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Post by future on Apr 22, 2014 18:37:40 GMT -5
Um.....there is ONLY....ONLY 35 TOTAL men's volleyball programs in the MIVA,EIVA,MPSF and CC so it's really not hard to realize nor find out who is ok, good, really good and great. The coaches in all the leagues know who these players are and while "to the victor goes the spoils" is part of the game I have found the coaches in the Men's game are very repsectful of each other and supportive of the other leagues......maybe because they have to. The Women's game is very very different and very difficult to use as a reference point. Conference bias exist in all sports. The womens game is more hard to predict, but I assure you, if the good players transfered to the mpsf, they would get more recognition Good thing guys like Ivan Contreras, Ramon Hernandes, Maxwell Holt and Matt Andersons....etc didn't need to do this
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Post by WahineFan44 on Apr 22, 2014 18:39:30 GMT -5
Conference bias exist in all sports. The womens game is more hard to predict, but I assure you, if the good players transfered to the mpsf, they would get more recognition Good thing guys like Ivan Contreras, Ramon Hernandes, Maxwell Holt and Matt Andersons....etc didn't need to do this Never said it applies to everyone. But it does apply to alot of people.
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Post by future on Apr 22, 2014 20:12:57 GMT -5
Good thing guys like Ivan Contreras, Ramon Hernandes, Maxwell Holt and Matt Andersons....etc didn't need to do this Never said it applies to everyone. But it does apply to alot of people. Well of course it does when you have such a deep group of teams and in one league of 11 mostly well funded teams. Heck in the EIVA (8 teams) I think only PSU has the full 4.5 out of state scholarships to offer. Princeton and Harvard have only a world class education to offer and while I'm sure those players like Schwagler and Kessel would love to make a AA team they have other priorities in play like writing a Thesis paper. Last year the 1stTeam was all MPSF (no complaints) but I think you will see the EIVA and MIVA repesented on the 1st team with at least 4 players out of the 10.
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Post by volleyballbro (guru) on Apr 22, 2014 20:15:42 GMT -5
Conference bias exist in all sports. The womens game is more hard to predict, but I assure you, if the good players transfered to the mpsf, they would get more recognition Good thing guys like Ivan Contreras, Ramon Hernandes, Maxwell Holt and Matt Andersons....etc didn't need to do this even past national team greats such as phil eatherton, lloy ball dont need to move to mpsf but you certainly have a better chance to be known if you excel in the mpsf. not ALL the best players go to the MPSF but most do
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Post by vbc1 on Apr 23, 2014 7:15:57 GMT -5
I'm saying those players weren't good enough to go to the Mpsf, or get the necessary scholarship money to go to the Mpsf. Are you freaking kidding me? You're telling us that Jaeschke, Russell, Kessell, Johnson, Henchy, Sellan, Leske, Boldog, and Powell (just to name a few from this year that stand out) were NOT good enough to make it in the MPSF? Again, everyone welcome the mayor of Ignorantville back to the real world. You are either not closely involved enough to know any better, or just plain stupid. ALL of those players, and MORE were all recruited by west coast teams, and some were getting good chunks of scholarship money to attend. And they decided to go somewhere else instead. Say all you want about the caliber of your beloved conference. But, each time you make uneducated statements like that, be prepared that people are going to call your bull$&!t. None of us who are speaking up about the quality of MIVA, or EIVA, and in some years ahead the Conference Carolinas are saying that the MPSF is not a good conference. But enough already with the blatant remarks that no one outside of that conference is "worthy" of playing in it. Tell your teams to come out to the midwest, or east coast every year, and see how your teams do after a few years. I would suggest that if you do your homework, you will see that they do not do as well as you think against the better teams in either conference. Which, would make your teams look inferior, and we all know that can't happen in your city. This is a major factor as to why they don't do it more often. Sure, they come out when the finals are out this direction, but other than that, only a few here and there make the trek. They know all too well that coming out from the comfy confines of their home gym causes problems. So, when OSU, PSU, Loyola, or Lewis come out and lose, you all say that the west coast is dominating as usual, and the other teams suck. But, heaven forbid if you were to come out east and lose. Because then your statement would then be that its a one time thing, or we overlooked them, or that was early in the season, lets play later on and see what happens. Its all bull$&!t, and we all know it. The bottom line is this: Historically, yes, the MPSF is a stronger conference all around. But the rest of the country is getting better, and you should be excited about that, rather than continually trying to beat everybody down. Its ok to be a homer for your team. Just don't be blind to reality. The world IS round, you know.
