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Post by geddyleemarvin on Jan 14, 2012 1:34:11 GMT -5
Because Swoopes is out albeit not until well after leading Tech to a championship. Swoopes recently got married - to a guy. And they call Mitt Romney a "flip-flopper." Regardless, she had zero to do with the decline of Texas WBB. That began the day Jody Conradt accepted the SWA position at Texas (1991, I think) while remaining head coach. The two jobs cut into her recruiting/coaching, and Texas suffered. Hiring a mediocre coach as her replacement hasn't helped either. As for VB, I know dozens of families who have gone through the recruiting process, and I've never heard negative recruiting used, at least in respect to sexual preference. A small sampling, perhaps, so take it for what it's worth. Wasn't always that way, though. My wife was heavily recruited by pretty much every major VB school back in the day (we're talking - gulp - 20 years ago), and she has some interesting stories about coaches warning her against going to "Lesbian U."
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 14, 2012 1:42:44 GMT -5
As for VB, I know dozens of families who have gone through the recruiting process, and I've never heard negative recruiting used, at least in respect to sexual preference. A small sampling, perhaps, so take it for what it's worth. Wasn't always that way, though. My wife was heavily recruited by pretty much every major VB school back in the day (we're talking - gulp - 20 years ago), and she has some interesting stories about coaches warning her against going to "Lesbian U." Attitudes change. Most social conservatives now are more socially liberal about homosexuality than social liberals were back in the 70s. I would think that making homophobic comments these days is more likely to dismay a teenager (gay or straight) than it would be to work as a recruiting tool. One thing the big corporations have learned over the years is that acceptance of "diversity" is a recruiting plus.
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Post by elevationvb on Jan 14, 2012 1:43:46 GMT -5
Because Swoopes is out albeit not until well after leading Tech to a championship. But what does that have to do with Texas Tech? She was married to a man and had a baby btw before coming out. BTW, I think I read recently she is engaged to be married - to a man.
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Post by elevationvb on Jan 14, 2012 1:49:05 GMT -5
Because Swoopes is out albeit not until well after leading Tech to a championship. Swoopes recently got married - to a guy. And they call Mitt Romney a "flip-flopper." Regardless, she had zero to do with the decline of Texas WBB. That began the day Jody Conradt accepted the SWA position at Texas (1991, I think) while remaining head coach. The two jobs cut into her recruiting/coaching, and Texas suffered. Hiring a mediocre coach as her replacement hasn't helped either. As for VB, I know dozens of families who have gone through the recruiting process, and I've never heard negative recruiting used, at least in respect to sexual preference. A small sampling, perhaps, so take it for what it's worth. Wasn't always that way, though. My wife was heavily recruited by pretty much every major VB school back in the day (we're talking - gulp - 20 years ago), and she has some interesting stories about coaches warning her against going to "Lesbian U." mediocre coach? Do you know her credentials at Duke? For whatever reason, Gail can't get the top recruits who are going to Baylor, A&M, etc. Do you recall Jody taking the team to the final 4 in 2002? And won another 30 games the following year?
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Post by geddyleemarvin on Jan 14, 2012 1:59:27 GMT -5
Swoopes recently got married - to a guy. And they call Mitt Romney a "flip-flopper." Regardless, she had zero to do with the decline of Texas WBB. That began the day Jody Conradt accepted the SWA position at Texas (1991, I think) while remaining head coach. The two jobs cut into her recruiting/coaching, and Texas suffered. Hiring a mediocre coach as her replacement hasn't helped either. As for VB, I know dozens of families who have gone through the recruiting process, and I've never heard negative recruiting used, at least in respect to sexual preference. A small sampling, perhaps, so take it for what it's worth. Wasn't always that way, though. My wife was heavily recruited by pretty much every major VB school back in the day (we're talking - gulp - 20 years ago), and she has some interesting stories about coaches warning her against going to "Lesbian U." mediocre coach? Do you know her credentials at Duke? For whatever reason, Gail can't get the top recruits who are going to Baylor, A&M, etc. Do you recall Jody taking the team to the final 4 in 2002? And won another 30 games the following year? Yep, I've known Gail for about fifteen years. I'll leave it at that. Jody had a couple of excellent teams in 02/03, preceded by ten years of mediocrity and followed by three years of not even mediocrity. But this moving far away from the OP, which I'll take partial responsibility for - at any rate, my point is that anyone who believes negative recruiting in respect to Swoopes (who had a boyfriend during her recruitment, who she eventually married) hurt Texas is barking up the wrong tree.
