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Post by shark on Apr 13, 2007 23:54:29 GMT -5
Its fairly simple, they want to be Olympians (is this the only conference that has coaches with real Olympic experience, by real I mean actually coached an Olympic Team, not did 2 weeks in Colorado Springs and then fill their resume up with "Coached USA Women 2004") and they want the toughest competition, they have to end up in the Pac-10. So who gets them and how do they shuffle things around to do that?
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Post by beachman on Apr 14, 2007 0:16:32 GMT -5
One thing is long overdue in the women's collegiate game: The time has come for the coaches to stop closing their eyes and shutting their mouths when they see violations and other unscrupulous things taking place in the women's game. None of the coaches wants to be the one who blows the whistle and begins the process of ending some of this crap, but if someone doesn't do it, things will continue the way that they have gone over the past 5-7 years especially. It's time for them to step up and report violations and unethical conduct by their peers when they see it........it's loooooooooooong overdue!
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Post by pedro el leon on Apr 14, 2007 0:46:01 GMT -5
^^honestly, Anderson's only option in the pac10 is OSU, ASU, and Arizona(perhaps even stanford after next season?) every other school is set(no pun) in the setter position, (the exception to that is Oregon, but they run a 6-2 so prolly not the best option for her.)
Salvo could go to many schools, Oregon and Wazzu are probably the best two options because they are both up and coming and could use a star OH, especially Oregon after losing what's-her-butt from Serbia, Djuric or whatever.
p.s. Wazzu is a tourney team next year, mark this post...
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Post by Netter on Apr 14, 2007 0:47:34 GMT -5
Now you know why I implied yesterday in this thread that "Maybe somebody planted some seeds while these players were going through the process of trying out and making the A2 team. " From what I've heard, unfortunately this would not be the first time seeds were planted by a coach working at a USA Volleyball tryout, but that was on the youth side.
Which coaches could we possibly implicate for suggesting to these players that they should bail to a tougher conference? Well, besides the National Team coaches (I assume they were at the tryouts, maybe not), the coaches who were named as the A2 coaches must have been at the tryouts. And they were Ohio State University Head Women’s Volleyball Coach Jim Stone and Concordia University (Calif.) Head Women’s Volleyball Coach Paula Weishoff who will serve as the two head coaches for the U.S. Women’s National A2 Teams that will compete at the USA Volleyball Adult Open Championships held at Austin, Texas, between May 26 and June 2.
Also, University of California-Berkeley Assistant Women’s Volleyball Coach Matt McShane and Texas A&M University Assistant Women’s Volleyball Coach Robyn Romansky will serve as assistant coaches for the A2 program in 2007.
So we know a Big Ten, two with ties to the Pac Ten and one from the Big Twelve conferences are part of this process. A would bet the house that no comment like the one stated in the blog would come from Paula. I don't know any of the other coaches. I don't know who else was there helping out at the tryouts. You could argue that these are the 3 toughest conferences. I wouldn't doubt a coach from any of these conferences touting their conference.
This whole development is pretty sad. Like many have said, we'll see where these two players land and that might tell part of the story. The footnote to this story is if a change in conference translates to future success. Sometimes players win awards and it goes to their heads, as one was the Mountain West player of the year and one was the Mountain West freshman and setter of the year. We should have one of those pools where you select which conference you think they will end up at with the bar chart showing the results.
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Post by localguy on Apr 14, 2007 1:12:54 GMT -5
I have trouble believing that one of the coaches at the A2 precipitated this move. Maybe the parents asked leading questions about the conference, degree of difficulty, etc. and are now using those answers out of context. I read this as having been contemplated for some time, and this is the reason the families are now giving. Probably causing serious distress for the USA coaches, btw. If my daughter was their teammate, I would be really happy to see these kids go. (Of the coaches in the A2 program, I only know Paula, and she would NEVER make those kind of remarks. Class act all the way.)
