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Post by zwangoztango on Oct 22, 2007 14:56:48 GMT -5
At the time Duke beat Purdue, anyone, well, almost anyone, could have beaten Purdue. That team was not a team that would have competed well in the Big-Ten. The Boilers are exponentially better now.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Oct 22, 2007 14:57:38 GMT -5
Wow, IdahoDaddy, Wisconsin plays your # 2 Penn State as close as anyone could possibly play them, and you put them at #9?! That doesn't make too much sense. And 5, I repeat, 5 Pac-10 teams above Wisconsin??? Someone's been drinking a little too much of the Pac-10 cool-aid. As for Northwestern, there is no way they will make the NCAA Tournament. MSU has a chance, just barely a chance if they can right the ship and use their offensive arsenal effectively. I for, one, certainly hope they can. But that would mean winning 5 of their last 10, including at least one win over Michigan, Purdue, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and PSU. And that's IF they can go 5-0 against the rest of the conference. Perhaps, but we'll see when the Elite comes around and there are still those top 5 pac-10 teams.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2007 14:59:55 GMT -5
Top 30+ (and this one is correct ): 1 Nebraska 19-0 2 Stanford 19-1 3 Penn State 18-2 4 Texas 14-3 5 Washington 19-1 6 Wisconsin 17-2 7 Florida 18-1 8 USC 17-3 9 California 16-4 10 UCLA 16-4 11 Hawaii 16-4 12 New Mexico St 19-3 13 San Diego 16-5 14 KSU 15-6 15 Oregon 15-6 16 Oklahoma 16-5 17 St. John's 22-3 18 Cal Poly 14-7 19 Louisville 15-4 20 Sacramento State 21-3 21 Colorado State 15-4 22 Wichita State 19-4 23 Iowa State 12-8 24 Purdue 13-8 25 Minnesota 12-8 26 Michigan 18-4 27 LBSU 13-6 28 UNLV 16-3 29 Ohio 17-4 30 LSU 17-4 HM Clemson 18-2 HM Duke 16-4 HM Santa Clara 14-9 HM TX A&M 16-6
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Oct 22, 2007 15:01:03 GMT -5
I seriously want to know why Duke is so high. Please, please, please explain it to me. I'm not being fascist or facesious or phat-seshush or anything. For the most part, because they keep winning. They felt a correction when they lost to Clemson, but other than that, they have followed the standard rules to AVCA polls 1) Lose and you drop spots 2) Win and you stay where you are, or move up if the teams ahead of you are subject to #1 LSU dropping out is a curious one, however. I told you they would.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Oct 22, 2007 15:03:47 GMT -5
Wow, that mighty Big Ten. Their third place team with a monstrous eight votes. Impressive. Then again, two of the teams tied for 4th are in the top 22.
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Post by snowconeguy on Oct 22, 2007 15:09:30 GMT -5
www Should we just start copying and pasting the Dayton threads from last week and replace dayton with NMSU? The difference is that New Mexico State has actually played folks that we know... albeit, they haven't beaten a Nebraska, or Hawaii, but NMSU scored more points against Nebraska than Hawaii did. Dayton only dropped 5-places. Sick. Minnesota dropped 9 by losing to two NCAA-tournament teams. Oklahoma got no love for their win over KSU. Do the coaches do any homework on this? Oklahoma has gotton no love. Oklahoma should be ranked higher than Kansas State. OU has beat them at home and away. They have a better conference and overall record.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Oct 22, 2007 15:12:28 GMT -5
Should we just start copying and pasting the Dayton threads from last week and replace dayton with NMSU? The difference is that New Mexico State has actually played folks that we know... albeit, they haven't beaten a Nebraska, or Hawaii, but NMSU scored more points against Nebraska than Hawaii did. Dayton only dropped 5-places. Sick. Minnesota dropped 9 by losing to two NCAA-tournament teams. Oklahoma got no love for their win over KSU. Do the coaches do any homework on this? You aren't seriously asking this question, are you? The answer is awfully obvious. Of course they don't. For many of them, all they do is read the summary sheet they get. That's how Oregon gets into the top 25 after losing to Purdue, while Purdue loses votes. That's how Purdue GETS votes this week, after losing to Indiana.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Oct 22, 2007 15:39:37 GMT -5
Do the coaches do any homework on this? You aren't seriously asking this question, are you? No, just stating it for irony. The only thing I can come up with is that the coaches are voting on some sort of potential... but even that is wild. The more I think about it, the more I wonder if the AVCA has some sort of "skew" model where coaches can't bolster some team in their conferences rank by sending them to a 5 when they should be a 20. Know what I mean? I ALMOST wish they would publish the coaches votes.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Oct 22, 2007 15:42:30 GMT -5
For what it is worth, the AVCA poll is making it so that NCAA volleyball is without it's formerly published regional rankings, which, although somewhat flawed, were a great tool to decide power.
Now that the NCAA realized that they didn't have to publish it, we are without it and the recognition it brings to certain regional teams. I feel that the coaches are subsidizing it with their votes.
My question is: "Is the AVCA poll so biased that it is hurting the sport?"
I'm not convinced one way or another yet, but I'm starting to lean towards "yes."
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Post by IdahoBoy on Oct 22, 2007 15:43:55 GMT -5
Top 30+ (and this one is correct ): I fear you've been eating too much of Gorf's leftovers... you have some major issues with your voting!
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Post by dorothymantooth on Oct 22, 2007 15:50:50 GMT -5
It would hurt the sport if the poll where actually published, and anyone really cared about college volleyball. Its hard for a poll to hurt a sport people don't care much about.
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Post by OverAndUnder on Oct 22, 2007 15:52:58 GMT -5
If Badgers win convincingly, this is a reasonable result: 1 Nebraska 2 Stanford 3 Washington 4 Penn State 5 Texas 6 Wisconsin 7 UCLA 8 Southern California Come to think of it, even with the Badgers losing to PSU, I still like my list better than the current poll.
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Post by zwangoztango on Oct 22, 2007 15:55:14 GMT -5
That is a solid poll, maybe with PSU back up to 2 or 3, but other than that, I think that's more realistic.
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Post by GatorVball on Oct 22, 2007 16:07:57 GMT -5
For what it is worth, the AVCA poll is making it so that NCAA volleyball is without it's formerly published regional rankings, which, although somewhat flawed, were a great tool to decide power. Now that the NCAA realized that they didn't have to publish it, we are without it and the recognition it brings to certain regional teams. I feel that the coaches are subsidizing it with their votes. My question is: "Is the AVCA poll so biased that it is hurting the sport?" I'm not convinced one way or another yet, but I'm starting to lean towards "yes." The regional rankings based on RKPI are published every week in the Facts on File link on the AVCA website.
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Post by silverbongfour20 on Oct 22, 2007 16:10:36 GMT -5
Gator. Come on. PSU or Stanford 2, Washington 4. The rest you have right. UW beat Stanford who beat PSU. Is it really that much of a stretch to have them in that order? I'm with you, Washington looks like a solid team. They have my vote to be in the championship final against nebraska if they're not in the same brackets.
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