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Post by vtmiddle24 on Mar 23, 2009 13:23:43 GMT -5
anyone got the full results for vegas? they were supposed to be posted on the website last night.....
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Post by kcvolleyball on Mar 23, 2009 14:29:53 GMT -5
Las Veags Tourney I will be nice here, but could someone please explain how Stanford, who won't even qualify for their league playoffs is in the finals of this tourney??? I said my peace on how I think Clint takes a great tourney and runs it poorly, but since I havent been there for a few years, I will let those who attended comment. Was the tourney run OK? And again, please explain...Stanford in the finals? What gives??? Thanks Andy Price According to NIRSA's Tournament Program, Andy Price played for Penn State in the 2003 NIRSA nationals. IF that was his first year of eligiblity, the 2008 season would have been year 6. That means unless they got a waiver for some reason, Stanford played the 2009 Las Vegas tournament with a player that doesn't meet NCCS/NIRSA player eligibility guidlines. Stanford is not even close to being good enough without this player to merit a gold bracket berth. As for how the tournament was run, 1 pool had to be on site for 10+ hours to complete a 4 team pool. It's been mentioned before, but the draw of this tournament is not how it is run. The draw, plain and simple, is Las Vegas. Also, having the winners of the top 2 seeded pools play each other for a cross over match the 1st day is a joke. It's a meaningless match for the tournament as it has no affect on making the gold bracket. Sure it is a showcase match, but really, what a waste of time the first day.
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Post by gobears on Mar 23, 2009 16:41:38 GMT -5
www.gostanford.com/sports/m-volley/mtt/price_andy00.html shows 6 years up last year as well. I imagine Vegas results are not up yet as there is likely discussion going on about player eligibility. Clint can do whatever he wants about his tourney. If he wants the results to be used for Nationals seeding, then player eligibility requirements will need to be the same. If he wants the tourney to be a fun time for college teams with flexibility as to player rosters, and competitive matches to help teams see some new teams before Nationals...he can do THAT too. Next year's registration guidelines will likely be more detailed.
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Post by onceabighitter on Mar 23, 2009 17:42:03 GMT -5
According to NIRSA's Tournament Program, Andy Price played for Penn State in the 2003 NIRSA nationals. IF that was his first year of eligiblity, the 2008 season would have been year 6. That means unless they got a waiver for some reason, Stanford played the 2009 Las Vegas tournament with a player that doesn't meet NCCS/NIRSA player eligibility guidlines. Stanford is not even close to being good enough without this player to merit a gold bracket berth. As for how the tournament was run, 1 pool had to be on site for 10+ hours to complete a 4 team pool. It's been mentioned before, but the draw of this tournament is not how it is run. The draw, plain and simple, is Las Vegas. Also, having the winners of the top 2 seeded pools play each other for a cross over match the 1st day is a joke. It's a meaningless match for the tournament as it has no affect on making the gold bracket. Sure it is a showcase match, but really, what a waste of time the first day. so this so called SHOWCASE match, was it between Fresno St and Osh? results anyone??
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Post by kcvolleyball on Mar 23, 2009 18:33:31 GMT -5
According to NIRSA's Tournament Program, Andy Price played for Penn State in the 2003 NIRSA nationals. IF that was his first year of eligiblity, the 2008 season would have been year 6. That means unless they got a waiver for some reason, Stanford played the 2009 Las Vegas tournament with a player that doesn't meet NCCS/NIRSA player eligibility guidlines. Stanford is not even close to being good enough without this player to merit a gold bracket berth. As for how the tournament was run, 1 pool had to be on site for 10+ hours to complete a 4 team pool. It's been mentioned before, but the draw of this tournament is not how it is run. The draw, plain and simple, is Las Vegas. Also, having the winners of the top 2 seeded pools play each other for a cross over match the 1st day is a joke. It's a meaningless match for the tournament as it has no affect on making the gold bracket. Sure it is a showcase match, but really, what a waste of time the first day. so this so called SHOWCASE match, was it between Fresno St and Osh? results anyone?? Fresno beat Oshkosh 2-0. 1st game close, 2nd game not
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Post by mcnasty on Mar 24, 2009 0:26:59 GMT -5
what do people think this tournament will do for nationals seeding. Does Illinois take over the first seed, or will Missouri get the 1 and fresno moves down a couple spots and illinois moves up a few spots?
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Post by mucads6 on Mar 24, 2009 0:41:33 GMT -5
i think fresno should still get the one seed, with illionis 2, and missouri 3. I'm not discounting missouri's talent, because their win at hoosier-illini was great. however, i think that fresno and illinois have both proven to have beaten more quality teams and have been a consistently better team then missouri. i think name recognition and reputation will help out with seeding as well. Illinois will also have a great chance to prove a case for a 1 seed, and many other teams besides illionis will have this chance to help seedings, this weekend at MIVAs.
