, and they do it effectively. But the thing that struck me is that aside from that one difference in where they excel, when you try to put the things you can measure together to get an idea of their overall contribution, they're very close. I guess that's what you get when you compare four All-Americans, huh?
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