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Post by elevationvb on Jan 14, 2012 2:07:51 GMT -5
mediocre coach? Do you know her credentials at Duke? For whatever reason, Gail can't get the top recruits who are going to Baylor, A&M, etc. Do you recall Jody taking the team to the final 4 in 2002? And won another 30 games the following year? Yep, I've known Gail for about fifteen years. I'll leave it at that. Jody had a couple of excellent teams in 02/03, preceded by ten years of mediocrity and followed by three years of not even mediocrity. But this moving far away from the OP, which I'll take partial responsibility for - at any rate, my point is that anyone who believes negative recruiting in respect to Swoopes (who had a boyfriend during her recruitment, who she eventually married) hurt Texas is barking up the wrong tree. sorry, but making the ncaa tournament 8 of the previous 10 seasons to 2002 is not mediocre. Maybe not up to your lofty expectations, but not mediocre. I guess you don't like Gail, but her record at Duke speaks for itself.
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Post by geddyleemarvin on Jan 14, 2012 2:23:27 GMT -5
There are some who believe that the decline of the Texas Women's Basketball program was related to dirty recruiting by other schools saying that Texas was a gay program. The recruitment of superstar Sheryl Swoopes is often cited as an example. OK, so you stated that Texas WBB has declined, but now you're stating that Texas WBB hasn't declined? Color me confused, brah. Oh, and since Gail took over, Texas has been bounced in the first round 3 out of 4 years. Once they made the second round before being bounced. Call it lofty expectations, but that's mediocre in my book.
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Post by NitneLiun on Jan 14, 2012 3:24:10 GMT -5
Exactly how did Paterno protect Sandusky? You have no idea what you are talking about. While I may not personally go so far as to say Paterno "protected" Sandusky, he sure didn't do all he could, or in the minds of most clear thinking people, should have done to make sure Sandusky's actions were investigated by the PROPER authorities, as opposed to the PSU good old boys network. Paterno wasn't a witness to Sandusky's sexual abuse crimes. How could he have made a statement to the police? Paterno reported McQueary's story to his superiors and set up a meeting between the AD and VP of Business and Finance, who had direct executive oversight of the Penn State Police Department. It was at that point that things fell apart. It had nothing to do with Paterno.
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Post by NitneLiun on Jan 14, 2012 3:29:59 GMT -5
As for VB, I know dozens of families who have gone through the recruiting process, and I've never heard negative recruiting used, at least in respect to sexual preference. A small sampling, perhaps, so take it for what it's worth. Wasn't always that way, though. My wife was heavily recruited by pretty much every major VB school back in the day (we're talking - gulp - 20 years ago), and she has some interesting stories about coaches warning her against going to "Lesbian U." Attitudes change. Most social conservatives now are more socially liberal about homosexuality than social liberals were back in the 70s. I would think that making homophobic comments these days is more likely to dismay a teenager (gay or straight) than it would be to work as a recruiting tool. One thing the big corporations have learned over the years is that acceptance of "diversity" is a recruiting plus. Yeah, they learned they had to recruit for diversity or be subjected to federal lawsuits. Diversity is fine if institutions want to pursue it for whatever reason, but I'll never accept the absurd notion that diversity is its own reward.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 14, 2012 4:07:02 GMT -5
Yeah, they learned they had to recruit for diversity or be subjected to federal lawsuits. Diversity is fine if institutions want to pursue it for whatever reason, but I'll never accept the absurd notion that diversity is its own reward. No, it's not that, per se. What it is is that if you arbitrarily restrict yourself from a certain percentage of the talent pool, you hurt your company's chances to recruit the best talent. Tolerance is good business practice. That's why many of the big companies put "domestic partnership" benefits into practice long before any states did. If anything they are a head of the laws, not following them only because they are forced to.
