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Post by pedro el leon on Mar 9, 2007 3:23:48 GMT -5
ok wait... Becky serves underhanded... am I reading this correctly?
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Post by AntennaMagnet on Mar 9, 2007 10:02:56 GMT -5
Chance says "there is probably no serious difference between Tennessee, or Minnessota, or Tosu, or Florida, or USC, or wherever".
You are so correct, but there is a difference between these schools and academically selective schools like Virginia and Duke in the ACC, Michigan and Northwestern in the Big 10, Stanford in the PAC 10 and all the Ivy schools.
I can assure you that Wall Street, graduate schools, and other highly selective career options view a degree from the schools I mentioned differently than the schools you mention. Of course, if you're a Tom or a Walsh, it makes little difference where you graduated up until the point when you look for a real job.
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Post by bigfan on Mar 9, 2007 11:43:31 GMT -5
Chance says "there is probably no serious difference between Tennessee, or Minnessota, or Tosu, or Florida, or USC, or wherever". You are so correct, but there is a difference between these schools and academically selective schools like Virginia and Duke in the ACC, Michigan and Northwestern in the Big 10, Stanford in the PAC 10 and all the Ivy schools. These schools may help you get your foot in the door on your first job but that is about it.
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Post by ESTRELLA on Mar 9, 2007 11:56:44 GMT -5
From my stand point.....who cares? She will play in college at a school that has a good volleyball program. ESTRELLA
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Post by AntennaMagnet on Mar 9, 2007 12:33:21 GMT -5
Well there you have it. Who cares about other missed opportunities. Talk about exploitation of a young mind........
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Post by BearClause on Mar 9, 2007 13:09:10 GMT -5
Well there you have it. Who cares about other missed opportunities. Talk about exploitation of a young mind........ As someone who graduated from a school with a halfway decent reputation in my field, I'd have to say it does open doors initially. From that point on, it's far more about performance. The fact is almost anyone would be well served as a graduate of any accredited university program. I work with graduates of Ivy League schools as well as lesser known public schools, and it's almost never an issue unless the question is specifically asked. There is far more to life than just the name on a diploma.
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Post by bigfan on Mar 9, 2007 13:19:01 GMT -5
Well there you have it. Who cares about other missed opportunities. Talk about exploitation of a young mind........ As someone who graduated from a school with a halfway decent reputation in my field, I'd have to say it does open doors initially. From that point on, it's far more about performance. The fact is almost anyone would be well served as a graduate of any accredited university program. I work with graduates of Ivy League schools as well as lesser known public schools, and it's almost never an issue unless the question is specifically asked. There is far more to life than just the name on a diploma. As usual you are quite succinct in what I was trying to say.....BTW congrats on beating UCLA B-Ball.
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Post by Chance on Mar 9, 2007 13:22:53 GMT -5
Chance says "there is probably no serious difference between Tennessee, or Minnessota, or Tosu, or Florida, or USC, or wherever". You are so correct, but there is a difference between these schools and academically selective schools like Virginia and Duke in the ACC, Michigan and Northwestern in the Big 10, Stanford in the PAC 10 and all the Ivy schools. I can assure you that Wall Street, graduate schools, and other highly selective career options view a degree from the schools I mentioned differently than the schools you mention. Of course, if you're a Tom or a Walsh, it makes little difference where you graduated up until the point when you look for a real job. Will you stop constantly judging the decesions of people you know virtually nothing about? First of all, you act like every player is academically good enough to be accepted / stay at a school like stanford, UVA, or Duke (assuming athletes have it academically hard there, just like regular students). Why not bitch out every single player who doesnt head to Colorado Springs, Annapolis, or West Point? All of them are extremely respected schools academcially, and there wont be any weak athlete schedules / extra special treatment beyond what is neccessary. Their athletes take 18 hours in season. And when they graduate, they have a great job lined up allready. Besides the fact that not everybody is up to that challenge, the military is not for everybody. Well you know what? Going to wall street, or being a doctor, or a lawyer, or whatever, isn't for everybody. Take me for example. I got near perfect SAT scores. I did not go to UVA, stanford, northwestern, duke, princeton, etc... I'm sure you would instantly leap to the conclusion that I'm either lazy, or that I put "non academic factors to high in my decesion making process." (That is, if you showed as much interest in the development of young men as you do in young women, which i strongly doubt). But of you would be completely wrong. I am a sports management major, which is an unusual program. Tennessee has one of (if not THE) best sports management program(s) in the nation. If a player has decided to play in the ACC, and she picks Miami over UVA and Duke, I'm sure you would assume she was more interested in the beach and parties than she was academics (allthough Miami is a fairly good school itself). But maybe she just wants to study Marine Biology, which Miami is one of the best in the nation at... Or maybe she just wants a job that, while challenging and important, does not have an incredibly difficult selection process. Maybe she wants to be a teacher, or a police officer, and she can do that just as well from kentucky or clemson as she can from northwestern or yale.
