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Post by volleylover26 on Jan 17, 2014 14:31:49 GMT -5
I think it says something about his character to blame parents without taking any responsibility himself. Not an ounce of professionalism in his response. Based on some of those comments to the article (and friends I have with kids who play there), the guy is a bully with a seriously over-inflated ego. The fact that an athletic powerhouse like SLC would let a 'winning' coach go should also tell us something. I'm pretty sure they're used to dealing with wealthy parents...can't imagine volleyball parents are any worse than football parents. I don't see a school like that with their athletic resume being bullied by parents. And my guess is the former players speaking up for him may not realize he's gone from very tough but fair to cross-the-line bullying. Obviously he knows volleyball. Maybe this will be a wake up call for him to re-evaluate the track his coaching techniques have taken.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Jan 17, 2014 14:31:51 GMT -5
Coaches don't get fired if they are good coaches and a good person with a 48-2 record. Gil Dobie, legendary football coach at Washington, had a career record of 59-0-3 there...and was fired. Granted that, as his nickname of "Gloomy Gil" shows, he was a bit dour. All we know from this current case, from the coach's own lips, is that he did something, a parent or parents objected, he didn't respond in a way they liked, so he got fired. From the comments, it sounds like a well-known player asked to skip a scheduled match to make an official visit to a top D1 school. He said no. She went anyway, presumably with the blessings of her parent(s). He benched her. My question? What self-respecting coach wouldn't have benched her? Blowing off a scheduled match is a direct challenge to his authority as a coach. Period.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jan 17, 2014 14:37:41 GMT -5
I think it says something about his character to blame parents without taking any responsibility himself. Not an ounce of professionalism in his response. Based on some of those comments to the article (and friends I have with kids who play there), the guy is a bully with a seriously over-inflated ego. The fact that an athletic powerhouse like SLC would let a 'winning' coach go should also tell us something. I'm pretty sure they're used to dealing with wealthy parents...can't imagine volleyball parents are any worse than football parents. I don't see a school like that with their athletic resume being bullied by parents. And my guess is the former players speaking up for him may not realize he's gone from very tough but fair to cross-the-line bullying. Obviously he knows volleyball. Maybe this will be a wake up call for him to re-evaluate the track his coaching techniques have taken. The "track his coaching techniques have taken" got him to 48-2, 960-something wins overall, and multiple state championships.
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Post by volleylover26 on Jan 17, 2014 14:43:04 GMT -5
Not questioning results, although you should look at the talent he's had. Doesn't make his techniques 'right' just because he wins with great talent.
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Post by vbkid111 on Jan 17, 2014 14:47:30 GMT -5
I think it says something about his character to blame parents without taking any responsibility himself. Not an ounce of professionalism in his response. Based on some of those comments to the article (and friends I have with kids who play there), the guy is a bully with a seriously over-inflated ego. The fact that an athletic powerhouse like SLC would let a 'winning' coach go should also tell us something. I'm pretty sure they're used to dealing with wealthy parents...can't imagine volleyball parents are any worse than football parents. I don't see a school like that with their athletic resume being bullied by parents. And my guess is the former players speaking up for him may not realize he's gone from very tough but fair to cross-the-line bullying. Obviously he knows volleyball. Maybe this will be a wake up call for him to re-evaluate the track his coaching techniques have taken. I don't see anything in his comments that suggests that he is "a bully with an over-inflated ego." At all. All I can tell here is that you have friends with kids on the team, which paints you as someone with a bias. Maybe the some of the parents are bullies. Maybe some of the players are malcontents. Maybe a ring-leading parent is a bully who is used to getting his way. One thing is for sure; this man is not the first winning coach to be let go over the complaints of parents, and he won't be the last. Not be a long shot. You are either a VERY young and inexperienced coach...or just a parent. If you are a coach, maybe some day you will be the next coach under fire. If you keep pointing an accusatory finger at your colleagues like this, when it happens to you, don't look around for friends.
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Post by vbkid111 on Jan 17, 2014 14:51:41 GMT -5
Please don't speculate...Southlake Carroll runs a very professional athletics program. I am certain that the AD dept...the High School Administration all did a very in depth review of the entire program. The conclusion to dismiss a 48-2 coach was not taken lightly. However, there must have been plenty of reasons to do just that. This definitely was not a disgruntled parents issue. Your "assurance" means absolutely nothing here.
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Post by longhornfan on Jan 17, 2014 14:52:31 GMT -5
Coaches don't get fired if they are good coaches and a good person with a 48-2 record. Gil Dobie, legendary football coach at Washington, had a career record of 59-0-3 there...and was fired. Granted that, as his nickname of "Gloomy Gil" shows, he was a bit dour. All we know from this current case, from the coach's own lips, is that he did something, a parent or parents objected, he didn't respond in a way they liked, so he got fired. From the comments, it sounds like a well-known player asked to skip a scheduled match to make an official visit to a top D1 school. He said no. She went anyway, presumably with the blessings of her parent(s). He benched her. My question? What self-respecting coach wouldn't have benched her? Blowing off a scheduled match is a direct challenge to his authority as a coach. Period. Redbeard...I follow and enjoy your posts...but your premise is way off. Please go to Facebook...search "Bobby Rawls" and look at his post this morning...it's very accurate...but only scratches the surface. After you read it....would love your coments.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2014 14:57:11 GMT -5
First World problems.
