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Post by ShaneM2005 on Jan 1, 2011 14:23:18 GMT -5
I wouldn't think Salima would want to apply to MN unless her husband got a good IT job there or MN shows her the $$$. Her husband's job was the reason why she left PSU. i heard Salima was uninterested in being a head coach, much like Denise Corlett. But didn't Denise Corlett apply for the head coaching job at UCLA this past year when Andy left?
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Post by mnvball2 on Jan 1, 2011 14:45:33 GMT -5
Geoff is from Mn and played his college ball for the Men's program. I think he is one of the top candidates and would be a popular candidate. I agree, not sure the timing is right, he just began his career at OSU and would be hard to just up and leave that program.
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Post by OverAndUnder on Jan 1, 2011 16:28:56 GMT -5
Basing your career choices on the career choices of someone else is a bad idea, unless the other person is your spouse.
Cook is in his mid-50s. He could be at UNL for three more years or fifteen. It makes no sense for Christy to sit in her Iowa State office staring at the phone like a lovestruck 14-year-old girl waiting for a call from the varsity quarterback. She has to live her own life.
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Post by kashi on Jan 1, 2011 17:15:31 GMT -5
i heard Salima was uninterested in being a head coach, much like Denise Corlett. But didn't Denise Corlett apply for the head coaching job at UCLA this past year when Andy left? No she did not. They called her but she was not interested.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2011 18:17:47 GMT -5
I see no evidence that it's easier to recruit elite VB players to Minnesota than it is to ISU. Aside from Berg and Love, what top recruits came to Minnesota from out-of-state?
Mike was able to get the attention of some top recruits, but they didn't come here. That's always going to be a huge challenge for Minnesota volleyball. The Gophers have been to 3 FFs in the last 8 years and the commitments still aren't materializing.
This is also why Mike deserves so much credit for what's been built here. He did it with in-state talent plus players like Branagh, Martin, Gentil and Bratford (and again I include Nelson as an honorary Minnesotan).
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Post by gogophers on Jan 1, 2011 20:31:02 GMT -5
Ruffda, iIf you mean, the very very top recruits--Hodge and Pavan are often mentioned as ones that got away--yes, Minnesota isn't Stanford, Texas, PSU, or Nebraska in attracting those kinds of recruits. But Hebert was able to recruit top 25 players like Jesse Jones, Hartmann, Vatterodt, Roehrig, and, more recently, Tabberson to Minnesota. I think Filho, too, was ranked around 25 or so. Blatt, too, may in that category, even though she didn't stay. And he got Florian, Cumpston, and Carico to transfer to Minnesota. All of them were top recruits. I think Florian and Carico were in the top 10, if memory serves. I'd bet Christy would love to get a comparable slew of top 25 out of state players. That's not to say Minnesota, even if Hebert had stayed, would do in the future what it did in recent years. Hebert had a nice pipeline going to Illinois in the mid-2000s, which is surely narrower now that the Illini are in the ascent.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2011 21:02:13 GMT -5
Now you're just going to get me in trouble, but what the heck.
First of all, transfers don't count as recruits. They count as something, but not as recruits. As a matter of fact, Florian is an example of a top recruit who did not choose Minnesota.
Second, Mike was able to get good players from Illinois, but he never landed one of the top ones. Murphy, for instance, didn't even consider Minnesota as far as I know.
Those are good players you mention. Some of them were (are) very good players. But I think ISU has recruited players on a par with them, at least. Where Minnesota had the big advantage was in getting elite Minnesota recruits to stay home -- Bowman, Nelson (I know, I know), Cowles, Dieter, Gibbemeyer, McNiel. I consider Granquist an elite recruit, too. Not sure ISU can match that list with Iowa players.
