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Post by spikerthemovie on Dec 28, 2013 12:36:10 GMT -5
I suspect that, when McCutcheon actually joined the program, he was already behind on the 2014s (especially since Rose was snapping up everybody). To me, 2015 is the class that could reveal a lot about his recruiting skills -- with her combination of skills, Seliger-Swenson is going to be stellar and if he can add a couple great hitters from that 2015 class, which there is certainly still time to do, the Gophers should be in business.
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Post by chisovnik on Dec 28, 2013 13:08:15 GMT -5
Who cares? Well, you, for one. Just read your post. If Hugh was the one getting these players we wouldn't be talking about him needing "to start establishing himself as a recruiter ASAP otherwise the future looks bleak." By the way, I don't think the future looks bleak. I just don't it looks exceedingly bright, which was what we Gopher fans were hoping for. No? Hugh can keep the Gophers at 6th to 3rd doing what he's doing. But what about 2nd to 1st and contending for a NC? I think they would have done a lot better this year if they had a libero. I think he was banking on Rosado coming in and taking over the position, but that didn't work out too well.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2013 13:16:34 GMT -5
I suspect that, when McCutcheon actually joined the program, he was already behind on the 2014s (especially since Rose was snapping up everybody). To me, 2015 is the class that could reveal a lot about his recruiting skills -- with her combination of skills, Seliger-Swenson is going to be stellar and if he can add a couple great hitters from that 2015 class, which there is certainly still time to do, the Gophers should be in business. Is there? I thought most of the top 2015s are already committed? I was under the impression the Gophers didn't get the kids they were going after.
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Post by ugopher on Dec 28, 2013 13:50:10 GMT -5
Bottom line is Hugh's recruits would be Laura's recruits would be Penn States recruits would be Purdue's recruits etc. In other words identifying talent for top Big Ten programs is not all that difficult. The real question is why Minnesota has done such a lousy job with local kids? Why are players such as Wilhite, Nora, and now Handley so desirable as transfers when they were not recruited as high school players? Not to mention why players like Goener and McNeil passed on? I believe that Nora was desired by MN but as a walk-on. And, she would have been recruited by the previous staff. MN had offered to Capezio which is probably why Wilhite wasn't offered. It was only after Capezio couldn't get in at MN that Wilhite approached MN. MN wanted Goehner and wanted her badly. But, as a libero candidate vs. a hitter. Marquette is offering her a chance to hit. The T. McNeil situation is still confusing to me. The previous staff wanted her and she wanted MN. It was only after Hebert and Swanson left that the dynamic changed. Did she change her mind? Was the scholarship pulled (and, if so, who made that decision)? I certainly don't know. I've heard a little from both sides and the stories are conflicting. And, I don't know anything about Handley. Although, I'm sure during her recruiting process that MN was still banking on K. McNeil and with Schau coming in, it would be hard to justify recruiting another setter for the same class. The whole setter/recruiting dynamic was changed when K. McNeil left. Similar to when Blatt left a few years ago. However, unless I'm missing something, and I probably am, MN does need hitters in the 2015 and 2016 classes. Only Morgan coming in as a hitter in 2015 and she is primarily a middle. And, coming off a knee surgery. Siegler-Swenson will be nice but who will she be setting? I would also suspect that MN was behind in the 2013, 2014, and 2015 classes before Hugh got here. How many recruiters would ask a potential recruit if they were certain that Hebert would be there when they either arrived or for their full term was completed?
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Post by moody on Dec 28, 2013 16:42:20 GMT -5
re: I would also suspect that MN was behind in the 2013, 2014, and 2015 classes before Hugh got here. How many recruiters would ask a potential recruit if they were certain that Hebert would be there when they either arrived or for their full term was completed? Read more: volleytalk.proboards.com/thread/52647/future-minnesota-2014?page=5#ixzz2oo932djh........ Why would MN be behind in recruiting during these years? When was it announced Hugh would be the head coach at MN starting in 2012? Why would it be hard to recruit to Minnesota when they just hired what was arguably one of the best coaches in the world? Your last paragraph makes no sense to me. I still stand by my statement that over the course of the last few years Minnesota has done a lousy job recruiting MN kids. Why would you NOT recruit Goehner as a hitter? Is Nora now on scholarship? From everything I have heard Taylor McNeil's scholarship was pulled. Why is Handley worth a scholarship now when she wasn't before. That's all s
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2013 21:59:56 GMT -5
Are you people even sure Handley is on scholarship? Scholarships are given for the year, so she isn't getting one in January. Who said that she was promised one for the fall? Anyone...?
