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Post by redbeard2008 on Jan 13, 2012 20:27:57 GMT -5
On behalf of a lot of the followers of this forum, why would you want toget this sort of topic going? Looking at your name, Redbeard, the first thing I visualize is a diirty old man getting his jollies from this sort of thing..Sure, there are a lot of lesbian volleyball players out there on club teams, school teams and national teams. There are lots of lesbian parents and fans out there too...Who cares? Does being lesbian inhibit their talents on or off the court? Enjoy the game for what it is, and who is playing it--not WHO is playing it, if you know what I mean.. Say what?! I see no possible way that Redbeard's post could reasonably be interpreted in this manner. Thanks. All of the red hairs in my beard have turned gray (but not the blond hairs). Another moniker I use in another forum is Kurosawa (no, I'm not Japanese), which might help explain the "Redbeard" moniker to those familiar with Akira Kurosawa's filmography. I did view the documentary mentioned last night and found it to be very worthwhile - if you're a Netflix subscriber, it is available for streaming, instant viewing, or as a DVD at: movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Training_Rules/70119525?trkid=2361637I was particularly struck by the injustices inflicted on the victims by a coach who was protected by the same people (Paterno and Curley) who protected Jerry Sandusky. Promising college careers were ruined, professional dreams crushed. They did not deserve what was done to them. My question, as to whether this is an isolated instance or a more widespread phenomenon, is an honest one. |
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Post by hammer on Jan 13, 2012 20:28:45 GMT -5
Who's talking about the WNBA ? I was referring to college women's basketball. WNBA lesbians are professional lesbians Stanford WBB may not market openly to lesbians, but they draw lots of women who are both out and showing it in their dress and appearance (crew cuts, piercings, tats, etc.). Some of these folks... but not too many... also have Stanford WVB season tickets. [If one connects the dots between my post above and this one, the reason should become apparent.] The last time my season tickets were near such folk was in 2004 at Burnham Pavilion. I wouldn't have had a problem with their snarky remarks and contemptuous glances at me (a male at a female sporting event being like a skunk at a picnic) if they'd just given me a little more legroom (we had reserved bleacher "seating", if one can call it that, and there was no room for my legs). So ironically in some sense, they cut you down to size. |
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Post by NitneLiun on Jan 13, 2012 20:50:06 GMT -5
There certain has been a lot of negative recruiting in the women's basketball world regarding pointing to certain coaches or players as lesbian. I recall one of the issues with Lindy Vivas at Fresno State was that some perceived her to be lesbian (I don't know and I only mention it because this was a very public situation). I thought I heard about a case where one women's BB coach went into a recruit's home and gave the "you don't want to go to that LESBIAN program" pitch, only to be then told that the recruit self-identified as a lesbian. That was actually Rene Portland. |
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Post by NitneLiun on Jan 13, 2012 20:51:15 GMT -5
Say what?! I see no possible way that Redbeard's post could reasonably be interpreted in this manner. Thanks. All of the red hairs in my beard have turned gray (but not the blond hairs). Another moniker I use in another forum is Kurosawa (no, I'm not Japanese), which might help explain the "Redbeard" moniker to those familiar with Akira Kurosawa's filmography. I did view the documentary mentioned last night and found it to be very worthwhile - if you're a Netflix subscriber, it is available for streaming, instant viewing, or as a DVD at: movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Training_Rules/70119525?trkid=2361637I was particularly struck by the injustices inflicted on the victims by a coach who was protected by the same people (Paterno and Curley) who protected Jerry Sandusky. Promising college careers were ruined, professional dreams crushed. They did not deserve what was done to them. My question, as to whether this is an isolated instance or a more widespread phenomenon, is an honest one. Exactly how did Paterno protect Sandusky? You have no idea what you are talking about. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 13, 2012 20:52:55 GMT -5
Thanks. All of the red hairs in my beard have turned gray (but not the blond hairs). Another moniker I use in another forum is Kurosawa (no, I'm not Japanese), which might help explain the "Redbeard" moniker to those familiar with Akira Kurosawa's filmography. I never suspected that, even though I own the movie. Great film. I did go by the alias Rashomon once upon a time for a while, on a game server. |
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Post by NebraskaVBfan93 on Jan 13, 2012 21:25:15 GMT -5