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Post by volleylover26 on Jan 17, 2014 15:01:32 GMT -5
I think it says something about his character to blame parents without taking any responsibility himself. Not an ounce of professionalism in his response. Based on some of those comments to the article (and friends I have with kids who play there), the guy is a bully with a seriously over-inflated ego. The fact that an athletic powerhouse like SLC would let a 'winning' coach go should also tell us something. I'm pretty sure they're used to dealing with wealthy parents...can't imagine volleyball parents are any worse than football parents. I don't see a school like that with their athletic resume being bullied by parents. And my guess is the former players speaking up for him may not realize he's gone from very tough but fair to cross-the-line bullying. Obviously he knows volleyball. Maybe this will be a wake up call for him to re-evaluate the track his coaching techniques have taken. I don't see anything in his comments that suggests that he is "a bully with an over-inflated ego." At all. All I can tell here is that you have friends with kids on the team, which paints you as someone with a bias. Maybe the some of the parents are bullies. Maybe some of the players are malcontents. Maybe a ring-leading parent is a bully who is used to getting his way. One thing is for sure; this man is not the first winning coach to be let go over the complaints of parents, and he won't be the last. Not be a long shot. You are either a VERY young and inexperienced coach...or just a parent. If you are a coach, maybe some day you will be the next coach under fire. If you keep pointing an accusatory finger at your colleagues like this, when it happens to you, don't look around for friends. Just to clarify, I meant the comments others posted to the original article, not Stanfield's comments. I've personally witnessed a few examples of his coaching techniques, so I guess yes that gives me a bias. Did I personally witness all them...no. But my own observations along with several years of consistent comments from a wide variety of people would lead a reasonable person to believe all these stories can't be untrue. I have no problem with 'tough' coaches. Players should be held accountable for their attitudes, behaviors, etc. In this particular situation, I'm glad even a powerhouse athletic school like SLC drew a line regarding what will be acceptable coaching behavior and what will not.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Jan 17, 2014 15:15:49 GMT -5
Gil Dobie, legendary football coach at Washington, had a career record of 59-0-3 there...and was fired. Granted that, as his nickname of "Gloomy Gil" shows, he was a bit dour. All we know from this current case, from the coach's own lips, is that he did something, a parent or parents objected, he didn't respond in a way they liked, so he got fired. From the comments, it sounds like a well-known player asked to skip a scheduled match to make an official visit to a top D1 school. He said no. She went anyway, presumably with the blessings of her parent(s). He benched her. My question? What self-respecting coach wouldn't have benched her? Blowing off a scheduled match is a direct challenge to his authority as a coach. Period. Redbeard...I follow and enjoy your posts...but your premise is way off. Please go to Facebook...search "Bobby Rawls" and look at his post this morning...it's very accurate...but only scratches the surface. After you read it....would love your coments. Sorry, not on Facebook - I know one of the last hold-outs. Maybe you can give me a summary. My premise is pretty simple. She blew off a scheduled match, apparently with the blessings of her parent(s), and in direct defiance of her coach. I mean what would Gene Hackman have done in Hoosiers? She wouldn't have even been sitting on the bench. In 2011, Summer Ross asked Jim McLaughlin if she could skip a couple practices to participate in a beach ball tournament. He said no. At the end of the season, she transferred to a school with a sand program. What would JMac have done if Summer blew off those practices and went to the sand tournament anyway? Well, we'll never know, since Summer had better sense than to defy her coach.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jan 17, 2014 15:19:21 GMT -5
Redbeard...I follow and enjoy your posts...but your premise is way off. Please go to Facebook...search "Bobby Rawls" and look at his post this morning...it's very accurate...but only scratches the surface. After you read it....would love your coments. Sorry, not on Facebook - I know one of the last hold-outs. Maybe you can give me a summary. My premise is pretty simple. She blew off a scheduled match, apparently with the blessings of her parent(s), and in direct defiance of her coach. I mean what would have Gene Hackman done in Hoosiers? She wouldn't have even been sitting on the bench. In 2011, Summer Ross asked Jim McLaughlin if she could skip a couple practices to participate in a beach ball tournament. He said no. At the end of the season, she transferred to a school with a sand program. What would JMac have done if Summer blew off those practices and went to the sand tournament anyway? Well, we'll never know, since Summer had better sense than to defy her coach. It wasn't just a tournament, it was the World Championships. But Summer and her family knew it was a longshot that JMac would let her go. I don't think anyone was particularly upset with his decision at the time. Now, as for the comment referenced, I did read it. I also noticed all the comments from former players thanking the coach for being a positive influence in their lives. But back to the post in question: Mr. Rawls complained that the coach benched a player for skipping a match or matches for her official to UT. Rawl's main complaint seems to be that because the kid is a star, she should have been put back in the lineup sooner. He then goes on to bash the coach for how he treats the players, while admitting that his only point of reference is from sitting in the stands watching matches. He's not a parent, he's not in the practice gym. But he does slip in a little tough-guy posturing, indicating that if his daughter was playing for Stanfield, Mr. Rawls would teach that ol' coach a thing or two behind closed doors. And then we get to what really gets his goat: Under Stanfield, the school "blew three state championships." And there we have it. Now, I have no direct insight to what went on inside that particular program, but you'll have to excuse me if I take Mr. Rawls account with a large grain of salt.
