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Post by kcvolleyball on Mar 25, 2009 1:37:39 GMT -5
hopefully Clint posts early next year as well so that teams actually know what is going on. Amen to that!
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Post by visitor on Mar 25, 2009 2:48:58 GMT -5
it does matter. rankings aren't just based on one team winning the tournament, its about match-ups and how far the rest of the field gets. top teams were upset by Stanford this past weekend. there are still 48 teams in the D-I field, most attended Vegas for National rankings, along with the everything else. it was a poor and selfish decision to bring someone to Vegas not even going to Nationals and hadn't played with the team all year. did not know??? common sense couldn't hurt.
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Post by nccvl on Mar 25, 2009 13:38:49 GMT -5
Beyond Andy Price not being eligible to play and Clint's very visible rules, he is not on Stanford's league roster this season. www.nccvl.info/team.do?teamId=209This is not in the spirit of club volleyball and reduces the integrity of the competition. There is talk of throwing out the Vegas results all together for ranking purposes. It is a shame when the actions of a few affect the group as a whole.
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Post by flyingace on Mar 25, 2009 16:12:07 GMT -5
I know that MATC did something to win nationals a few years ago but what did they do?
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Post by psuvbfan10 on Mar 25, 2009 17:04:31 GMT -5
I think they pretty much played without students - or the students once verified by the roster in Jan/Feb, dropped out of school, got their $ refunded but still played for MATC.
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Post by bounce04 on Mar 25, 2009 18:14:18 GMT -5
First of all there was a tournament packet that was e-mailed out to all regarding every aspect for the tournament on march 16. Unfortunately, if you are not able to field a team, that is no ones fault put your own. For some players and teams out there, they take this club volleyball thing very seriously. Ranking and seating at nationals and playing for national championships is important. With a team, like stanford coming in "cheating" and knocking team out creates a huge problem. With nationals just around the corner teams have little time to rebound. Oshkosh is not the only team that was affect by Stanford’s wins. If stanford did not have the players in question, could we say that they are an average team, would they have made gold? There is a team that got bounced from gold because of that. Thus hurting them in the long run for national seeding. This year seeding at nationals is going to make or break some teams. Been around this for 5 years now and have never seen the playing field so even. This year, compared to previous years, is a lack of a dominate team or two. Looking back, you always had the top few teams who you expected to see in the semis and finals, this year there is no clear favorite. As far as Missouri, did they even play d1 at nationals, for whatever reason I thought that they played d-1aa in the past. MATC had several players that were recruited to play and form a "dream team". They were enlisted in class but most players never in set foot in a classroom, let alone campus. The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel (local paper). Did a whole article on the subject and exposed the story to those beyond the volleyball community. Here are the beginnings of the articles that I found online. It cost money to purchase the whole thing…. There are three
MATC volleyball team making name for itself Author: BOB WOLFLEY Journal Sentinel staff Publication: Milwaukee Journal Sentinel (WI) Publish Date: May 13, 2004 Word Count: 784 Document ID: 102912D9914C00B0 Milwaukee Area Technical College isn't known for the quality of its men's volleyball program. Truth be told, most people wouldn't know MATC even has a volleyball team. But the team that doesn't exist posted a 46-2 record this season and won the national championship in the National Intramural-Recreation Sports Association Division 1 tournament April 8-10 in Charlotte, N.C. MATC stars rarely shone in class
Doubts about volleyball players' eligibility cast shadow on national titles Author: TOM HELD theld@journalsentinel.com, Journal Sentinel Publication: Milwaukee Journal Sentinel (WI) Publish Date: June 14, 2004 Word Count: 926 Document ID: 103379C5A43D3D98 After the men's volleyball team at Milwaukee Area Technical College claimed its second consecutive national club championship, coach Carrie Grulke gushed about her pride in the "student-athletes." However, while their 46-2 record left no doubt about their skills on the court, their performance in the classroom is raising serious questions about the "student" half of the equation. Rival coaches say they're not
MATC volleyball team forfeits championships Players failed to meet standards, internal investigation finds Author: TOM HELD theld@journalsentinel.com, Journal Sentinel Publication: Milwaukee Journal Sentinel (WI) Publish Date: June 19, 2004 Word Count: 656 Document ID: 1035C7EFB83E963C The men's volleyball team at the Milwaukee Area Technical College forfeited its 2003 and 2004 national sport club championships on Friday for failing to meet eligibility and academic standards. An internal investigation at the college found that two players on the 2003 team were not MATC students and several players on the 2004 team failed to complete their courses. The school moved to return the championship trophies and titles, while a review by the National
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Post by bigprocess on Mar 26, 2009 0:27:06 GMT -5
Beyond Andy Price not being eligible to play and Clint's very visible rules, he is not on Stanford's league roster this season. www.nccvl.info/team.do?teamId=209This is not in the spirit of club volleyball and reduces the integrity of the competition. There is talk of throwing out the Vegas results all together for ranking purposes. It is a shame when the actions of a few affect the group as a whole. Ain't that the truth! They really have to discount the results because one ineligible player competed. No one would be complaining if Stanford hadn't performed well - even with a roster full of illegal immigrants.