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Post by permagrin on Dec 28, 2013 22:57:09 GMT -5
i would guess handley is a walk on as well
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Post by mnsports255 on Dec 28, 2013 23:03:15 GMT -5
i would guess handley is a walk on as well Highly, highly doubt Handley is a walk on. She was probably Syracuse's 2nd best player as a true freshman last year. She has size and athleticism, and was honored with several ACC weekly awards. Also, I am familiar enough with Erica to know she wouldn't leave a full-ride to have to pay for college somewhere else beyond one semester. Palmer leaving opened up a scholarship, and Handley took it.
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Post by HeyHey on Dec 28, 2013 23:10:50 GMT -5
Handley is not going to be a difference maker at Minnesota.
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Post by permagrin on Dec 28, 2013 23:13:31 GMT -5
the reason i say that is i doubt they would have 3 scholarship setters at one time and they would next year, and i believe palmer is still in school for spring
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2013 23:16:16 GMT -5
i would guess handley is a walk on as well Highly, highly doubt Handley is a walk on. She was probably Syracuse's 2nd best player as a true freshman last year. She has size and athleticism, and was honored with several ACC weekly awards. Also, I am familiar enough with Erica to know she wouldn't leave a full-ride to have to pay for college somewhere else beyond one semester. Palmer leaving opened up a scholarship, and Handley took it. Scholarships are awarded yearly, not by semester. There is no open scholarship for Handley to take this winter.
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Post by vbgirls2 on Dec 28, 2013 23:27:07 GMT -5
Not entirely true, if you have someone graduate in December you have that scholarship to give for the spring semester, you cannot award that scholarship if someone leaves the program or transfers out. Keeps coaches from pulling a scholarship mid year to award to someone else.
I agree that you wouldn't scholarship three setters and have four on scholarship when Seliger -Swenson arrives.
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Post by permagrin on Dec 28, 2013 23:32:23 GMT -5
they would have 2 next year if she is because i dont think howard is on scholarship, so 3 with swenson in 2015 but i suppose it will sort itself out by then
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Post by mnsports255 on Dec 28, 2013 23:42:29 GMT -5
they would have 2 next year if she is because i dont think howard is on scholarship, so 3 with swenson in 2015 but i suppose it will sort itself out by then Correct. I don't believe Howard is on scholarship.
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Post by ugopher on Dec 28, 2013 23:59:15 GMT -5
re: I would also suspect that MN was behind in the 2013, 2014, and 2015 classes before Hugh got here. How many recruiters would ask a potential recruit if they were certain that Hebert would be there when they either arrived or for their full term was completed? ........ Why would MN be behind in recruiting during these years? When was it announced Hugh would be the head coach at MN starting in 2012? Why would it be hard to recruit to Minnesota when they just hired what was arguably one of the best coaches in the world? Your last paragraph makes no sense to me. I still stand by my statement that over the course of the last few years Minnesota has done a lousy job recruiting MN kids. Why would you NOT recruit Goehner as a hitter? Is Nora now on scholarship? From everything I have heard Taylor McNeil's scholarship was pulled. Why is Handley worth a scholarship now when she wasn't before. That's all s Some players like to meet the actual coach before they commit, that is why. Hugh wasn't available to them when many 13's, 14's, and 15's recruits were ready to commit. He may be a great coach but recruits still like to be sure they will like the coach. It is interesting that in the last 10 years or so of Hebert's career, MN did a great job of "closing" the border. Molly Kreklow may have been the only player who went out of state and made a big difference. Well, her and Jennifer Lopez. I think Kreklow was a victim of timing as they had Tabberson and McNeil lined up. Kreklow would have been three setters in consecutive classes, not ideal. With Lopez, what I heard was that she was MN's second choice behind Blatt. Had Blatt not committed to MN, Lopez would have been offered. That turned out badly for MN as Blatt committed and then left after one year. I think Lopez would have been great at MN. Goehner is 5'10". Morales aside, I think the belief is that it is tough for hitters of that size to find success in the Big Ten. I personally don't agree that in that categorally (sp) but I believe that was the reason they wanted Geohner as libero vs. hitter. Time will tell how MN's decision on that will turn out. I have no idea what was behind the McNeil decision. Unless, they couldn't get a solid re-commitment from her after the coaching change. If so, I don't know why they couldn't wait until Hugh was on board and could make that decision. It wasn't like they had others lined up. From what I believe, everything is pure speculation as the program won't give out any answers. Nor, should they.
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