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Post by clubvb17 on Mar 1, 2010 23:19:40 GMT -5
MSU moved up five spots to #15. They finished 9th at Hoosier Illini. Notre Dame also finished 9th. Notre Dame moved down 7 spots to #25. Notre Dame is 2-0 against MSU this year...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2010 1:07:48 GMT -5
MSU moved up five spots to #15. They finished 9th at Hoosier Illini. Notre Dame also finished 9th. Notre Dame moved down 7 spots to #25. Notre Dame is 2-0 against MSU this year... Don't even try to understand the reasonings behind the rankings... you'll be stuck for a while. Rankings aren't that big of a deal anyway. It's just one group's opinion of your team relative to everyone else's. Don't worry about it. I thought Notre Dame was pretty good at the Hoosier-Illini. The one outside (Bower, I think was his name...) was really awesome. He could pass pretty well for a big guy, too. I was really impressed with him overall. Their middle (I think he was the captain) was good, too. Rankings don't matter. The only thing that matters is being the only team to end their season with a win. Don't sweat the small stuff.
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Post by clubvb17 on Mar 2, 2010 1:27:17 GMT -5
True. And I think all the teams past the top 10 or so are relatively even.
Anybody watch UCF? what was up with them? Do they stay still have the setter of the past few years?
I think Illinois, Oshkosh, and OSU are a couple notches above everyone else in the midwest right now, even Lakeland.
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Post by bigticket on Mar 2, 2010 12:35:18 GMT -5
MSU moved up five spots to #15. They finished 9th at Hoosier Illini. Notre Dame also finished 9th. Notre Dame moved down 7 spots to #25. Notre Dame is 2-0 against MSU this year...
Don't even try to understand the reasonings behind the rankings... you'll be stuck for a while.
Rankings aren't that big of a deal anyway. It's just one group's opinion of your team relative to everyone else's. Don't worry about it. I thought Notre Dame was pretty good at the Hoosier-Illini. The one outside (Bower, I think was his name...) was really awesome. He could pass pretty well for a big guy, too. I was really impressed with him overall. Their middle (I think he was the captain) was good, too.
Rankings don't matter. The only thing that matters is being the only team to end their season with a win. Don't sweat the small stuff.
....The thing is...rankings DO matter for nationals. Seeding is based on these rankings and everyone knows Sante will do everything in his power to make his MSU squads have the best possible chance to place well in Louisville. If I was Notre Dame, I'd have a major gripe about losing 7 spots and MSU gaining a few!!
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Post by rollwiththepunches on Mar 2, 2010 14:41:22 GMT -5
MSU moved up five spots to #15. They finished 9th at Hoosier Illini. Notre Dame also finished 9th. Notre Dame moved down 7 spots to #25. Notre Dame is 2-0 against MSU this year... Don't even try to understand the reasonings behind the rankings... you'll be stuck for a while. Rankings aren't that big of a deal anyway. It's just one group's opinion of your team relative to everyone else's. Don't worry about it. I thought Notre Dame was pretty good at the Hoosier-Illini. The one outside (Bower, I think was his name...) was really awesome. He could pass pretty well for a big guy, too. I was really impressed with him overall. Their middle (I think he was the captain) was good, too. Rankings don't matter. The only thing that matters is being the only team to end their season with a win. Don't sweat the small stuff. ....The thing is...rankings DO matter for nationals. Seeding is based on these rankings and everyone knows Sante will do everything in his power to make his MSU squads have the best possible chance to place well in Louisville. If I was Notre Dame, I'd have a major gripe about losing 7 spots and MSU gaining a few!! No offense to Notre Dame because while I do think they are a good team, I don't believe they even deserve to be in the top 25 at this point. (Maybe an HM) They have a decent outside but that's just about it. You can't blame sante for boosting MSU up a few slots especially with them beating Penn State. Notre Dame was knocked out the first round of gold and I believe they lost their cross over. They also lost to GrandValley in pool play. To be honest I think Notre Dame would get killed by a team like Iowa (Honerable mention). Like said above, rankings do matter because they are how you are seeded at nationals. But there is still plenty of time for teams to influence their rank. Heck, MSU could struggle thoroughly at MIVA's and everyone will just laugh at these rankings. Either way in order to win nationals every team is going to have to beat other great teams eventually.