I don't believe in tougher transfer rules, despite my disgust at this particular situation. There are so many ugly situations in college sports, and these kids don't need any more disincentives to do the right thing in their lives. If this was an ugly situation (which I don't get any vibes it was) I wish they would just say that.
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Post by doc on Apr 14, 2007 12:45:18 GMT -5
One thing is long overdue in the women's collegiate game: The time has come for the coaches to stop closing their eyes and shutting their mouths when they see violations and other unscrupulous things taking place in the women's game. None of the coaches wants to be the one who blows the whistle and begins the process of ending some of this crap, but if someone doesn't do it, things will continue the way that they have gone over the past 5-7 years especially. It's time for them to step up and report violations and unethical conduct by their peers when they see it........it's loooooooooooong overdue! I don't know anything about the situation regarding this thread but I have heard of several others and beachman is absolutly correct.
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Post by abcd098 on Apr 14, 2007 13:26:25 GMT -5
^^honestly, Anderson's only option in the pac10 is OSU, ASU, and Arizona(perhaps even stanford after next season?) every other school is set(no pun) in the setter position Well the players will be sitting out a season, so Stanford should not be ruled out. It is going to be very interesting to see where these players end up. Are both players going to go to the same school?
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Post by StanfordFan on Apr 14, 2007 15:12:30 GMT -5
When was the last time Stanford took in a transfer? I can't remember any since I've been following the team in 1995. (I don't include players like Yamasaki who came back or the other player on the current team who joined from another Stanford sport). ^^honestly, Anderson's only option in the pac10 is OSU, ASU, and Arizona(perhaps even stanford after next season?) every other school is set(no pun) in the setter position Well the players will be sitting out a season, so Stanford should not be ruled out. It is going to be very interesting to see where these players end up. Are both players going to go to the same school?
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Post by ezrider on Apr 14, 2007 18:39:23 GMT -5
Hey Netter-- is mike nifong your hero? Don't let the fact that stone wasn't even at the tryouts stop you from making your case. keep up the good work.
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Post by Netter on Apr 14, 2007 19:02:27 GMT -5
Like I said, I don't know what coaches were at the tryouts and who wasn't. Like on the PrepVB thread on this subject, the coaches to be involved going forward are listed. If didn't list him as one the 4 head and assistant coaches, I'd be leaving stone unturned. I don't know who is worse, nifong or the guy that booked the strippers. For the record, my hero is mike hammer.
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Post by fanofbigten on Apr 14, 2007 20:10:20 GMT -5
Now you know why I implied yesterday in this thread that "Maybe somebody planted some seeds while these players were going through the process of trying out and making the A2 team. " From what I've heard, unfortunately this would not be the first time seeds were planted by a coach working at a USA Volleyball tryout, but that was on the youth side. Which coaches could we possibly implicate for suggesting to these players that they should bail to a tougher conference? Well, besides the National Team coaches (I assume they were at the tryouts, maybe not), the coaches who were named as the A2 coaches must have been at the tryouts. And they were Ohio State University Head Women’s Volleyball Coach Jim Stone and Concordia University (Calif.) Head Women’s Volleyball Coach Paula Weishoff who will serve as the two head coaches for the U.S. Women’s National A2 Teams that will compete at the USA Volleyball Adult Open Championships held at Austin, Texas, between May 26 and June 2. Also, University of California-Berkeley Assistant Women’s Volleyball Coach Matt McShane and Texas A&M University Assistant Women’s Volleyball Coach Robyn Romansky will serve as assistant coaches for the A2 program in 2007. So we know a Big Ten, two with ties to the Pac Ten and one from the Big Twelve conferences are part of this process. A would bet the house that no comment like the one stated in the blog would come from Paula. I don't know any of the other coaches. I don't know who else was there helping out at the tryouts. You could argue that these are the 3 toughest conferences. I wouldn't doubt a coach from any of these conferences touting their conference. This whole development is pretty sad. Like many have said, we'll see where these two players land and that might tell part of the story. The footnote to this story is if a change in conference translates to future success. Sometimes players win awards and it goes to their heads, as one was the Mountain West player of the year and one was the Mountain West freshman and setter of the year. We should have one of those pools where you select which conference you think they will end up at with the bar chart showing the results.