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Post by elevationvb on Jan 17, 2014 15:23:55 GMT -5
Just once it would be nice to see some of the coaches who frequent this board to step up and tell all that they personally know of and have witnessed bullying over the top behavior in some of their fellow coaches - whether it be high school, club or college vb.
The problem isn't always the parents.
If the school administration, in this case, decided it was time for him to go, I'm confident it was with good reason and best for the school and the kids.
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Post by dizzydean on Jan 17, 2014 15:57:34 GMT -5
Redbeard...I follow and enjoy your posts...but your premise is way off. Please go to Facebook...search "Bobby Rawls" and look at his post this morning...it's very accurate...but only scratches the surface. After you read it....would love your coments. Sorry, not on Facebook - I know one of the last hold-outs. Maybe you can give me a summary. My premise is pretty simple. She blew off a scheduled match, apparently with the blessings of her parent(s), and in direct defiance of her coach. I mean what would Gene Hackman have done in Hoosiers? She wouldn't have even been sitting on the bench. In 2011, Summer Ross asked Jim McLaughlin if she could skip a couple practices to participate in a beach ball tournament. He said no. At the end of the season, she transferred to a school with a sand program. What would JMac have done if Summer blew off those practices and went to the sand tournament anyway? Well, we'll never know, since Summer had better sense than to defy her coach. OR... Kid wants to go to dream school. Only time she can go on official visit is when HS is playing meaningless matches against weaker competition. She goes. Coach benches her then holds a grudge rest of the season. If you have really talented players, you have to expect that they're going to go on official visits. Or you can be a stick in the mud just because you can. It can work both ways.
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Post by jcvb on Jan 17, 2014 16:29:26 GMT -5
Sorry, not on Facebook - I know one of the last hold-outs. Maybe you can give me a summary. My premise is pretty simple. She blew off a scheduled match, apparently with the blessings of her parent(s), and in direct defiance of her coach. I mean what would Gene Hackman have done in Hoosiers? She wouldn't have even been sitting on the bench. In 2011, Summer Ross asked Jim McLaughlin if she could skip a couple practices to participate in a beach ball tournament. He said no. At the end of the season, she transferred to a school with a sand program. What would JMac have done if Summer blew off those practices and went to the sand tournament anyway? Well, we'll never know, since Summer had better sense than to defy her coach. OR... Kid wants to go to dream school. Only time she can go on official visit is when HS is playing meaningless matches against weaker competition. She goes. Coach benches her then holds a grudge rest of the season. If you have really talented players, you have to expect that they're going to go on official visits. Or you can be a stick in the mud just because you can. It can work both ways. Four points here. 1) Kids can go on visits anytime. A coach absolutely should have the right to bench a player for anything where she CHOOSES something else over her teammates and her team's culture. 2) The quality of the opponent should never matter. 3) Unless Cat waited and committed after that weekend (which may have happened...I'm truly not sure), her official visit was a formality. Most Division 1 officials in the senior year are formalities and happen only to give that kid the "visit experience." Very few are used to "seal the deal" anymore. 4) I'm pretty sure that one of the top liberos in the nation (maybe THE top) didn't sit a whole lot more that season. So "grudge" might be a little strong.
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Post by dizzydean on Jan 17, 2014 16:35:14 GMT -5
OR... Kid wants to go to dream school. Only time she can go on official visit is when HS is playing meaningless matches against weaker competition. She goes. Coach benches her then holds a grudge rest of the season. If you have really talented players, you have to expect that they're going to go on official visits. Or you can be a stick in the mud just because you can. It can work both ways. Four points here. 1) Kids can go on visits anytime. A coach absolutely should have the right to bench a player for anything where she CHOOSES something else over her teammates and her team's culture. 2) The quality of the opponent should never matter. 3) Unless Cat waited and committed after that weekend (which may have happened...I'm truly not sure), her official visit was a formality. Most Division 1 officials in the senior year are formalities and happen only to give that kid the "visit experience." Very few are used to "seal the deal" anymore. 4) I'm pretty sure that one of the top liberos in the nation (maybe THE top) didn't sit a whole lot more that season. So "grudge" might be a little strong. 1. But only when they're a senior, and if they're still trying to make a decision, fall is the only time to do it. And it's not like she's choosing Six Flags. This is her future. 2. Yeah but it does when as a player you're trying to make your visit as unobtrusive as possible. 3. True. 4. Just going on what I've heard not just about this incident but others.
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