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Post by Lew8ftln on Mar 2, 2010 15:02:46 GMT -5
Just wanted to review IU in something I thought was a cool set up. The crossovers between certain pool winners pitted the semifinalists. Basically gave all the participating teams a chance to see some great matchups that most would not be there for on day 2.
This weekends tourney in Iowa does something similar to get teams extra matches, by adding a 2nd round of pools that put the top 4 teams together, the 2nd 4, etc. This is a pretty good alternative to an All Star game, and doesn't hugely affect the top 4 in the brackets.
Side note that obviously Iowa will get a chance to show their mettle this weekend. Mizzou will be there along with a likely full College of Dupage Squad (were missing a couple guys this weekend), Whitewater (lost to OSU), Oshkosh 2 (beat Illinois 2)...and Lakeland is taking an Alumni team which will likely include good enough players to challenge for the trophy.
...also is a great college town with a fun 'get-together' down town IA city every year after day 1.
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Post by clubvb17 on Mar 2, 2010 16:21:44 GMT -5
MSU moved up five spots to #15. They finished 9th at Hoosier Illini. Notre Dame also finished 9th. Notre Dame moved down 7 spots to #25. Notre Dame is 2-0 against MSU this year... Don't even try to understand the reasonings behind the rankings... you'll be stuck for a while. Rankings aren't that big of a deal anyway. It's just one group's opinion of your team relative to everyone else's. Don't worry about it. I thought Notre Dame was pretty good at the Hoosier-Illini. The one outside (Bower, I think was his name...) was really awesome. He could pass pretty well for a big guy, too. I was really impressed with him overall. Their middle (I think he was the captain) was good, too. Rankings don't matter. The only thing that matters is being the only team to end their season with a win. Don't sweat the small stuff. ....The thing is...rankings DO matter for nationals. Seeding is based on these rankings and everyone knows Sante will do everything in his power to make his MSU squads have the best possible chance to place well in Louisville. If I was Notre Dame, I'd have a major gripe about losing 7 spots and MSU gaining a few!! No offense to Notre Dame because while I do think they are a good team, I don't believe they even deserve to be in the top 25 at this point. (Maybe an HM) They have a decent outside but that's just about it. You can't blame sante for boosting MSU up a few slots especially with them beating Penn State. Notre Dame was knocked out the first round of gold and I believe they lost their cross over. They also lost to GrandValley in pool play. To be honest I think Notre Dame would get killed by a team like Iowa (Honerable mention). Like said above, rankings do matter because they are how you are seeded at nationals. But there is still plenty of time for teams to influence their rank. Heck, MSU could struggle thoroughly at MIVA's and everyone will just laugh at these rankings. Either way in order to win nationals every team is going to have to beat other great teams eventually. ND hasn't finished outside of the top 25 at nationals in the last 4 years, so why shouldn't they be ranked? They got 9th at hardwood and 9th and HI. They are currently 3rd in conference. Now I have no problem with ND being low in the top 25 (in the 22-25 range), because they aren't a top team as they have a few too many holes. My problem is MSU being 10 spots higher when they finished in silver at Hardwood and 9th at HI. Head to head, ND beat them in two at hardwood in a best of 3, and beat them in 4 at the Battle at the House of Noise in a best of 5 match.
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Post by Durian on Mar 2, 2010 16:33:52 GMT -5
I'm wondering why ASU is not up there, they were runner ups at the the Mountain West Conference tournament.
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Post by gobears on Mar 2, 2010 16:42:41 GMT -5
Vegas tourney will show a number of interesting results to help in Nationals seedings, I suspect.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2010 17:00:30 GMT -5
Ummm... several people are saying "the rankings matter because they determine your seed at Nationals."
