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Post by dgo on Jan 30, 2015 17:21:55 GMT -5
They won't be able to cut them, but that won't stop incoming coaches (or any coach, for that matter) from telling a player, "you don't fit into my plans and you're going to be buried on the bench...you'll never see the floor." Of course some kids will be content to stay, work hard in practice, and take advantage of the free education. I suspect more will request a release and start looking for another opportunity. Given the level of commitment and work required, I doubt most kids will want to stay with a program if they're not wanted. Wait so cutting will be fully banned? I don't think thats fair. What If a player is clearly causing trouble and or is just plain lazy. Would the coaches be able to cut them? Or would that still not be allowed. They won't be able to cut players based upon "athletic performance." So, just because an athlete doesn't develop as expected or just because you recruited someone better, you won't be able to cut an athlete. I think it might be interesting to see if this affects how early colleges recruit (unlikely) or whether it will lead to an increase in withholding LOIs to previously offered and committed players. If a coach makes a mistake in evaluating a player, he or she could get stuck with her for four years. I'm pretty sure athletes will still be able to lose scholarships over disciplinary issues including, presumably, causing trouble or just being lazy ( i.e,. missing practice or not working). There might be some fine lines being drawn between "athletic performance" and discipline. I imagine there will be some interesting cases as this new rule goes into effect.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jan 30, 2015 17:26:31 GMT -5
Schools and conferences are free to adopt or ignore the new legislation. The major football conferences will go all in, but will schools in secondary conferences like the Mountain West (who aren't getting much of that new $7 Billion football contract with ESPN)? It's not a given that a school with limited financial resources, like SJSU, can afford to go with cost-of-attendance, four year/no cut scholarships. We'll see if anything actually changes in San Jose.
Basically, the Big 10, Big 12, Pac 12, ACC, and SEC told every other school in America "We're doing this, and you're free to follow along if you can afford it. And if you can't, not our problem."
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Post by Mocha on Jan 30, 2015 18:38:14 GMT -5
SJSU has problems that run deeper than those two coaches and the athletic department budget. The volleyball gym is old and inadequate for a Div. I program. It sits in a corner of the cramped main campus, which is in a crappy area and has no room to grow. The school's main athletic facilities are in a separate campus, a two-mile walk through the ghettos away. And those facilities are substandard too; years ago a visiting football team refused to change in the locker rooms. Having the Shepardson's coaching certainly doesn't help.
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Post by gigibear on Jan 30, 2015 18:57:02 GMT -5
SJSU has problems that run deeper than those two coaches and the athletic department budget. The volleyball gym is old and inadequate for a Div. I program. It sits in a corner of the cramped main campus, which is in a crappy area and has no room to grow. The school's main athletic facilities are in a separate campus, a two-mile walk through the ghettos away. And those facilities are substandard too; years ago a visiting football team refused to change in the locker rooms. Having the Shepardson's coaching certainly doesn't help. Spartan Gym Spartan Gym is the home of the San Jose State women's volleyball and women's gymnastics teams. Seating capacity of the gym is just over 1,000 spectators. The gym is located on the corner of Fourth and Paseo de San Carlos Streets. Also housed in the Yosh Uchida Hall/Spartan Gym complex are two training rooms, locker rooms and an uneven bar training room for gymnastics. During the summer of 2005, Spartan Gym underwent extensive renovations to update the facility. New paint, new ceiling, new windows and new scoreboards highlight the many changes to the facility. The locker rooms are also being redone. [SO THIS THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN??] Beginning in winter of 2012, Spartan Gym began a massive renovation process, with an expected completion date of summer 2014. The entirely new renovated facility will include new locker rooms for men's and women's basketball, gymnastics and volleyball. In addition to the locker rooms, coaches' offices, team film rooms, team lounges, weight room and a gymnastics training facility will be included in the renovation. Upon completion, Spartan Gym and the YUH complex will be one of the premier athletic buildings in the country.
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Post by Mocha on Jan 30, 2015 19:08:58 GMT -5
That statement is laughable, it's like putting lipstick on a pig.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jan 30, 2015 19:12:30 GMT -5
SJSU has problems that run deeper than those two coaches and the athletic department budget. The volleyball gym is old and inadequate for a Div. I program. It sits in a corner of the cramped main campus, which is in a crappy area and has no room to grow. The school's main athletic facilities are in a separate campus, a two-mile walk through the ghettos away. And those facilities are substandard too; years ago a visiting football team refused to change in the locker rooms. Having the Shepardson's coaching certainly doesn't help. Spartan Gym Spartan Gym is the home of the San Jose State women's volleyball and women's gymnastics teams. Seating capacity of the gym is just over 1,000 spectators. The gym is located on the corner of Fourth and Paseo de San Carlos Streets. Also housed in the Yosh Uchida Hall/Spartan Gym complex are two training rooms, locker rooms and an uneven bar training room for gymnastics. During the summer of 2005, Spartan Gym underwent extensive renovations to update the facility. New paint, new ceiling, new windows and new scoreboards highlight the many changes to the facility. The locker rooms are also being redone. [SO THIS THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN??] Beginning in winter of 2012, Spartan Gym began a massive renovation process, with an expected completion date of summer 2014. The entirely new renovated facility will include new locker rooms for men's and women's basketball, gymnastics and volleyball. In addition to the locker rooms, coaches' offices, team film rooms, team lounges, weight room and a gymnastics training facility will be included in the renovation. Upon completion, Spartan Gym and the YUH complex will be one of the premier athletic buildings in the country. Sounds great, but last I heard the only real change was putting in some air conditioning. The rest of the gym is still beat.
