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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 16:48:37 GMT -5
If theres anything we can be sure of, speraw will use the revolving door from now until rio to see what everyones got. I think we will see a lot of people, including a lot of new names getting into the gym and getting some playing time. It doesnt mean any of them will have a shot at rio, but hes going to play around with the puzzle and move the parts all around and see which ones fit best.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Apr 20, 2014 19:33:45 GMT -5
He's saying nobody was talking libero's or about little Shoji till you suggested he might not play... Moot point, no need for support. --- As for setters... Micah and West are who I see in the future. I haven't seen Shaw enough to know what sets him apart from other tall setters in recent years (Caldwell, Ammerman..). Wait, are you talking to me or akbar? As for Shaw, rest assured he is better than the two you mentioned, and I think he'll be better than West in a year or two (For now they're about neck in neck), but I'm not sold on him being in Rio...He'd definitely have to leave school early, and no way that's happening. Stanford might be down next year, but they should be top five when he's a senior, and I don't he'd leave no matter how bad they were, considering who his dad is and all. He's got a good shot at 2020, but 2016 seems like a pipe dream (Rhyme not intended). Christenson being as good as he is as young as he is really exceptional, so let's not get all caught up in thinking every good college setter is going be seeing time in WL or in Poland for the WC. Of course he would miss a year if that meant he would go to the Olympics, why on earth wouldn't he? He doesn't lose eligibility, could still finish his degree. No idea how his dad would figure into that. He would support it, and so would Stanford.
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Post by darian on Apr 20, 2014 22:48:44 GMT -5
I would love to see Sander at the OH2 spot and Troy at the Oppo. I would think Holt and Smith at the middle? As for setters, Christenson is a for sure, but I'm not sure about Shaw since passing in college in different than passing internationally and with passes far off the net, Shaw won't be able to set how he is now.
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Post by Gorflorg Orshforg on Apr 21, 2014 1:29:19 GMT -5
Wait, are you talking to me or akbar? As for Shaw, rest assured he is better than the two you mentioned, and I think he'll be better than West in a year or two (For now they're about neck in neck), but I'm not sold on him being in Rio...He'd definitely have to leave school early, and no way that's happening. Stanford might be down next year, but they should be top five when he's a senior, and I don't he'd leave no matter how bad they were, considering who his dad is and all. He's got a good shot at 2020, but 2016 seems like a pipe dream (Rhyme not intended). Christenson being as good as he is as young as he is really exceptional, so let's not get all caught up in thinking every good college setter is going be seeing time in WL or in Poland for the WC. Of course he would miss a year if that meant he would go to the Olympics, why on earth wouldn't he? He doesn't lose eligibility, could still finish his degree. No idea how his dad would figure into that. He would support it, and so would Stanford. I was talking about playing professionally before Rio, which, in my opinion, is the only way he'd be ready for the Olympic team by then. Of course he'd take time off for The Olympics if he got the chance.
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Post by v0lleyfolife on Apr 21, 2014 6:23:00 GMT -5
All of these players need quite a bit of grooming to be ready to set in Rio... Other guys at their age have been playing pro at a high level for a few years now. Micah is the closest to being ready considering he has seen court time already. He has one more season at USC and if he can hop onto a strong pro squad I think he has a good chance to be there for Rio. But we will see what happens just because these guys are great college setters doesn't mean it will translate for USA. Look at Winder for example, amazing collegiate setter but never was considered the guy for USA.
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Post by jna on Apr 21, 2014 10:21:46 GMT -5
If theres anything we can be sure of, speraw will use the revolving door from now until rio to see what everyones got. I think we will see a lot of people, including a lot of new names getting into the gym and getting some playing time. It doesnt mean any of them will have a shot at rio, but hes going to play around with the puzzle and move the parts all around and see which ones fit best. I hope so. All I wish is that John Speraw takes a page out of Karch Kiraly's book and bring every outstanding player from college into the gym. I know the thread is about setters. However a few guys have brought up something on other positions. Considering the national team is my great weakness... :Dso I'd like to mention that if guys like James Shaw and Jonah Seif have gotten into contention and they are still wrapping up their sophomore year in college, so I wonder if Thomas Jaeschke (sophomore) and Lucas Yoder (freshman - of the year!) should be seriously regarded as strong contenders as well. Those guys have definetely showed a huge potential - far above many players who are even in their senior year now. Oh... and I'm glad that a few of you are accepting that the Shoji brothers are overrated.
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Post by Gorflorg Orshforg on Apr 21, 2014 10:45:56 GMT -5
If theres anything we can be sure of, speraw will use the revolving door from now until rio to see what everyones got. I think we will see a lot of people, including a lot of new names getting into the gym and getting some playing time. It doesnt mean any of them will have a shot at rio, but hes going to play around with the puzzle and move the parts all around and see which ones fit best. I hope so. All I wish is that John Speraw takes a page out of Karch Kiraly's book and bring every outstanding player from college into the gym. I know the thread is about setters. However a few guys have brought up something on other positions. Considering the national team is my great weakness... :Dso I'd like to mention that if guys like James Shaw and Jonah Seif have gotten into contention and they are still wrapping up their sophomore year in college, so I wonder if Thomas Jaeschke (sophomore) and Lucas Yoder (freshman - of the year!) should be seriously regarded as strong contenders as well. Those guys have definetely showed a huge potential - far above many players who are even in their senior year now. Oh... and I'm glad that a few of you are accepting that the Shoji brothers are overrated. Why do you think Erik Shoji is overrated?