Sorry, but if your attitude is "We need to get a high seed so we can have an easy path to the finals in Kentucky," you don't deserve a high ranking. You should be willing to play the best to earn your title. Rankings don't matter. If you want to win it all, you need to be prepared to beat everyone else anyway. It's not about having an easier path than someone else. That's not the mindset of a great team or a great athlete. That's cowardice.
If you want to be the best, you have to beat the best.
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Post by vtmiddle24 on Mar 2, 2010 20:39:52 GMT -5
not all teams' goals are as lofty as others. every team wants to finish as high as they possibly can. the fact of the matter is, the higher your seed, the better your odds of finishing higher
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2010 23:01:09 GMT -5
not all teams' goals are as lofty as others. every team wants to finish as high as they possibly can. the fact of the matter is, the higher your seed, the better your odds of finishing higher Yeah, I suppose you're right. I understand that. I just think that hoping for an easy route is the wrong way to play the game. I like to be challenged and earn what I get. I'm not saying that the posters who mentioned this want to shy away from competition... I just think that you have to beat the best to be the best. By the way, you were pretty great this weekend. Your performance in the match against Ohio State was pretty outstanding. VT's club program is lucky they have a middle blocker of your caliber - you could easily take your pick of any DI school. Just giving credit where credit is due.
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Post by mivalum on Mar 2, 2010 23:23:12 GMT -5
MSU moved up five spots to #15. They finished 9th at Hoosier Illini. Notre Dame also finished 9th. Notre Dame moved down 7 spots to #25. Notre Dame is 2-0 against MSU this year... Don't even try to understand the reasonings behind the rankings... you'll be stuck for a while. Rankings aren't that big of a deal anyway. It's just one group's opinion of your team relative to everyone else's. Don't worry about it. I thought Notre Dame was pretty good at the Hoosier-Illini. The one outside (Bower, I think was his name...) was really awesome. He could pass pretty well for a big guy, too. I was really impressed with him overall. Their middle (I think he was the captain) was good, too. Rankings don't matter. The only thing that matters is being the only team to end their season with a win. Don't sweat the small stuff. ....The thing is...rankings DO matter for nationals. Seeding is based on these rankings and everyone knows Sante will do everything in his power to make his MSU squads have the best possible chance to place well in Louisville. If I was Notre Dame, I'd have a major gripe about losing 7 spots and MSU gaining a few!! This post is petty. Has ND beaten any Top 10 teams in the last month? How about a Top 25 team? Has MSU beaten any? Check out the MIVA website for results. Looks like the Big Ten is a stronger conference this year, top to bottom. I am not surprised. OSU has a pipeline for volleyball players, and Illinois has a ton of guys playing in high school. Even the Big Ten B teams are doing better this year.
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Post by bazesmom on Mar 3, 2010 12:25:26 GMT -5
not all teams' goals are as lofty as others. every team wants to finish as high as they possibly can. the fact of the matter is, the higher your seed, the better your odds of finishing higher Yeah, I suppose you're right. I understand that. I just think that hoping for an easy route is the wrong way to play the game. I like to be challenged and earn what I get. I'm not saying that the posters who mentioned this want to shy away from competition... I just think that you have to beat the best to be the best. By the way, you were pretty great this weekend. Your performance in the match against Ohio State was pretty outstanding. VT's club program is lucky they have a middle blocker of your caliber - you could easily take your pick of any DI school. Just giving credit where credit is due. Hey baze I remember the first time my mom talked me up on the forums. The truth is you would have been cut by York College if you had tried out there (Whoooooopsie!!!). DoooooOOOOOOOoooooooOOOOOOOO
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Post by vtmiddle24 on Mar 3, 2010 12:36:41 GMT -5
hahahaha you got me aaron... stupid freshman. and thanks for the shout-out, all-american
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