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Post by elevationvb on Jan 17, 2014 21:21:36 GMT -5
I can't possibly imagine how that would be the case. More likely, they scheduled the visit first, then presented the coach with a fait accompli. It was a scheduled match. They had plenty of time to schedule a visit that didn't conflict with her team's schedule. Doesn't matter if the opponent hadn't won a match in the last decade. It sounds more likely to me that her parent(s) didn't want to change their plans (or cancel their unrefundable plane tickets?), so blew the coach off instead. Last year, at a top D1 softball program, a freshman player demanded that her coach start her at 3rd base, rather than in left field. When the coach said no, the player quit the team (and her teammates) in the middle of the season. That team fell one game short of playing for the national championship. If that coach had folded to that player (a top recruit), she would have been going against everything she believed in as a coach. Didn't Cat McCoy commit to Texas in October of her Junior year? That means she was already committed when she took the visit, right? I think it is funny that everyone thinks that because the parents complained, they were wrong, and the coach was right. I ran a club for over a decade. I had many times that the parents came to me and complained about the coach. Sometimes they were right, and sometimes they were wrong. I had coaches that were doing things that were just wrong for the girls, yet there were still parents who defended him/her. Everyone has a bias. Early commits take their official visit during their senior season.
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Post by toomuchvb on Jan 17, 2014 21:24:15 GMT -5
All commits take their official visit during senior season (year).
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Post by elevationvb on Jan 17, 2014 21:25:13 GMT -5
It goes beyond just missing a match. It is pretty apparent she was benched for openly defying the coach. [brRedbeard...come on...you're smarter than this. There is no way in the world a school like Southlake Carroll would fire a coach based on these speculations. The school produces some of the best student athletes in the country. This is not about any one player....this is about a complete and total breakdown between the coach and his players...the coach and the administration over a number of years and a number of issues.. Do you really think the Administration just let him go for no legitimate reason? Exactly. They didn't wait for the coach to have a sub par season to get rid of him. They probably had enough of his behavior.
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Post by elevationvb on Jan 17, 2014 21:26:18 GMT -5
All commits take their official visit during senior season (year). Hey, quit copying me!!! And beat you by 2 minutes, whew!
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Post by redbeard2008 on Jan 17, 2014 22:44:06 GMT -5
I'm not disagreeing...but have seen some coaches who were very cut-throat in their approach.Not that it was effective... Regardless, all we can do is speculate. Without knowing all the details, we're guessing...but in agreement that somehow she ticked the coach off and he put her in the "doghouse." Nor am I. I have no idea whether he's a bully or just a fair, but disciplinarian, coach who just ticked off the wrong parent(s) by benching their sweet dear daughter. Not defending the coach, just saying the discipline (being benched for several matches) was not inappropriate for what it looks like was done. See here a video of an interview of Stanfield: www.wfaa.com/news/local/Top-volleyball-coach-released--240681161.html
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Post by WI FIB on Jan 17, 2014 22:53:31 GMT -5
Did he by chance coach for TAV a few years ago. If so...I remember this guy.
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Post by owlsem on Jan 17, 2014 23:26:53 GMT -5
Did he by chance coach for TAV a few years ago. If so...I remember this guy. Still does. 18 2nd team coach. Moved from top teams at club to second team when he moved to SLC. SLC has many girls in the TAV program and he wanted to make sure they had opportunities at the top teams. As a SLC coach he could not coach girls in the off season at club so he changed for their benefit.
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Post by OverAndUnder on Jan 18, 2014 2:57:46 GMT -5
If the school administration, in this case, decided it was time for him to go, I'm confident it was with good reason and best for the school and the kids.Hah. Hahaha. Hahahaha hahahaha. A-HAHJAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHANAHAHAHANAN HhHahahahahanahahaha Oh my goodness. Thanks. I really needed that laugh today.
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Post by PTW winner on Jan 18, 2014 9:47:37 GMT -5
I've watched Arthur coach for 30 years. Every year I wondered how a parent would allow their kid to be coached by him. Simply the wrong way to coach. The wrong example of handling competition, adversity, teamates, communication and life. His results were due to the talent more than his approach to coaching. Regardless, parents choosing results over character is inexcusable. Why so many people admire this self serving, destructive ego centered coaching in society is more than troubling. You can be a demanding, driving coach and still be a good example that creates a constructive environment for the kids. So many don't know the difference.
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Post by elevationvb on Jan 18, 2014 9:59:24 GMT -5
If the school administration, in this case, decided it was time for him to go, I'm confident it was with good reason and best for the school and the kids.Hah. Hahaha. Hahahaha hahahaha. A-HAHJAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHANAHAHAHANAN HhHahahahahanahahaha Oh my goodness. Thanks. I really needed that laugh today. Translation - nothing to say.