But I just do not think it's true that Minnesota has proven to be an attractive spot for the elite out-of-state players. Yes, we've come close and yes, Love and Berg are exceptions, but overall? Not so much. The incoming coach will have the same hurdle to face.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2011 21:06:18 GMT -5
Speaking of Love, I sure hope some of the rumors I'm hearing about her looking elsewhere are incorrect.
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Post by sabervball on Jan 1, 2011 21:37:52 GMT -5
Minn has only ONE D1 school and if your a top recruit from that state, you only have one option if you want to stay in state. When the talent pool takes a dip in this state, so does the W/L record for the school. Keep in mind that this state has a huge pool of vb players in the pipeline.
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Post by ugopher on Jan 1, 2011 21:46:34 GMT -5
One advantage many programs have is that their fans don't constantly dwell on the negatives.
The MN program has a lot of positives - support from administration, a strong fan base, a solid booster club, strong JO programs.
MN may not have gotten the top recruits but neither have a lot of the top programs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2011 21:52:31 GMT -5
I'd disagree with you there. That's *exactly* what the top programs have done.
It is to Minnesota's credit that they are able to play with those top programs, but it's also why they never quite made it to that level. If the Minnesota "pipeline" is producing elite players*, it sure helps, but is that ever going to be enough? I don't know. That's why you need a Love or two every now and then.
*Dieter/Cowles/Gibbemeyer -- and now Wittman/Dixon/McNiel. Nothing to sneeze at.
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Post by gogophers on Jan 1, 2011 21:56:48 GMT -5
Transfers play for you, so they count. They don't play for you for 4 years, but not all recruits do, either.
According to RichKern's site, ISU has had only 4 VB magazine top 50 recruits, from Iowa or otherwise, in the last 10 years, although things are looking up. 3 of them were from the class of 2009, the other from the class of 2010. Minn has had 9 such players from out of state since 2004. Hagerty was another one, one I didn't mention in my last post. You can define the subject however you like. If you want to define it in terms of getting top 5 recruits from out of state, then, sure, Minn = ISU = Podunck U. If you define the subject as whether Minn has been able to recruit top 25 players from out of state with considerably more success than ISU, it has, it simply has.
What rumors--plural, no less--have you heard about Love?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2011 22:00:55 GMT -5
I don't think those players have been top 25. Sorry. I don't. And, no, transfers do *not* count. Not if we're talking about the ability of a program to recruit elite players. You cannot recruit transfers, for starters.
Re Love: That she's transferring -- or considering it.
Heck, what do I have to lose? I'll list them:
Hagerty? Definitely not. Hartmann? Top 25 maybe, but certainly not as high as she was ranked. Roehrig? Nope. Vatterrodt? Nope. Jones? Nope. Potential was there, but never fulfilled. Tabberson might end up being a top 25-type player, but she wasn't ranked top 25. Filho? I don't know. Next two years will tell. Blatt? Yikes.
I am not ripping the program. I am not ripping these players. I am just saying they are not on a par with PSU or Stanford or Florida or Stanford or USC or Texas recruits. Not the out-of-state players.
The point is that I don't see why CJ would think she's going to automatically get better recruits by switching jobs. That's all.
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Post by gogophers on Jan 1, 2011 22:05:34 GMT -5
R: if by "top programs," you mean Stanford, PSU, Texas, and Nebraska, and maybe throwing Florida into the mix, you're right: Minnesota hasn't done nearly as well at plucking top 10 talent from outside the home state. And you're also right, it's difficult to claim into the ranks of the perennial FF teams, just with home grown talent. But the original question was why would Christy want to leave ISU for Minn. And one possible answer is that Minn. has more readily recruited top recruits from within and outside the home state. Now that's not to say that Christy would necessarily replicate Mike's success. Obviously, the coach matters. But she might want to try and could logically assume her chances at getting better recruits would improve if she moved north.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2011 22:09:35 GMT -5
And that's my point: In-state, yes. Out-of-state? I don't see it. Ames, Iowa and Minneapolis, Minnesota are both tough sells.
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