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Post by bAnthony on Apr 21, 2014 19:25:24 GMT -5
I want to see Dusty on the roster this summer. I think he will be an asset, even if he doesn't end up being the main guy in Rio.
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Post by hunter on Apr 21, 2014 19:45:12 GMT -5
dusty, who??
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Post by bAnthony on Apr 21, 2014 20:20:39 GMT -5
Dusty Watten, starting libero for Moda Maringa.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2014 21:58:54 GMT -5
eh i dont think watten is in the picture anymore.. he will be in the gym, but hes losing relevance (if he had any). i think its going to be shoji vs the current junior class. there are some pretty good players, Brinkley being the frontrunner, but some other names catching up i think. I dont want to throw any names, but i like what i see from another player in Brinkleys class, and think that next year will be a great libero show between the two. I just dont see Brinkley on the same progression in skill that he had been up until this year. I hope he hasnt topped off for USA's sake. If someone can beat shoji, it will be a great thing for USA. Shoji is good enough, but isnt a star. Stats are stats, but is he really getting the team to be the best they can be from his position. I dont think so.
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Post by baywatcher on Apr 21, 2014 22:27:47 GMT -5
hey guys, there are setters in the EIVA and MIVA that are pretty good. wheres the love?? Well, tell us about them. We don't see them play much out here, for whatever reasons. Obviously the Loyola setter is top notch, since his team never loses.
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Post by midwestvolleyball on Apr 22, 2014 9:39:42 GMT -5
hey guys, there are setters in the EIVA and MIVA that are pretty good. wheres the love?? Well, tell us about them. We don't see them play much out here, for whatever reasons. Obviously the Loyola setter is top notch, since his team never loses. First of all, easy with the sarcasm. Loyolas setter isn't at the top nationally but you're right, all he does is win. I said this on a different thread but Loyola has only lost 4 matches since he took over at the starting position midway through last season. And second, Hunter is obviously referring to his boy Graham Mcilvane.
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Post by hunter on Apr 22, 2014 11:14:02 GMT -5
no, i believe when i say PIVA and MIVA im referring to talent in both conferences, all positions. just tired of the MPSF always assuming their players are superior to anyone east of cali.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2014 12:00:35 GMT -5
A) nobody calls it "Cali". B) we don't assume everyone is better than the Midwest/eastern conferences, there just isnt anyone who would be the best in the Mpsf by a long shot. You guys praise your players and say they are the best thing to happen to volleyball and that they should be all Americans, but they aren't and shouldn't be. If you are a player in the Midwest and want to be recognized as a great player that will compete and be in these conversations, make a move to get some sunshine in your life and get into the top conference with the top teams. Mitch stahl, top recruit last year, where did he go? He had to fight for a starting spot on a team that lost in the first round. Try and tell me he wouldn't have started at any miva or eiva school.
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Post by preschooler on Apr 22, 2014 12:13:45 GMT -5
I do think that Hutz has been a key to Loyola success this year, however if I am ranking setters for the Miva I would put Buldog first. I think Bj could continue his career if he chooses to.
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Post by midwestvolleyball on Apr 22, 2014 12:14:39 GMT -5
A) nobody calls it "Cali". B) we don't assume everyone is better than the Midwest/eastern conferences, there just isnt anyone who would be the best in the Mpsf by a long shot. You guys praise your players and say they are the best thing to happen to volleyball and that they should be all Americans, but they aren't and shouldn't be. If you are a player in the Midwest and want to be recognized as a great player that will compete and be in these conversations, make a move to get some sunshine in your life and get into the top conference with the top teams. Mitch stahl, top recruit last year, where did he go? He had to fight for a starting spot on a team that lost in the first round. Try and tell me he wouldn't have started at any miva or eiva school. This is by far the most inflammatory and ignorant post I have ever read on this site. There is no doubt that the depth of talent in the MPSF far exceeds the depth in the MIVA or EIVA but to say that the top players in those conferences don't compare to the MPSF and that they should transfer if they want to be taken seriously is just completely ludicrous. A guy like Tom Jaeschke would be a starter on ANY team in the MPSF right now, but guess what...if he did he wouldnt be playing on the number 1 ranked team in the nation. I could go on and on about how stupid the previous post is but I will stop there.
