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Post by UCSB Fan on Sept 11, 2007 17:48:12 GMT -5
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Post by pineapple on Sept 11, 2007 17:55:36 GMT -5
What does this mean? She can't play in the NCAA?
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Sept 11, 2007 18:38:54 GMT -5
What does this mean? She can't play in the NCAA? I believe so although I'll defer that question to Bearclause. Anyway, I'm sure smiling Jim Mclaughlin would be able to help her out.
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Post by mervynpumpkinhead on Sept 11, 2007 19:21:42 GMT -5
Wasn't Ogonna a good passer at the club and high school level? No, she wasn't. She was the kid you knew was going to be devastating in college, but not with her passing. Jupiter is erratic offensively right now, but she's got more passing skills, IMO, than Ogonna did at this time.
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Post by Gorf on Sept 11, 2007 19:23:03 GMT -5
Given what happened to Marci Peniata for playing in the Wisconsin grass trounament to years in a row and receiving a multi-match suspension.
You'd think Alex would at the very least receive a suspension longer than Marci's suspension because she also participated in tournaments for 3 years in a row, and she participated in at least 5 times as many tournaments.
Marci received her suspension even though she didn't personally accept any payment for the tournament butt her already graduated parter accepted the full amount (ie, more than her share.)
If Alex actually accepted payments as listed in UCSB Fan's posted link she has been playing for 2 years professionally on the AVP tour and a more eggregious breaking of NCAA rules.
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Post by BearClause on Sept 11, 2007 19:23:53 GMT -5
What does this mean? She can't play in the NCAA? I believe so although I'll defer that question to Bearclause. Anyway, I'm sure smiling Jim Mclaughlin would be able to help her out. I don't get the stuff on professionalism. However - didn't something about playing with a professional partner trip up a couple of Minnesota players last season?
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Post by Gorf on Sept 11, 2007 19:32:49 GMT -5
I believe so although I'll defer that question to Bearclause. Anyway, I'm sure smiling Jim Mclaughlin would be able to help her out. I don't get the stuff on professionalism. However - didn't something about playing with a professional partner trip up a couple of Minnesota players last season? I just mention it in my post above. It was 2 active players (Marci Peniata and Kelly Bowman) with Jen Bowman (already graduated) with Marci receiving the longest suspension of the two. Alex, though played for 3 years (potentially professionally) and in multiple tournaments each year though. While Marci participated 2 years in a row in a single tournament each year from what I understand with winnnings in only the 2nd of thoose years. The NCAA rules on this sort of issue always seem to be very inconsistantly applied.
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Post by duh2 on Sept 12, 2007 0:45:42 GMT -5
She can except money without signing a contract as long as the money doesn't exceed her expenses....Per NCAA BYLAW, ARTICLE 12 amateurism pg. 61 12.02.4 Professional athletics Team. A professional team is any organized team that: (a) Provides any of its players more than actual and necessary expenses for participation on the team, except as otherwise permitted by NCAA legislation. Actual and necessary expenses are limited to the following, pro- vided the value of these items is commensurate with the fair market value in the locality of the player(s) and is not excessive in nature: (Revised: 4/25/02 effective 8/1/02) (1) Meals directly tied to competition and practice held in preparation for such competition; (2) Lodging directly tied to competition and practice held in preparation for such competition; (3) Apparel, equipment and supplies; (4) Coaching and instruction; (5) Health/medical insurance; (6) Transportation (expenses to and from practice competition, cost of transportation from home to train- ing/practice site at the beginning of the season and from training/practice site to home at the end of season); (7) Medical treatment and physical therapy; (8) Facility usage; (Revised: 4/24/03) (9) Entry fees; and (Revised: 4/24/03) (10) Other reasonable expenses; or (Adopted: 4/24/03; Revised: 10/28/04) (b) Declares itself to be professional (see Bylaw 12.1.2.4.1.1). (Revised: 8/8/02)
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Post by pineapple on Sept 12, 2007 1:33:48 GMT -5
Hey, is you name "Duh" intended for you or for us?
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Post by duh2 on Sept 12, 2007 9:20:04 GMT -5
I thougt it was clever and ran out of ideas for names.
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Post by romeo on Sept 12, 2007 10:34:56 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that BVB data shows the players earnings based on what they could have received. It doesn't necessarily show what was actually accepted.
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Post by Gorf on Sept 12, 2007 10:40:50 GMT -5
If you applied those rules to the Kelly Bowman and Marci Peniata situations they probably shouldn't have been suspended for any games.
Plus, the things mentions in those rules is speifically tied to players link to a professional team which isn't the case for Alex. She is an individual that accepted money for winning matches in professional beach tournaments.
She earned more money in 2007 than either Kelly or Marci would have earned by winning the grass tournament if they had accepted the money.
If Alex receives not suspension for knowingly accepting money from professional tournaments and Marci received a 4 game suspension then what the NCAA would be telling players that it's perfectly fine to accept money while playing in professional tournaments but terrible to play in a grass tournament with no intention of accepting money for winning.
The NCAA needs to get their act together and put rules in place that make sense and written well enough that they don't take a team of lawyers to interpret. Then they need to fairly use the rules in all cases including foreign players that have knowingly accepted money "under the table" from their foreign club teams.
If players break the rules then they face the appropriate penalties.
The NCAA also needs to step up and become a presence with high school players to make sure they understand the rules so they don't make mistakes on such things based on a lack of knowledge regarding the NCAA rules. Many high school coaches don't even know the rules of volleyball at their own level (complaining about calls / non-calls without understanding the rules for those calls) let alone the NCAA rules that will be (are) applicable to their players that will be moving on the play collegiate D1 volleyball.
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Post by Gorf on Sept 12, 2007 10:46:34 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that BVB data shows the players earnings based on what they could have received. It doesn't necessarily show what was actually accepted. I haven't been able to find anything on the site that says anything along the lines of what you're saying. If you find anything that actually states it could you post a link to it here?
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Post by Mix Breed-TEXAS,HI,LBSU on Sept 12, 2007 10:58:01 GMT -5
So does this mean, she won't be eligible for college ball at all?.....If not, then I blame it on her mother!!!......Too bad and what a waste of talent to not display in college ball...
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Post by UCSB Fan on Sept 12, 2007 10:59:37 GMT -5
I think you guys are missing a point made earlier.... she has no intention of playing at the college level. She doesn't want to, and her mother doesn't want her to. Her plans are to head directly to the beach circuit professionally. That being said, in her mind there is no reason not to accept prize money. Unfortunately this is very short sighted. If she later matures, and realizes the value of an education, she could be jeapordizing a full ride scholarship for a few thousand dollars. Also, the fact that she is playing with another professional player could jeapordize her amateur status even further. She is a bright kid and a beautiful girl -- inside and out . She even does some professional modeling. It's a shame she doesn't have some wise counsel in her life to help her realize the far reaching outcomes of what she is now doing. To me, it's a shame.
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