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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2007 11:39:32 GMT -5
OSU isn't the move up. It's the Big10 that's the move up.
But, you still have to spend a lot of time in Columbus. That'd be the deal breaker for me.
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Post by Keystonekid on Oct 20, 2007 11:52:05 GMT -5
Ruffda, Athens is way nicer than Columbus. I agree the Big Ten is a move up, but so is OSU. Little kids in Toledo, and Chillicothe (sp?) don't dream of going to OU. They dream of going to the school they see on ABC on Saturday afternoon. The dream of going where Jack Nicklaus, Jesse Owens and John Havlichek played. I can't stand it when I hear pro -athletes say "THE" Ohio St University. Like it or not, it is. It is a way better draw for athletes.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Oct 20, 2007 11:53:26 GMT -5
And while Geoff has done a great job at Ohio, there are huge benefits to be had by moving to Columbus in terms of resources. For example, compare the budgets that would be had. Ohio might support volleyball very well, but Ohio St athletic department will have far more resources available, with a much better infrastructure.
Now, there can also be drawbacks, and, as hinted in the discussion, they are often personal. For example, recall a couple of years ago when the Iowa job came open, and Bobbi Petersen's name was thrown out as a possibility. I knew from the beginning, knowing Bobbi as I do, that there was no way she'd take that job, yet people who had never met her, nor knew anything about her personally or her relationship with UNI were speculating about what she might want to do. Most were completely off base. I guess my point is that you need to be careful about overthinking these things. Professional decisions of all sorts are made on a huge range of factors, most of which are completely transparent to the population. There is always a balance between professional and personal issues.
That being said, Ohio St absolutely provides professional opportunities that Ohio cannot. However, who knows how much of a factor that is for any of the people being considered?
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Post by Keystonekid on Oct 20, 2007 11:58:27 GMT -5
Horsmon and Geoff will move to Columbus as fast as they can pack. It is a great job. You will also see coaches in better jobs than OU and Dayton go after that job. Ask the coaches in the Big Ten how great that job is. Their athletic dept right now is on fire. Football and Basketball at the highest level, giving them great exposure. One of the best three states maybe in the country for prep talent, deep pockets......Those two have done an absolutely amazing job, but there is a cap, on how good they can be. There is no cap at OSU.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2007 12:05:39 GMT -5
Don't try using reason with me! I'm a born and bred Athenian, a faculty-kid. It won't work.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2007 12:08:34 GMT -5
No one seriously made that statement. Geez.
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Post by runninrebel44 on Oct 20, 2007 12:10:18 GMT -5
Nothing on this board is truly stated 'seriously'.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2007 12:11:58 GMT -5
Although I will say OSU may be the worst of the Big10 Athletic Departments in terms of supporting VB.
But again, the MAC isn't the Big10. That's the main reason to make the move. And it's amazing what a human being can learn to live with. Even Columbus can be endured.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2007 12:15:04 GMT -5
Nothing on this board is truly stated 'seriously'. You can't be serious?!
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Oct 20, 2007 12:15:38 GMT -5
Are we actually having this conversation? I understand OU has come a long ways. And I also understand that it is a legit program, that Carlston built. But there is no way that moving to THE OSU would be anywhere near a step down. Yes, it is a rebuilding project. Yes, it is possibly the toughest conference to rebuild in. However, it is still OHIO STATE. You can recruit to OSU. The volleyball in Ohio and surrounding states is plenty to work with. He would be recruiting the same kids he was at OU, he would just get a lot more of them. A step down? Please. Professionally, of course it is not a step down in any way. However, the decision on whether to move there or not depends on a lot of factors, with professional issues among them but not the sole issues. Keystonekid's response is exactly the type of clueless assertion that I was talking about in my discussion of Bobbi Petersen. You can talk about all the professional benefits you want and you might not come anywhere close to hitting the things that matter. I don't know Geoff Carlston or Tim Horsman well enough to know what they consider the important criteria in terms of moving jobs. I would have to think that institutional quality is an important consideration, but personal factors matter. I refuse to speculate on what people I don't know will think or want.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Oct 20, 2007 12:19:58 GMT -5
Although I will say OSU may be the worst of the Big10 Athletic Departments in terms of supporting VB. Really? Worse than Northwestern? Worse than Indiana or Iowa, even with their new coaches? I don't see anything to support your assertion. Then again, it's hard to know really what kind of support the ADs give for any school. We could consider budget information, but other than that, we don't have a lot to go on. Moreover, I would assume that one of the main negotiating points for any coach they hire is going to be the level of administrative support, so even if it lags now, it will likely be improved for the new coach.
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Post by Keystonekid on Oct 20, 2007 12:30:26 GMT -5
If the discussion is indeed "Is OSU a move up from Dayton and OU" its a non-topic. I do know both of them, pretty well. I know they both love their job's, are well supported and obviously successful.
OSU would give them a better salary, give them a much larger operational budget, and an institution whose appeal regionally and nationally is way higher. . Whereas OSU is not the best supported program, it isn't the worst either. When coaches change, you also see MAJOR increases in support. They had a coach who wasn't going anywhere, they didn't have to make major improvements. To attract a top coach they need to, and most certainly will. Their ability to recruit the best of the best kids is a huge factor as well. They will make more money, have a much better budget, be able to attract better athletes, which is my definition of a move up. Now, they may stay where they are, but the reasons won't be because it isn't move up professionally. It would be personally (which I respect) the issues would be comfort, relationships, trust, loyalty to players and administration, community. I respect those things, and admire anyone who values that. But, in the end, when you ask the question "which job allows me to compete at the highest possible level?" this is a no-brainer. I am not to savvy at creating a poll, but I sure would be interested in if people don't think OSU isn't just a move up, but a big one. Salary, budget, potential are not clueless assertions, they are the how people define a professional step up. Not personal, professional. P-dub I coached at the highest level of college volleyball, have players playing at the highest level, and understand recruiting from both sides. I forgot more about college volleyball than you will ever know. You can hang lots of names on me and probably even be right, clueless isn't one of them.
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