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Post by izzy on Mar 9, 2007 14:55:26 GMT -5
Haven't we learned yet that AM's posts are never based in reality or research. I, like Chance, am a very intelligent person that turned down several of the universities mentioned to go to what you would consider just above average university and don't regret it in the slightest. It doesn't even matter what the reasoning is, every individual should find the place they feel comfortable.
In fact if you have looked at any studies published recently on the subject they find that your choice of college has no bearing on an individuals success in the "real" world. Determination and hard work are what sets people apart in these studies.
AM, either you are very ignorant on many subjects, or you're just trying to stir things up. I hope for your sake it's the latter.
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Post by mervynpumpkinhead on Mar 9, 2007 14:59:38 GMT -5
Haven't we learned yet that AM's posts are never based in reality or research. I, like Chance, am a very intelligent person that turned down several of the universities mentioned to go to what you would consider just above average university and don't regret it in the slightest. It doesn't even matter what the reasoning is, every individual should find the place they feel comfortable. In fact if you have looked at any studies published recently on the subject they find that your choice of college has no bearing on an individuals success in the "real" world. Determination and hard work are what sets people apart in these studies. AM, either you are very ignorant on many subjects, or you're just trying to stir things up. I hope for your sake it's the latter. As long as we're padding our stats, I'm a freakin' genius but decided to go to Chaminade. Stanford basically wanted to name a building after me before I ever started school there.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2007 15:23:38 GMT -5
Happened to me, too. They call it "The Men's Room."
I was flattered.
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Post by brybry2 on Mar 9, 2007 15:23:51 GMT -5
I think if you're a graduate of Stanford, Duke, etc and you're a 6'5 woman, I think they'll figure out that you got in there to play sports. It's not that these women could not have excelled academically, but I'd assume that their appearance is a bit of an equalizer.
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Post by AntennaMagnet on Mar 9, 2007 16:17:45 GMT -5
Chance, your passionate views are refreshing, and I'm sure you know that perfect SAT scores do not guarantee admission to an elite college. In no way do my comments deride those who go to academically less selective schools. If Tennessee has the best program for a chosen vocation, then obviously it is the right choice. However, as an alternative thought, a recent CNN report commented on how many Ivy leaguers were populating MLB front offices and these folks do not take specialized sports management programs.
The key point I make is that other than maybe Stanford and Cal, there are very few academically challenging schools that also have athletically challenging environments. Thus, if a player happens to value academically challenging environments there may be more to think about than just simply pursuing the best volleyball programs, or as one poster put it, "where the big girls play." Regretably, I have witnessed high school players who avoided academically challenging schools because someone convinced them that their fulltime job with volleyball would drive them insane if they had to worry about academics too. Talk about misplaced priorities and misrepresentation. If a sports program is that much of a detraction from scholarly pursuits, then Universities have really screwed up.
Finally, I don't presume that everyone is interested or eligible for academically selective schools, but it is a shame when very bright student-athletes weigh their college choices 90 percent volleyball and 10 percent academics, and this approach is often driven by enthusiastic coaches from non academically selective schools who typically are more interested in the physical rather than intellectual development of the recruit.
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Post by BearClause on Mar 9, 2007 16:48:05 GMT -5
OK - elite private schools and "academically challenging"? Don't go down that path before grade inflation rears its ugly head.
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Post by Anonymousnow on Mar 9, 2007 17:30:09 GMT -5
if only we had a matching system, we wouldnt have to worry about this
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