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Post by 5280volleyball on Apr 22, 2014 13:17:54 GMT -5
To summarize: Micah Christensen will set in Rio barring some sort of catastrophe. USC's attackers outside of Lucas Yoder and Benesh are suspect, so I agree with disregarding his college stats. He looked very solid in World League, and will only improve. The dark horse in this race is Ryan Ammermann, who I believe is out with an injury right now. He's a 6'10 guy with a lot of overseas experience who is a great setter, and having that size on the pin against these bigger OH would help.
As far as the bias towards the MPSF, the rankings have consistently been dominated by the MPSF as have the national championships. There are some great college players east of Utah (Matt Anderson did play at Penn State after all) but the reality is that most of the best players in the USA are on the west coast. Loyola is having a tremendous season, but they would have at least 5 losses having to run that MPSF gauntlet.
There are guys in the MIVA and EIVA that could start at top level MPSF schools, but there are just as many who wouldn't be more than practice fodder who start in the MIVA and EIVA. Volleyball is just more of a west coast sport in the mens game. It is what it is.
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Post by vb1969 on Apr 22, 2014 15:25:02 GMT -5
I like Micah Christenson, Matt West, James Shaw, and Steve O'Dell right now; and Christy Blough, and Micah Maaa in a few years. USAV's problem is that there has not been a blow-away player produced since Matt Anderson in 2008. There is a lot of depth at every position and perhaps more players than ever are earning good livings professionally overseas, but this trend does not bode well for future Olympics. But also I think the Olympics don't matter much - they're only once every 4 years. id add jonah seif because he turned UCSB from mediocre to great this past year. Yes they had the addition of hanley but he is a huge part of their recent success. another is bj boldog. great delivery, high contact and not to mention his all american standing the past years. Also, maa might be good now but his delivery is sub par. Slow out of his hands and sometimes carries ball. Great overall player but doubt he will become national team setter. Kid is a natural on the court and im sure he can find a way onto the national team by playing another position.
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Post by vb1969 on Apr 22, 2014 15:27:37 GMT -5
I like Micah Christenson, Matt West, James Shaw, and Steve O'Dell right now; and Christy Blough, and Micah Maaa in a few years. USAV's problem is that there has not been a blow-away player produced since Matt Anderson in 2008. There is a lot of depth at every position and perhaps more players than ever are earning good livings professionally overseas, but this trend does not bode well for future Olympics. But also I think the Olympics don't matter much - they're only once every 4 years. id add jonah seif because he turned UCSB from mediocre to great this past year. Yes they had the addition of hanley but he is a huge part of their recent success. another is bj boldog. great delivery, high contact and not to mention his all american standing the past years. Also, maa might be good now but his delivery is sub par. Slow out of his hands and sometimes carries ball. Great overall player but doubt he will become national team setter. Kid is a natural on the court and im sure he can find a way onto the national team by playing another position.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2014 15:46:17 GMT -5
I didn't say they should transfer, and I didnt say they don't compare. I said they would get lost in the crowd. Sure the best players could start, but boldog is the best setter in the miva but would be 5 or 6 in the Mpsf. Jaeschke is an amazing player, but would probably be 4 or 5 in the Mpsf. That's all I'm pointing out. I was trying to make the point that if a macilvane wants to be called a top setter in the country, he shouldn't go to the miva, he should battle it out in the Mpsf and prove himself. Nobody at ball state is going to get national honors unless they pull a season like Loyola. The only miva or eiva teams that ever get recognition are when they have monstrous seasons. Loyola players will get recognition this year because they are doing just that.
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Post by vbc1 on Apr 22, 2014 15:52:54 GMT -5
If you are a player in the Midwest and want to be recognized as a great player that will compete and be in these conversations, make a move to get some sunshine in your life and get into the top conference with the top teams. I'm pretty sure with that statement alone, you have cemented yourself as mayor of Ignorantville.
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