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Post by Gorflorg Orshforg on Aug 8, 2012 22:10:09 GMT -5
McKibbin huh? Interesting choice. Also interesting to see you put Holt in there above Holmes. I'd think Holmes would be in over Smith at least. I think McKibbin is going to progress big time in the next 2-3yrs if he continues with his current arc/pro exposure. David Lee will be our vet/aged MB, no need for 2 (Holmes an Olympic rookie but same age as lee). Smith will be 31yo, Holt will be 27yo. Ok, this is your 2016 lineup? Wasn't sure if it was for Rio or just the next year.
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Post by fingrbustr on Aug 8, 2012 22:10:18 GMT -5
KShoji over the 2012 alternate, Jon Winder? Yeah. Winder isn't the future at setter. Shoji is. I agree here, although I watched Winder all 4yrs in NCAA and really like him too. I just think Kawika can be that good.
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Post by fingrbustr on Aug 8, 2012 22:10:59 GMT -5
I think McKibbin is going to progress big time in the next 2-3yrs if he continues with his current arc/pro exposure. David Lee will be our vet/aged MB, no need for 2 (Holmes an Olympic rookie but same age as lee). Smith will be 31yo, Holt will be 27yo. Ok, this is your 2016 lineup? Wasn't sure if it was for Rio or just the next year. 2016 projected lineup.
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Post by Gorflorg Orshforg on Aug 8, 2012 22:17:59 GMT -5
Ok, this is your 2016 lineup? Wasn't sure if it was for Rio or just the next year. 2016 projected lineup. Ah, ok, in that case the McKibbin and Holt selections make more sense. Just curious, do you see Dylan Davis in the mix going forward? He's got a long way to go blocking, but boy can he swing.
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Post by fingrbustr on Aug 8, 2012 22:18:23 GMT -5
Yeah. Winder isn't the future at setter. Shoji is. I agree here, although I watched Winder all 4yrs in NCAA and really like him too. I just think Kawika can be that good. What do you think of Kehoe's chances? Dark horse anyone?
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Post by noreaster on Aug 8, 2012 22:56:09 GMT -5
If you search Steven Kehoe on the usavolleyball site, you get Bryn Kehoe's bio. I'm going to take that as a "no."
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Post by mplssetter on Aug 9, 2012 0:29:01 GMT -5
Alfee Reft recently left his job at the U of MN to persue a professional volleyball career. I also heard he has interests in the libero spot on the NT.
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Post by justsomeguy2 on Aug 9, 2012 5:40:13 GMT -5
Knipe is out, end of discussion. Speraw can still be a viable candidate to take the job. Riley Mckibbin has no chance at making the team. All of you complain how Kawika is 6'3, Riley is 6'1, less athletic, and less of a natural leader than Kawika. Rooney should be out, Anderson will stay.
Libero should come down to two guys, Andy McGuire and Erik Shoji.
Sander is an athletic freak of nature, and he has the physical capabilities to take over matches from time to time. I'm surprised at the lack of mention that Menzel has gotten. He is a very attractive option for an outside spot (considering his passing improves) and for oppo. Ciarelli is great as well, and his attitude has steadily improved over the past couple of years.
I wouldn't worry much about the middles...that has never been an extremely weak point for the US and it never will be.
All in all, this country has the necessary talent. To me, the biggest worry is the coaching staff. There needs to be a team culture that is established as early as possible, and this is more likely to be done with a great head coach.
Make the right hire and you'll get what you desire.
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Post by gobruins on Aug 9, 2012 7:29:31 GMT -5
knipe is definitely returning to long beach state this august, so will not be returning for another olympic quad... which leads to the question that doesn't have a great or clear answer: who is the next men's hc? if karch isn't offered or doesn't accept the men's gig (hugh has said he'd like karch to be his replacement on the women's side), what true candidates are really out there? speraw is out for the forseeable future with his new ucla gig. ron larsen is a fine coach, but if he wasn't chosen after 2008, what makes him a better candidate this time around? did shawn patchel get a sort of try-out as hc of the pan-am team that won gold in july? if you give it some thought, there aren't a whole lot of folks with appropriate int'l experience (at least within the usa) to choose from. this could be an interesting search for beal What about going overseas for the next coach? Would be cool to have Bernardinho or ZeRoberto (I know, they are not leaving Brazil with the Olympics in Rio).