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Post by elevationvb on Jan 18, 2014 10:00:18 GMT -5
I've watched Arthur coach for 30 years. Every year I wondered how a parent would allow their kid to be coached by him. Simply the wrong way to coach. The wrong example of handling competition, adversity, teamates, communication and life. His results were due to the talent more than his approach to coaching. Regardless, parents choosing results over character is inexcusable. Why so many people admire this self serving, destructive ego centered coaching in society is more than troubling. You can be a demanding, driving coach and still be a good example that creates a constructive environment for the kids. So many don't know the difference. Watch out. O&A may not be able to handle another big laff!
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Post by austintatious on Jan 18, 2014 23:13:46 GMT -5
austiatatous, you make some comments that I am curious about. First, I will not judge this coach for this issue. I do not know him so I am not in a position to judge him. But my question is why are you initially blaming the parents? You also say he is a good man and a good coach. If he is, why was he fired? Just curious as to why you took that spin in your post. Coaches don't get fired if they are good coaches and a good person with a 48-2 record. Now they get fired if they are a good person but have a losing record. They get fired if they are a--holes and are mean and demeaning or have unethical conduct. I do not know if any of those characteristics apply in this case, but just curious as to your portrayal of this man. Great post, I will try to explain my thought process. I knew Arthur, coached against him in the early 80s thorugh early 90s and reffed him through late 90s when I left Texas. He is loud by nature, opinionated, but an excellent coach, has turned out many many quality players that have gone on to success at all levels. I will concur with your comment about successful coaches don't get fired with 48-2 record unless they are a--holes and are mean and demeaning or have unethical conduct until the last four or five years. I would say with the power that parents now have with booster clubs and raising funds, and political connections, it does and is happening now a days. And based on nothing more than history, I believe this is what probably happened. If he had committed unethical behavior I guarantee the AD would have let it be known. But moving in another direction when you are 48-2 too me, screams he pissed some parents off, didn't give them the court time they thought was deserved or didn't push a player for certain honors. The last instance I just last year where I live now, a parent pulled his DD because coach didn't nominate DD for certain awards. Tried to get coach fired. So you are right in questioning, but I think, the times have changed and coaches, both in juniors, high school and college are targets, they deserve better. And yes, I am giving Arthur the benefit of the doubt until I hear otherwise.
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Post by austintatious on Jan 18, 2014 23:28:28 GMT -5
[brRedbeard...come on...you're smarter than this. There is no way in the world a school like Southlake Carroll would fire a coach based on these speculations. The school produces some of the best student athletes in the country. This is not about any one player....this is about a complete and total breakdown between the coach and his players...the coach and the administration over a number of years and a number of issues.. Do you really think the Administration just let him go for no legitimate reason? Exactly. They didn't wait for the coach to have a sub par season to get rid of him. They probably had enough of his behavior.
Elevation, first of all, if it wasn't Cat McCoy, I doubt you would have even posted an opinion. Secondly, and I am not saying this is the case here, but YES, I can imagine an administration buckling under to pressure depending on where and how high up that pressure is coming from. People, like high paying jobs and keeping them.
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Post by scubasteve on Jan 18, 2014 23:44:51 GMT -5
People backing the parents in this scenario, unless there is proven major improprieties(are there?) are simply part of the larger problem of entitlement. Is there anything else going on here that 5 pages couldn't vet out? He was tough, asked for each player to live the culture of the team, be selfless, instill consequences when rules were broken? This is the perfect example of parents/adminstrations enabling and hamstringing their kids for life. And at the expense of a person, from what i have heard from this post, dedicated to coaching and teaching kids.
Is there something concrete other than this bs that got him fired? If so, and it is actually legit, then that is different. But it appears nobody can pull that up.
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Post by vball54 on Jan 19, 2014 11:15:32 GMT -5
Austiantatioius, great points. I have now gone back and read the comments from the news paper article. Sure see that Arthur received a lot of respect from a number of his players. Also, it appears that others did not like his approach. I am very opposed to entitlements but I also agree that pride can get in the way of common sense decisions. I do not know Arthur on a personal level. I too have seen him coach for years. Very thankful that my daughter was not getting the tongue lashing that I have observed. To say that he is loud misses the point. I have seen many matches lost due to his technique. I have seen D1 players wilt under his presence. I guess you can argue that it made the girls stronger but I disagree. I believe coaches can be critical without being demeaning. Arthur crossed the line many times. He is passionate but never learned to reel it in. Just my observation.
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