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Post by fanofbigten on Apr 14, 2007 20:16:20 GMT -5
I don't think Ohio State's Jim Stone was out in Colorado for the tryouts so we can eliminate him from speculation. When talking with him at a recent tournament he said he was unable to attend the USA tryout do to a prior committment and at the point he did not even know who was on the rosters for the teams.
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Post by beachman on Apr 14, 2007 22:53:42 GMT -5
Come on here folks.....everybody knows that if a school can position one of their assistant coaches at the OTC working with any of the programs it will put their school in a very advantageous position when it comes to recruiting. We saw U$C do it for a number of years as did Arizona....now it seems to have migrated upward from the Junior National Program to players who are actually already at D-1 schools....like I said, coaches need to step up and put a stop to this %*$# or women's volleyball will end up like basketball and football....or worse like HS basketball is in this country, where these kids transfer every year from one school to another always in their attempt to inprove their position with respect to college or the pro game.....USA Volleyball needs to get their heads out of their butts as well and put restrictions on who can coach their developmental teams and their National A-2 teams, etc......if they don't, bad stuff will inevitably take place,.......oops, looks like that has happened to the Utes!!
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Post by uscyaaa on Apr 15, 2007 1:45:06 GMT -5
Come on here folks.....everybody knows that if a school can position one of their assistant coaches at the OTC working with any of the programs it will put their school in a very advantageous position when it comes to recruiting. We saw U$C do it for a number of years as did Arizona....now it seems to have migrated upward from the Junior National Program to players who are actually already at D-1 schools....like I said, coaches need to step up and put a stop to this %*$# or women's volleyball will end up like basketball and football....or worse like HS basketball is in this country, where these kids transfer every year from one school to another always in their attempt to inprove their position with respect to college or the pro game.....USA Volleyball needs to get their heads out of their butts as well and put restrictions on who can coach their developmental teams and their National A-2 teams, etc......if they don't, bad stuff will inevitably take place,.......oops, looks like that has happened to the Utes!! what a surprise...Beach bagging on USC again for the umpteenth time...just because the Long Beach State program has been deemed irrelevant for the past decade doesn't mean you have to keep using the dollar sign for the S in USC....get over it...just ask your coach to start recruiting better....
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Post by beachman on Apr 15, 2007 10:27:30 GMT -5
Come on here folks.....everybody knows that if a school can position one of their assistant coaches at the OTC working with any of the programs it will put their school in a very advantageous position when it comes to recruiting. We saw U$C do it for a number of years as did Arizona....now it seems to have migrated upward from the Junior National Program to players who are actually already at D-1 schools....like I said, coaches need to step up and put a stop to this %*$# or women's volleyball will end up like basketball and football....or worse like HS basketball is in this country, where these kids transfer every year from one school to another always in their attempt to inprove their position with respect to college or the pro game.....USA Volleyball needs to get their heads out of their butts as well and put restrictions on who can coach their developmental teams and their National A-2 teams, etc......if they don't, bad stuff will inevitably take place,.......oops, looks like that has happened to the Utes!! what a surprise...Beach bagging on USC again for the umpteenth time...just because the Long Beach State program has been deemed irrelevant for the past decade doesn't mean you have to keep using the dollar sign for the S in USC....get over it...just ask your coach to start recruiting better.... I knew my post would entice some of the U$C faithful out of their cubby holes Truth hurts doesn't it?? Hey, how many folks have been mugged walking from the campus to the Galen Center? I'd hate to have your security and LAPD security bills every time you play there!!
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