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Post by jna on Aug 9, 2012 7:37:27 GMT -5
Knipe is out, end of discussion. Speraw can still be a viable candidate to take the job. Riley Mckibbin has no chance at making the team. All of you complain how Kawika is 6'3, Riley is 6'1, less athletic, and less of a natural leader than Kawika. Rooney should be out, Anderson will stay. Libero should come down to two guys, Andy McGuire and Erik Shoji. Sander is an athletic freak of nature, and he has the physical capabilities to take over matches from time to time. I'm surprised at the lack of mention that Menzel has gotten. He is a very attractive option for an outside spot (considering his passing improves) and for oppo. Ciarelli is great as well, and his attitude has steadily improved over the past couple of years. I wouldn't worry much about the middles...that has never been an extremely weak point for the US and it never will be. All in all, this country has the necessary talent. To me, the biggest worry is the coaching staff. There needs to be a team culture that is established as early as possible, and this is more likely to be done with a great head coach. Make the right hire and you'll get what you desire. Good you mentioned Andy McGuire. Karch Kiraly affirmed that Andy is the best libero in the nation. Unfortunately it seems that he is more into beach volleyball lately. As for Russell Holmes, I don't understand why people want him to come back. Personally I think he is very weak. He suffers from the same problem as Ryan Millar - he hits into the net very often. I do like Riley McKibbin. I'd pick him over Jon Winder any time. I don't get it why all the hate over Tony Ciarelli. He is a hell of a player, IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2012 9:09:09 GMT -5
I have this gut feeling that even at 6'3" Shoji can get the job done, but it's just an instinct... agreed, cisco. you know, the idea that lloy ball could get it done was just an instinct at one point too. shoji's the guy going forward...
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Post by OptimusPrime on Aug 9, 2012 10:47:24 GMT -5
You start tomorrow building the future. We are okay at the pins, not great, but okay. We need serious help at the setting, libero and opposite position. Shoji for setter? Other Shoji for Libero? Lots of options right now to give opposite a shot. Still have Patak, Clark, Troy... Also have the kid from BYU who looks pretty good... could take Priddy's spot. My projected lineup for 2013: OH1: Anderson OH2: Rooney OPP: Patak S: Shoji MB1: Holmes MB2: Lee (He's what, 31?) L: Not sure on this one, we will see how Shoji's first pro season goes. But I'd guess we're putting the double Shoji in...... Even by Rio I think it'll be Anderson and Ciarelli or Sander at outside, Clark or Troy at opposite, the Shojis, and Smith and Holmes in the middle. Not the huge blow up everyone is projecting. I am kind of thinking along the same lines! I'd keep Anderson, Rooney, and Lee for now...
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Post by Mac on Aug 9, 2012 14:24:16 GMT -5
I say there's a whole layer of pretty good players who will grow and mature in the next 3 years who were not in the anointed group of players right out of college. Knipe loved to feature his LBS players, and I'm saying there are others who should be allowed to get in the USA gym with a clean slate and show what they've got. Many are playing overseas with little or no opportunities to get USA coaching in the off season and have to go it alone or be the solo foreign player on their foreign teams.
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Post by lonewolf on Aug 9, 2012 20:51:45 GMT -5
Our 6'3 guys are as good as Giba or Murilo ? Wow that's awesome, can't wait to see them dominate internationally for the next decade. If you're going to be sarcastic, it helps if you remember what you wrote: You made the point that the pin hitters on the Pan-Am roster were small. Mhdprod brought up the point that they have played scored well in international competitions. You then brought up the point that Priddy is only 6'5" and had trouble scoring. I just pointed out that there are shorter players out there that have and can still score well against top level competition, so height (which was a focus of your post) is not an end-all determining factor.
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Post by lonewolf on Aug 9, 2012 20:54:36 GMT -5
Ciarelli's a d-bag headcase. Can't imagine why anyone would want to play with him. I don't know him personally, but I thought much the same watching him play his first 2 years in college. From what I've seen he seems to have matured some (or is at least able to control himself more), perhaps after a couple years of playing pro he'll mature more.
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