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Post by vball2014 on Apr 23, 2014 8:47:41 GMT -5
I'm saying those players weren't good enough to go to the Mpsf, or get the necessary scholarship money to go to the Mpsf. Are you freaking kidding me? You're telling us that Jaeschke, Russell, Kessell, Johnson, Henchy, Sellan, Leske, Boldog, and Powell (just to name a few from this year that stand out) were NOT good enough to make it in the MPSF? Again, everyone welcome the mayor of Ignorantville back to the real world. You are either not closely involved enough to know any better, or just plain stupid. ALL of those players, and MORE were all recruited by west coast teams, and some were getting good chunks of scholarship money to attend. And they decided to go somewhere else instead. Say all you want about the caliber of your beloved conference. But, each time you make uneducated statements like that, be prepared that people are going to call your bull$&!t. None of us who are speaking up about the quality of MIVA, or EIVA, and in some years ahead the Conference Carolinas are saying that the MPSF is not a good conference. But enough already with the blatant remarks that no one outside of that conference is "worthy" of playing in it. Tell your teams to come out to the midwest, or east coast every year, and see how your teams do after a few years. I would suggest that if you do your homework, you will see that they do not do as well as you think against the better teams in either conference. Which, would make your teams look inferior, and we all know that can't happen in your city. This is a major factor as to why they don't do it more often. Sure, they come out when the finals are out this direction, but other than that, only a few here and there make the trek. They know all too well that coming out from the comfy confines of their home gym causes problems. So, when OSU, PSU, Loyola, or Lewis come out and lose, you all say that the west coast is dominating as usual, and the other teams suck. But, heaven forbid if you were to come out east and lose. Because then your statement would then be that its a one time thing, or we overlooked them, or that was early in the season, lets play later on and see what happens. Its all bull$&!t, and we all know it. The bottom line is this: Historically, yes, the MPSF is a stronger conference all around. But the rest of the country is getting better, and you should be excited about that, rather than continually trying to beat everybody down. Its ok to be a homer for your team. Just don't be blind to reality. The world IS round, you know. You deserve a Nobel Peace Price!
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Post by vball2014 on Apr 23, 2014 8:50:05 GMT -5
I believe there are plenty of players from EIVA MIVA and even CC that can go and play in the MPSF. They don't necessarily have to be AA but they could contribute and win
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 14:02:51 GMT -5
Once again Vbc, you are paraphrasing and misunderstanding. I never said they wouldn't be able to play, and I didn't say that was the only reason they went to the miva. All I said was that the top players in the miva usually are not the best in the country, and would not be poy in the Mpsf. I did not say that they couldn't make it, I'm just saying that the best setters in the miva would be 5 deep or so in the Mpsf. Jaeschke is the best pin hitter, but would probably be 4th or 5th in the Mpsf. For him to prove that he was better, he would have to hit against the blocking and digging of the Mpsf. That's all I'm saying. So take your ignorantville and learn how to understand context.
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Post by jna on Apr 23, 2014 14:06:10 GMT -5
It looks like Chris Austin is in the gym in Anaheim. Do you guys think he is in contention?. Personally, I find him so arrogant!.
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Post by 30killspergame on Apr 23, 2014 14:50:58 GMT -5
How do you know who is in the gym? Is it not early?
