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Post by romeo on Sept 12, 2007 11:05:22 GMT -5
I don't know of a link, and maybe I'm wrong. I say what I do from knowing several past collegiate players who had their 'earnings' listed while they were in college, but I know for a fact that they didn't accept the winnings while they were in college. Maybe it's since changed, but I know this was the way it has been shown in the past. I'm pretty sure that BVB data shows the players earnings based on what they could have received. It doesn't necessarily show what was actually accepted. I haven't been able to find anything on the site that says anything along the lines of what you're saying. If you find anything that actually states it could you post a link to it here?
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Post by Gorf on Sept 12, 2007 11:23:22 GMT -5
Fair enough.
My main gripe is with the NCAA and how they appear to interpret their rules differently for very similar situations and how they don't seem to provide direct contact, consistent interpretations, and information about such rules to collegiate and high school players.
The players that get put in the middle of these things by not being fully informed (by the NCAA) of the the applicable rules and consequences for even accidental violations.
You'd think most of those type of situations could be avoided by the NCAA being more involved with teams. Say meeting with high school and collegiate teams once per year or even mailing out flyers that teams can pass out to their players after the new rules for each year are finalized including their current interpretations of these sorts of rules and the consequences of violations.
If the NCAA can't keep teams well informed and can't consistently apply rules like these to players / teams then those rules shouldn't exist and ought to be replaced with rules of the same intent but more easily understood by teams and players and more consistently applied by the NCAA.
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Post by Mix Breed-TEXAS,HI,LBSU on Sept 12, 2007 11:48:48 GMT -5
I think you guys are missing a point made earlier.... she has no intention of playing at the college level. She doesn't want to, and her mother doesn't want her to. Her plans are to head directly to the beach circuit professionally. That being said, in her mind there is no reason not to accept prize money. Unfortunately this is very short sighted. If she later matures, and realizes the value of an education, she could be jeapordizing a full ride scholarship for a few thousand dollars. Also, the fact that she is playing with another professional player could jeapordize her amateur status even further. She is a bright kid and a beautiful girl -- inside and out . She even does some professional modeling. It's a shame she doesn't have some wise counsel in her life to help her realize the far reaching outcomes of what she is now doing. To me, it's a shame. Obviously her mother seems to care more about her making money than education. But then again, I don't see anything wrong with that.....LOL! Well, untill it's official that she decides not to go to college, I'll be rooting for her to come to Hawai'i.
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Post by hammer on Sept 12, 2007 14:36:48 GMT -5
A little tired of the ripping of Oganna Nnamani. Looking back at the NCAA's a few years ago,k when Stanford won, you see that after averaging "only" 6 kills a game for the first two rounds Oganna averaged 9 a game for the final four rounds, against Texas, Wisconsin, Washington and Minnesota. She may not pass that well, but come on. Everybody in the gym knew where the ball was going and they still couldn't stop her. She also had 10 blocks over the same four matches, and seven in the first two. Not bad for a left. A player would have to be very good to get anywhere close to those numbers over that long a stretch. I'll take 9 kills a game over a good "all around" player anytime. Good lord yes, especially at the college level. If anyone who has a planet for a last name can come close to these numbers, then I would be recruiting them.
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Post by FreeBall on Sept 12, 2007 14:50:26 GMT -5
I'll take 9 kills a game over a good "all around" player anytime. I know it's been discussed on this board in numerous threads, but this attitude epitomizes what is wrong with women's VB in the United States as it relates to the national team. Hypothetically, I'll give you five Oganna Nnamani type players and a world class setter. For my team I'll take five Cynthia Barboza/Jordan Larson type players and an above average college setter. Which of these teams do you think would win the majority of the matches if they played against each other?
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Post by kolohekeiki on Sept 12, 2007 14:57:22 GMT -5
Staying on the topic of Alex Jupiter playing professional beach volleyball does that mean Falyn Fonoimoana wouldn't be eligible for college too, because I've seen her name listed on couple AVP tours as well?
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Post by pineapple on Sept 12, 2007 15:42:36 GMT -5
I think someone pointed out the inconsistency or vagueness of NCAA on the issue. I remember it used to be that when you play professional, thats it. No more turning back. A turning point in the matter of pro vs amateur is in the olympics. Now we see NBA players playing for USA. Why not? The Russian team has always been professional.