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Post by jsn112 on Jan 14, 2012 6:59:24 GMT -5
I watched the documentary, Training Rules, last night, focusing on the homophobic discrimination practiced by Rene Portland in her 27-year career as head coach of PSU's women's basketball team. Numerous players had their basketball careers derailed or ruined by being demoted or kicked off the team for being actual or suspected lesbians. Other than a comment about rife negative homophobic recruiting (including from Portland, who told one prospective player's parents that PSU's players, unlike another school the player was considering, dated boys, not girls), no examples were presented of similar issues at other schools or in other women's sports, other than an apparent plague of ponytails (signaling heterosexuality?) as opposed to shorter and more "butch" hairstyles. Was this an anomaly at PSU, due to one coach's Catholic fundamentalist biases, or just the tip of an iceberg that has afflicted women's sports in general? Has there been issues with homophobic discrimination or negative anti-lesbian recruiting in women's volleyball? Please, no discussion of past or current individual players. Wow, nothing new on women's volleyball front? Can't wait until the season starts again! I miss it already.
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Post by jsn112 on Jan 14, 2012 7:21:34 GMT -5
Looking at your name, Redbeard, the first thing I visualize is a diirty old man getting his jollies from this sort of thing..................... Reading your response I sense a vile, paranoid, mean spirited attack on a fellow member in good standing Volleytalker. I don't sense that at all from him. He's just asking what does this have to do with volleyball?
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Post by bigfan on Jan 14, 2012 12:12:57 GMT -5
Reading your response I sense a vile, paranoid, mean spirited attack on a fellow member in good standing Volleytalker. I don't sense that at all from him. He's just asking what does this have to do with volleyball? Calling someone a "DIRTY OLD MAN" getting his jollies from this sort of thing...................on a women's volleyball thread does not bring to mind love and peace.
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Post by BearClause on Jan 14, 2012 13:54:10 GMT -5
Because Swoopes is out albeit not until well after leading Tech to a championship. Swoopes recently got married - to a guy. And they call Mitt Romney a "flip-flopper." Regardless, she had zero to do with the decline of Texas WBB. That began the day Jody Conradt accepted the SWA position at Texas (1991, I think) while remaining head coach. The two jobs cut into her recruiting/coaching, and Texas suffered. Hiring a mediocre coach as her replacement hasn't helped either. This opinion piece refers to her as a "combo guard": www.huffingtonpost.com/maya-rupert/sheryl-swoopes-marriage_b_909288.html
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Post by redbeard2008 on Jan 14, 2012 14:03:17 GMT -5
Just some random thoughts stimulated by some of the previous posts in this thread.
One of the differences between WBB and WVB is the predominance of high-profile female coaches (WBB, yes; WVB, much much less so), both past and present. The targets of negative homophobic recruiting have almost always been women, not men coaches. A common taunt against a powerful woman has always been to question her femininity (and heterosexuality).
From one post here, however, it appears that WVB was just as prone to this kind of thing as WBB back when there was a much higher prevalence of women coaches, in the pre-Title IX days, in an era, albeit, when homophobia was itself not only prevalent, but generally approved. In such a circumstance, one way of avoiding being accused is to accuse others. This applies on a broad front (think of the Salem witch trials, for instance). It is very possible, it seems to me, that Portland was reacting negatively to the fear of being labeled a lesbian. Her clear obsession with lesbians might even possibly have originated from her own repressed and latent homosexuality. Reaching? Perhaps, but maybe not. Only her psychoanalyst, if she had one, but not her priest, would likely know...
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