Thanks. All of the red hairs in my beard have turned gray (but not the blond hairs). Another moniker I use in another forum is Kurosawa (no, I'm not Japanese), which might help explain the "Redbeard" moniker to those familiar with Akira Kurosawa's filmography. I did view the documentary mentioned last night and found it to be very worthwhile - if you're a Netflix subscriber, it is available for streaming, instant viewing, or as a DVD at: movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Training_Rules/70119525?trkid=2361637I was particularly struck by the injustices inflicted on the victims by a coach who was protected by the same people (Paterno and Curley) who protected Jerry Sandusky. Promising college careers were ruined, professional dreams crushed. They did not deserve what was done to them. My question, as to whether this is an isolated instance or a more widespread phenomenon, is an honest one. Exactly how did Paterno protect Sandusky? You have no idea what you are talking about. While I may not personally go so far as to say Paterno "protected" Sandusky, he sure didn't do all he could, or in the minds of most clear thinking people, should have done to make sure Sandusky's actions were investigated by the PROPER authorities, as opposed to the PSU good old boys network. |
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Post by RaymondLuxuryYacht on Jan 13, 2012 22:34:42 GMT -5
In a less accepting environment like the one you describe at Portland State, being gay, regardless of how open you may be about it, is a disruption in and of itself because of school or program policies/rules. Now, why a gay player would go to an environment like that is beyond me. I'm surprised it would be an issue after the first couple of seasons. Most probably have realized by now, this did not happen at Portland State, but rather at Penn State under Rene Portland - an understandable convolution, given the names. As an aside, Rene Portland's homophobic tendencies and practices were well-known among the Residence Life staff as far back as the late 1980's. And, official objections were passed on to the "proper authorities". At one time, Joe Paterno was the AD at Penn State, as well as football coach. I don't recall when that changed, but I find it unlikely that he was unaware of the issues surrounding Rene Portland and the PSU WBB program. |
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Post by redbeard2008 on Jan 13, 2012 22:42:09 GMT -5
Thanks. All of the red hairs in my beard have turned gray (but not the blond hairs). Another moniker I use in another forum is Kurosawa (no, I'm not Japanese), which might help explain the "Redbeard" moniker to those familiar with Akira Kurosawa's filmography. I never suspected that, even though I own the movie. Great film. I did go by the alias Rashomon once upon a time for a while, on a game server. I first saw Redbeard sometime back in the 70s at the old Kokusai Theatre in Seattle's Chinatown (now called the International District). I saw Rashomon in the 60s (while still in HS) at the Ridgemont (a legendary Seattle art film house, long gone). |
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 14, 2012 0:27:20 GMT -5
Most probably have realized by now, this did not happen at Portland State, but rather at Penn State under Rene Portland - an understandable convolution, given the names. Thanks for clarifying. While we joke about it every year when the Huskies play "PSU," they really are two different schools. Besides, it was hard to understand how somebody would be able to stay in a public position in Portland with an openly homophobic attitude. That wouldn't fly very far in that city. www.pdx.edu/diversity/Of course, the other PSU has this page: equity.psu.edu/ |
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Post by elevationvb on Jan 14, 2012 0:36:54 GMT -5
There are some who believe that the decline of the Texas Women's Basketball program was related to dirty recruiting by other schools saying that Texas was a gay program. The recruitment of superstar Sheryl Swoopes is often cited as an example.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2012 0:43:53 GMT -5
As this topic pertains to volleyball, I don't think it's too big of an issue in recruiting at least I haven't heard of it being a problem. A friend of mine was being recruited by an openly gay male coach, and the only topic of discussion between the recruit, parent, and coach was all business. Can you play? Can you coach? Do you have a schollie for me? It's the professionalism that matters. You could be the best dressed hetero in the room and still be a douche that nobody wants to play for.
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Post by Huskyfan on Jan 14, 2012 0:50:23 GMT -5
There are some who believe that the decline of the Texas Women's Basketball program was related to dirty recruiting by other schools saying that Texas was a gay program. The recruitment of superstar Sheryl Swoopes is often cited as an example. That's funny, because Swoopes went to Texas Tech in Lubbock. |
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Post by jgrout on Jan 14, 2012 0:56:21 GMT -5
There are many stories about Coach Summitt "reassuring" recruits that gay players were neither present nor welcome at Tennessee. After hearing the superstar younger sister of one of my alma mater's better WBB players spew homophobic venom a few years after she arrived at Tennessee, I decided that my alma mater was better off without her.
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Post by elevationvb on Jan 14, 2012 0:57:07 GMT -5
There are some who believe that the decline of the Texas Women's Basketball program was related to dirty recruiting by other schools saying that Texas was a gay program. The recruitment of superstar Sheryl Swoopes is often cited as an example. That's funny, because Swoopes went to Texas Tech in Lubbock. That is funny how? |
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Post by jets on Jan 14, 2012 1:12:16 GMT -5
That's funny, because Swoopes went to Texas Tech in Lubbock. That is funny how? Because Swoopes is out albeit not until well after leading Tech to a championship. |
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