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Post by Mix Breed-TEXAS,HI,LBSU on Sept 12, 2007 15:43:07 GMT -5
Staying on the topic of Alex Jupiter playing professional beach volleyball does that mean Falyn Fonoimoana wouldn't be eligible for college too, because I've seen her name listed on couple AVP tours as well? Good question!......I wonder about that also....... .... I know that she already commited to USC, but she has earned some money on the beach right?....If so, where does that leave Falyn?....Just like what Gorf stated earlier about two Gophers who accepted some type of money playing in a beach tourney...
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Post by pineapple on Sept 12, 2007 15:54:05 GMT -5
One more point to consider, Kolohekeiki. UH men volleyball team's 2002 NCAA championship was stripped because Costas Theocharidis had played at the professional level. The NCAA rule states that an individual shall not be eligible for intercollegiate athletics in a sport if the individual ever competed on a professional team in that sport....
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Post by pineapple on Sept 12, 2007 15:55:40 GMT -5
With that, I cannot see how how Jupiter and Falyn will be allowed to play. Unless, in an attempt to circumvent legally just for those two girls, the NCAA says that beach volleyball is a different sport from in-door volleyball. And this may be a valid point. However, it would raise an eyebrow along the line of what Gorf said about previous applications of the rule.
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Post by UCSB Fan on Sept 12, 2007 16:34:40 GMT -5
The difference is Falyn has not accepted any prize money from the AVP tour. She has won, but not accepted prize money. The question with her is whether her club fees have been paid by anyone.
As I stated before, these players, and others like them, need wise counsel. They could be jeapardizing tens of thousands of dollars (or a hundred thousand dollars -- with Falyn committed to USC) if these rules are not heeded. Unlike other posters, I think the NCAA rules are very clear. I think it's the enforcement -- or inconsistent enforceement that is the problem.
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Post by StuffU on Sept 12, 2007 16:34:41 GMT -5
Is Beach Volleyball considered the "same" sport as Indoor Volleyball by the NCAA? Yamasaki was a pro basketball player with the WNBA and came back to play volleyball for Stanford. Assuming Beach and Indoor are different sports, isn't this the same circumstance?
Addressing the grass tourney that Gopher players were punished for, it may have counted "against" the NCAA rules because they do not recognize grass volleyball as a different sport whereas beach volleyball has distinguished itself as "different".
Just throwing out a thought ....
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Post by BearClause on Sept 12, 2007 16:46:46 GMT -5
Is Beach Volleyball considered the "same" sport as Indoor Volleyball by the NCAA? Yamasaki was a pro basketball player with the WNBA and came back to play volleyball for Stanford. Assuming Beach and Indoor are different sports, isn't this the same circumstance? Addressing the grass tourney that Gopher players were punished for, it may have counted "against" the NCAA rules because they do not recognize grass volleyball as a different sport whereas beach volleyball has distinguished itself as "different". Just throwing out a thought .... I don't think so. I read one explicit rule that classifies "road racing" as equivalent to cross-country or track & field competition. I can't imagine that they would allow someone to play arena football and come back to play NCAA football. Or accepting money (beyond expenses) from 2/3-player basketball tournaments and go back to NCAA BB. Maybe a female minor league baseball player playing NCAA softball? That's a stretch, but I could see that as a possibility. We'd have to look at the NCAA's case record and see how they've come down on beach volleyball vs NCAA indoor volleyball.
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Post by pineapple on Sept 12, 2007 16:48:14 GMT -5
Stuffu, that was my speculation that would give green light to the two girls playing in NCAA. If they were not considered different, OTOH, it would appear to be inconsistent application of rules. However, UCSB Fan isolated the specific criteira: acceptance of payment, whether for self or for club fees. I was of the original impression that playing alone, not only payments, was disqualifying. Apparently, I was mistakened.
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Post by pineapple on Sept 12, 2007 16:50:02 GMT -5
Anyway, Stuffu, shades of our discussion last year on NCCA regulations. ;D By the way, in case you are not aware, the mystery star, whom Jlo the mother talked about, is Tabi Love.
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