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Post by WahineFan44 on Apr 23, 2014 14:55:35 GMT -5
Once again Vbc, you are paraphrasing and misunderstanding. I never said they wouldn't be able to play, and I didn't say that was the only reason they went to the miva. All I said was that the top players in the miva usually are not the best in the country, and would not be poy in the Mpsf. I did not say that they couldn't make it, I'm just saying that the best setters in the miva would be 5 deep or so in the Mpsf. Jaeschke is the best pin hitter, but would probably be 4th or 5th in the Mpsf. For him to prove that he was better, he would have to hit against the blocking and digging of the Mpsf. That's all I'm saying. So take your ignorantville and learn how to understand context. And I agree with you. Thats why it pays to play in the best conference. The womens side is the same way. The best players come from the best conferences because they prove it on a daily basis by constantly playing against ranked teams. I will say their are probably miva players that would have potential poy in the mpsf, but we dont know
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Post by volley13 on Apr 23, 2014 16:27:15 GMT -5
eh i dont think watten is in the picture anymore.. he will be in the gym, but hes losing relevance (if he had any). i think its going to be shoji vs the current junior class. there are some pretty good players, Brinkley being the frontrunner, but some other names catching up i think. I dont want to throw any names, but i like what i see from another player in Brinkleys class, and think that next year will be a great libero show between the two. I just dont see Brinkley on the same progression in skill that he had been up until this year. I hope he hasnt topped off for USA's sake. If someone can beat shoji, it will be a great thing for USA. Shoji is good enough, but isnt a star. Stats are stats, but is he really getting the team to be the best they can be from his position. I dont think so. There are a few knowledgable fans on here that keep up with international volleyball, and they are the ones that should be able to comment on national team/professional players. I check in from time to time on the boards to keep up with mainly college scores, but refrain from posting because of the ignorant posting these days. Ramblingdrifter, not only have you proven your insensitivity bordering on ignorance when it comes to the conference discussion, but you also make general, meaningless statements like this one. Shoji is good enough, but isn't a star? What do you mean by any of this? Please share your detailed, thoughtful, and technical thoughts if you are going to make statements like it's better for Team USA if someone beats out Shoji. People forget how good he was in college just a few years after he has left. Brinkley is good, but isn't even in the same echelon. It's not even close from a technical, touch, or international/college accolades standpoint. But why are we talking about college? Shoji has played one summer and was arguably the best libero in the world in his first summer of full action. Period. Stats are stats. In international play, passing and digging stats are actually done with a higher and more difficult standard. I know they can be subjective, but to lead in the digging and second in receiving over en entire World League is pretty impressive. Anderson and Shoji are the biggest stars on our national team. Period. The same can be said to you, jna. It's nice to know you are a fan, but you spew out inconsistencies left and right without any analysis or knowledge of what happens overseas. One player can be your favorite, and then a few months later, you want him off the team?! Lastly, I think it's a great time for young American volleyball players. We have a lot of good college players, and a lot of good young professionals. It will be an interesting next few years before Rio. I urge national team fans to pay attention to what happens overseas, who plays, how they play, what competitions players are in. etc. Remember that jump to the next level from college is still huge, and young American professionals are still trying to beat the curve and get to the highest level. Just because young pros struggle early does not mean they should be written off. 23-27 is still young for Americans. It's a bit premature and unwise to automatically jump to saying certain college players will be in Rio. There is a lot of time until then, and a lot of learning. Much of this learning can't occur in the NCAA.
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Post by vbc1 on Apr 23, 2014 16:32:08 GMT -5
Once again Vbc, you are paraphrasing and misunderstanding. I never said they wouldn't be able to play, and I didn't say that was the only reason they went to the miva. So take your ignorantville and learn how to understand context. Yeah, not sure you understand what paraphrasing means, cause I merely QUOTED your exact words. As for "taking my ignorantville and learning how to understand context", boy you really got me there. Misunderstanding you? If you say one thing, but mean another, then that is on YOU. We are not mind readers on the board. We are merely taking what you are WRITING down, and extracting from it what you say. Your comments at least provide an afternoon chuckle while I eat lunch. Even after all this, I'm not so sure that you would even take a moment to notice the good that would come from even caliber across the country. What, with all your screaming and yelling in your one-man-band and all. Keep banging your drum, rambler. Someone is bound to follow you sometime....
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Post by volley13 on Apr 23, 2014 16:32:46 GMT -5
He's not saying the these players can't be recognized AA. He's saying it's much harder. Confrence plays a huge role in AA. Kelsey Robinson for example was a third team AA with Tennessee but once she got to nebraska, she was a first teamer and in the running for POY. No could you attribute to cook improving her game? Sure. But slot of it was because she played for nebraska. A top team in the best conference. The mpsf dominated the mens side, and just so happens that's the west coast. So that's why the west in the powerhouse. It's more about the conference than the side you're on. No doubt. I can think of an EIVA player right now that may ....may end up having a higher ceiling than any of those projected "1st teamers" . Future, name the player. Why does everything have to be so vague? Also, ramblingdrifter, name the liberos in the junior class. If you are going to say certain guys are going to challenge our national team's starting libero soon, then name them. Who are they? I am curious.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 21:44:39 GMT -5
I think that Brinkley can do it, but he moves around too much for the international game. If he can adjust, then sure. I also like Anderson from pepp. He struggles with the float a little bit early on, but has got it down as well as anyone at this point. He also takes a lot of court, and is not afraid to stay aggressive at the end of games or game point even. He's also great against the hardest jump serves. His defense numbers are low because his team are animals at the net, classic pepperdine. He also hasn't been playing Libero very long, so I see him growing very well and can see him continue to improve. Brinkley is amazing, but I hope he can get better/adjust.
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