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Post by volleyball949 on Apr 21, 2014 14:05:10 GMT -5
Libero Shoji is way good. Not overrated at all
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Post by jna on Apr 21, 2014 14:41:49 GMT -5
I hope so. All I wish is that John Speraw takes a page out of Karch Kiraly's book and bring every outstanding player from college into the gym. I know the thread is about setters. However a few guys have brought up something on other positions. Considering the national team is my great weakness... :Dso I'd like to mention that if guys like James Shaw and Jonah Seif have gotten into contention and they are still wrapping up their sophomore year in college, so I wonder if Thomas Jaeschke (sophomore) and Lucas Yoder (freshman - of the year!) should be seriously regarded as strong contenders as well. Those guys have definetely showed a huge potential - far above many players who are even in their senior year now. Oh... and I'm glad that a few of you are accepting that the Shoji brothers are overrated. Why do you think Erik Shoji is overrated? In the first place I don't like Erik's posture. He gets all downcast every time he fails to dig a ball up and pouts when he is aced. He behaves in a way too childish, sometimes. In the second place, Erik never dives for a ball coming from a strong serve. When the ball doesn't come his way he just stares at it and let it land on the the court. It's been like that since his times of cardinal. I think Michael Brinkley can challenge him. As for Kawika, he is too laser and very error-prone. He will certainly have his work cut out to beat Christenson, West and Shaw in a near future.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Apr 21, 2014 14:48:36 GMT -5
Why do you think Erik Shoji is overrated? In the first place I don't like Erik's posture. He gets all downcast every time he fails to dig a ball up and pouts when he is aced. He behaves in a way too childish, sometimes. In the second place, Erik never dives for a ball coming from a strong serve. When the ball doesn't come his way he just stares at it and let it land on the the court. It's been like that since his times of cardinal. I think Michael Brinkley can challenge him. As for Kawika, he is too laser and very error-prone. He will certainly have his work cut out to beat Christenson, West and Shaw in a near future. I agree about kawika having his work cut out for him, but not erik. Erik is one of the best Liberos in the country, if not the best libero. He wasn't named a four time AA, (the first in the history of the avca on the mens side), for being like how you say he is. And this is all as a libero. Being first team as a libero is hard enough since usually only one make the list.
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Post by Gorflorg Orshforg on Apr 21, 2014 14:55:55 GMT -5
Why do you think Erik Shoji is overrated? In the first place I don't like Erik's posture. He gets all downcast every time he fails to dig a ball up and pouts when he is aced. He behaves in a way too childish, sometimes. In the second place, Erik never dives for a ball coming from a strong serve. When the ball doesn't come his way he just stares at it and let it land on the the court. It's been like that since his times of cardinal. I think Michael Brinkley can challenge him. And yet his reception and dig statistics are among the best in the world. He's played in two major international competitions and he has finished both of them as the leader in digs, by significant margins. He hasn't qualified for the reception leaderboard either time for some reason, maybe attempts though it doesn't look like that from the stats, but his actual numbers were near the top. FIVB reception stats aren't exactly trustworthy anyway. He could stand to be more assertive in serve receive against topspin servers, though his actual results are still pretty outstanding and I'm sure he'll only get better in that regard. As for his attitude, I've never noticed any problems and I've never seen or heard anything to indicate that there are any. Brinkley wasn't half the player Shoji was in college, and even if he was he's two years behind in development, he probably won't play in an international match until summer 2015 at the earliest. No way he's at Shoji's level by 2016, if ever.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Apr 21, 2014 15:00:23 GMT -5
In the first place I don't like Erik's posture. He gets all downcast every time he fails to dig a ball up and pouts when he is aced. He behaves in a way too childish, sometimes. In the second place, Erik never dives for a ball coming from a strong serve. When the ball doesn't come his way he just stares at it and let it land on the the court. It's been like that since his times of cardinal. I think Michael Brinkley can challenge him. And yet his reception and dig statistics are among the best in the world. He's played in two major international competitions and he has finished both of them as the leader in digs, by significant margins. He hasn't qualified for the reception leaderboard either time for some reason, maybe attempts though it doesn't look like that from the stats, but his actual numbers were near the top. FIVB reception stats aren't exactly trustworthy anyway. He could stand to be more assertive in serve receive against topspin servers, though his actual results are still pretty outstanding and I'm sure he'll only get better in that regard. As for his attitude, I've never noticed any problems and I've never seen or heard anything to indicate that there are any. Brinkley wasn't half the player Shoji was in college, and even if he was he's two years behind in development, he probably won't play in an international match until summer 2015 at the earliest. No way he's at Shoji's level by 2016, if ever. Thank you! Erik is by far the best libero the national team has. Unless something miraculous happens, erik will be the starting libero for the national team for a long time. I didn't think we has going to be that good when he got to stanford, and I was proven wrong. He was by far the best player on the court most of the time. I haven't really payed much attention to his stats as of now, but he's still amazing
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Post by v0lleyfolife on Apr 21, 2014 15:58:42 GMT -5
Erik Shoji is an excellent libero and will continue to be so for team USA. It is unfortunate that only one libero can really see major court time because Alfred Reft and Dustin Watten are both so great in their own right.
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Post by hunter on Apr 21, 2014 19:08:54 GMT -5
hey guys, there are setters in the EIVA and MIVA that are pretty good. wheres the love??
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Post by rex1080 on Apr 21, 2014 19:22:32 GMT -5
Erik Shoji and Michael Brinkley are both amazing players. But if that team wants to win the gold, they'll need a guy like Brinkley to challenge Shoji and push him and vice versa. Competition breeds success.
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