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Post by mucads6 on Mar 26, 2009 7:39:23 GMT -5
Speaking of inelible players, did the whole Ohio St. fiasco from Hoosier-Illini get solved after they were said to have to many ex-varsity players or something playing for them? If they were, would people deem that "cheating" and discount the results from Hoosier-Illini?
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Post by mucads6 on Mar 26, 2009 7:40:02 GMT -5
also, any word on when the pools for MIVA's will be posted?
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Post by cyberVBmidwest on Mar 26, 2009 11:44:42 GMT -5
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Post by kirbypeanuckle on Mar 26, 2009 20:00:54 GMT -5
This board always seems to gravitate towards rule/eligibility disputes... humbug
Anybody impressed or disappointed with any performances from players and teams in vegas? After seeing everyone at vegas, Nationals seems pretty open to anyone, dont really see a dominate favorite like oshkosh years ago.
I could see Fresno, Illinois, Utah Valley, Oshkosh, Cal, or a handful of others taking it...
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Post by osulibero9 on Mar 26, 2009 21:30:39 GMT -5
I think the eligibility concerns are really being pressed this year because of the even playing field that exists. In years past there has always been an "undisputed" #1 seed going into nationals. As far as i can tell, there is no team that resembles such at this point. As it stands now, I could see any of the top 10 teams taking gold at Nationals. MIVAs this weekend should give a clearer picture of the midwest side of the puzzle. All I know is that Kansas City is gonna have some exciting power pools and brackets, maybe even some normal pools too.
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Post by psulibero12 on Mar 26, 2009 22:20:09 GMT -5
I was in Vegas watching the action since I had many friends from various teams out there and I wasn't too impressed with many of the teams except for Fresno, Oshkosh, and Illinois. Oshkosh should have faced Illinois in the finals, and I think that Fresno was not playing as well on day 2 as they did on the first day. As far as eligibility goes I think it was bogus that Stanford brought 2 ineligible players to the tourney, but it made for good competition for teams like Oshkosh and Illinois. Congrats to Illinois for winning the tournament.
p.s. why don't we save the chatter for someone who actually plays on these teams osulibero9.... or else just change your screen name to osureserve9
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Post by onceabighitter on Mar 27, 2009 0:21:35 GMT -5
I was in Vegas watching the action since I had many friends from various teams out there and I wasn't too impressed with many of the teams except for Fresno, Oshkosh, and Illinois. Oshkosh should have faced Illinois in the finals, and I think that Fresno was not playing as well on day 2 as they did on the first day. As far as eligibility goes I think it was bogus that Stanford brought 2 ineligible players to the tourney, but it made for good competition for teams like Oshkosh and Illinois. Congrats to Illinois for winning the tournament. p.s. why don't we save the chatter for someone who actually plays on these teams osulibero9.... or else just change your screen name to osureserve9 Heard Illinois was down match points to Sac State a few times in the Quarters??
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Post by kcvolleyball on Mar 27, 2009 10:24:44 GMT -5
I was in Vegas watching the action since I had many friends from various teams out there and I wasn't too impressed with many of the teams except for Fresno, Oshkosh, and Illinois. Oshkosh should have faced Illinois in the finals, and I think that Fresno was not playing as well on day 2 as they did on the first day. As far as eligibility goes I think it was bogus that Stanford brought 2 ineligible players to the tourney, but it made for good competition for teams like Oshkosh and Illinois. Congrats to Illinois for winning the tournament. p.s. why don't we save the chatter for someone who actually plays on these teams osulibero9.... or else just change your screen name to osureserve9 Heard Illinois was down match points to Sac State a few times in the Quarters?? Illinois was close to losing the match 0-2. 1st game Sac State had 3 game point chances, missed serve all 3 times, Illinois won 28-26. 2nd game, Sac State won by 3. Illinois won match in 3rd game by 5. Good match, but very close for Illinois to not make it past quarters.
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