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Post by gobears on Mar 24, 2009 10:46:07 GMT -5
NCCVL championships as well this weekend at Fresno State....FSU will have a chance to show they can win out after their two losses at Vegas. They were streaky. We hope the Bears play well, and get to the Finals vs FSU. Cal II should do well also.
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Post by vtmiddle24 on Mar 24, 2009 11:32:45 GMT -5
what conference is missouri in?
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Post by chiwoj85 on Mar 24, 2009 12:10:40 GMT -5
what conference is missouri in? They aren't in one.
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Post by kcvolleyball on Mar 24, 2009 18:45:34 GMT -5
www.gostanford.com/sports/m-volley/mtt/price_andy00.html shows 6 years up last year as well. I imagine Vegas results are not up yet as there is likely discussion going on about player eligibility. Clint can do whatever he wants about his tourney. If he wants the results to be used for Nationals seeding, then player eligibility requirements will need to be the same. If he wants the tourney to be a fun time for college teams with flexibility as to player rosters, and competitive matches to help teams see some new teams before Nationals...he can do THAT too. Next year's registration guidelines will likely be more detailed. I'm not sure what discussion is going on about player eligibility, but the tournament site itself has this info, which was posted prior to the start of the tournament: www.lasvegasopen.info/location.htmlPlease be advised your team must have legal players and be playing by NIRSA RULES any illegal player/s and your team will be forfeited. SAN MARCOS(08) and BYU(07) were forfeited in the past for playing with Illegal players. Please respect the game and how hard others have worked to get here, don't cheat..,,
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Post by gobears on Mar 24, 2009 20:58:00 GMT -5
unfortunately that text did not appear on the Vegas Open website till a day or two prior to the start of the tourney. rumors were already starting to swirl about ringers.
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Post by MarqVB11 on Mar 24, 2009 21:37:05 GMT -5
Really people...cheating in club volleyball? What is there to gain? Do you realize what being good in club volleyball leads to? Who are you impressing? I played club volleyball for my 4 years. We were good, we won nationals. Know what that counts for now? Nothing. Outside of people I continue to play adult club volleyball with, no one knows or REALLY cares if I was on a good team or a team that didn't win a match in college club volleyball. You play club volleyball because you like to play volleyball. Yes, the competition is serious when you're on the court playing, but once that match ends, what does it matter?
Don't get me confused. I think college club volleyball was great when I was playing, and I'm glad I played. It was one of the things I looked forward to when I was in school and there are some good things I took out of it. But this cheating stuff is ridiculous. If you're not eligible for college club because of whatever reason, get over it and play USAV. College club is not the end of the line for non-varsity volleyball players.
Did anyone cheat in Vegas? I have no idea, but every year there's rumors/accusations...
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Post by onceabighitter on Mar 24, 2009 23:21:49 GMT -5
"Cheating" is what MATC did to win Nationals a few years back. I think you would be hard pressed to say Stanford "cheated" this last weekend with Andy Price playing. My guess is that they wanted to bring a 'good team' to Vegas and figured that it was a good chance to do so. Whether they knew Clint wanted only NIRSA players or not is unknown.
"Cheating" is an effort to gain and advantage, Im pretty sure the 2009 Las Vegas Club VB tourney isnt really something the Stanford guys have been "eyeing".
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Post by cardnalsinningbear on Mar 25, 2009 1:11:31 GMT -5
Stanford did not find out about the rule until Friday when they got there. Having never played in the tournament, and the tournament not sending a packet despite an earlier request, they knew no better. All the players on the team are full-time registered students, and they still comply with the rule of 2 former varsity players. NCCVL has different rules than NCVF (6 years non-continuous, as opposed to NCVF's 6 consecutive years), so it would be difficult to figure out exactly what Vegas rules are. If you didn't notice, Stanford didn't exactly have much of a bench at the tournament, and what are you going to do with players that already paid their own way to the tournament, tell them the team has to go home? Onceabighitter is right, cheating would have been playing with their assistant coach, the Moroccan national team setter, who is also around campus. But the team deemed that outside the spirit of the tournament, despite how fun it might have been. I know Andy, and he's definitely not in it for the Glory, nor is the Stanford team, if you couldn't tell by the huge smiles on their faces after losing in the finals. They had a blast and remembered that they play club volleyball for fun and good competition, not rankings, wins and titles. It won't be much of a problem anyways, since they already requested before the tournament that they be placed in 1AA at nationals due to above mentioned rule differences. Not like they are going to take someone else's seed. Everyone at the tournament knows that the right team won. Things worked out pretty well. Oshkosh could argue somewhat, but they reached the semis and then still lost to Cal in the 3rd place game. Far Western's did it right and posted rules early, hopefully Clint posts early next year as well so that teams actually know what is going on.
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