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Post by truthandjustice on Jan 30, 2015 19:20:49 GMT -5
Schools and conferences are free to adopt or ignore the new legislation. The major football conferences will go all in, but will schools in secondary conferences like the Mountain West (who aren't getting much of that new $7 Billion football contract with ESPN)? It's not a given that a school with limited financial resources, like SJSU, can afford to go with cost-of-attendance, four year/no cut scholarships. We'll see if anything actually changes in San Jose. Basically, the Big 10, Big 12, Pac 12, ACC, and SEC told every other school in America "We're doing this, and you're free to follow along if you can afford it. And if you can't, not our problem." This is absolutely a false statement. Schools are not free to ignore the legislation.... holy cow....
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Post by Mocha on Jan 30, 2015 19:27:55 GMT -5
Schools and conferences are free to adopt or ignore the new legislation. The major football conferences will go all in, but will schools in secondary conferences like the Mountain West (who aren't getting much of that new $7 Billion football contract with ESPN)? It's not a given that a school with limited financial resources, like SJSU, can afford to go with cost-of-attendance, four year/no cut scholarships. We'll see if anything actually changes in San Jose. Basically, the Big 10, Big 12, Pac 12, ACC, and SEC told every other school in America "We're doing this, and you're free to follow along if you can afford it. And if you can't, not our problem." This is absolutely a false statement. Schools are not free to ignore the legislation.... holy cow.... Read this thread; volleytalk.proboards.com/thread/54648/power-conferences-make-own-rules
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jan 30, 2015 19:34:54 GMT -5
Schools and conferences are free to adopt or ignore the new legislation. The major football conferences will go all in, but will schools in secondary conferences like the Mountain West (who aren't getting much of that new $7 Billion football contract with ESPN)? It's not a given that a school with limited financial resources, like SJSU, can afford to go with cost-of-attendance, four year/no cut scholarships. We'll see if anything actually changes in San Jose. Basically, the Big 10, Big 12, Pac 12, ACC, and SEC told every other school in America "We're doing this, and you're free to follow along if you can afford it. And if you can't, not our problem." This is absolutely a false statement. Schools are not free to ignore the legislation.... holy cow.... www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2015/01/17/ncaa-convention-cost-of-attendance-student-athletes-scholarships/21921073/"The change occurred under new governance setup that allows the Atlantic Coast, Big 12, Big Ten, Pacific-12 and Southeastern conferences greater autonomy in rules making. The vote by the 65 schools and 15 athlete representatives -- three from each of the five conferences – allows, but does not require, all Division I schools to award these so-called cost-of-attendance scholarships in all sports.Holy Cow Indeed!
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Post by truthandjustice on Jan 30, 2015 19:57:07 GMT -5
I don't think you understand... in the case of that particular piece of legislation, it means that they can now award more money if each individual institution wants to. The rule is not saying they must give more money but that they may give more money. The legislation is for ALL division I teams saying that they MAY now award more money for the costs listed. The scholarship legislation that you cannot take away scholarships for athletic reasons is binding to ALL NCAA Division I institutions.
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Post by brooselee on Jan 30, 2015 20:01:44 GMT -5
Been to Spartan Gym. Its like playing in a shoe box. Its definitely primitive in terms of D1 level gym. I don't know why SJSU would even play their games there when they have the Event Center(which is a much nicer facility). Last time I went there I bought a can of Sprite and it was warm. I asked if there was anywhere I could get a cup of ice and was told I had to go to the cafeteria to buy a cup of ice. They didn't even have the brain to put the soda in a tub of ice before selling it to the fans. Just ripped the can out of a 12pk box and gave it too me all warm. They also had pizzas sitting on a poker table that was available for purchase. It was not in some warmer or some hot box. Just sitting there in room temperature. It was a horrible experience all the way around.
If SJSU wants to even consider themselves a destination for players that wants to play good volleyball, they need to do more than just get a new coach. Nobody is going to want to play in such lousy facility with 3rd world customer service.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jan 30, 2015 20:53:35 GMT -5
I don't think you understand... in the case of that particular piece of legislation, it means that they can now award more money if each individual institution wants to. The rule is not saying they must give more money but that they may give more money. The legislation is for ALL division I teams saying that they MAY now award more money for the costs listed. The scholarship legislation that you cannot take away scholarships for athletic reasons is binding to ALL NCAA Division I institutions. Interesting. And how is it that legislation voted on by only 65 schools ("The Big Five" - no other conference was allowed in the room) out of 351 member institutions becomes binding for all of Division I?
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Post by truthandjustice on Jan 30, 2015 20:59:40 GMT -5
Exactly what all us other schools have been asking since it happened!
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Post by leftcoaster71 on Jan 30, 2015 21:45:54 GMT -5
Been to Spartan Gym. Its like playing in a shoe box. Its definitely primitive in terms of D1 level gym. I don't know why SJSU would even play their games there when they have the Event Center(which is a much nicer facility). Last time I went there I bought a can of Sprite and it was warm. I asked if there was anywhere I could get a cup of ice and was told I had to go to the cafeteria to buy a cup of ice. They didn't even have the brain to put the soda in a tub of ice before selling it to the fans. Just ripped the can out of a 12pk box and gave it too me all warm. They also had pizzas sitting on a poker table that was available for purchase. It was not in some warmer or some hot box. Just sitting there in room temperature. It was a horrible experience all the way around. If SJSU wants to even consider themselves a destination for players that wants to play good volleyball, they need to do more than just get a new coach. Nobody is going to want to play in such lousy facility with 3rd world customer service. Good ole Spartan Gym where the rats outnumber the fans. Hell, the players were complaining about Spartan Gym way back in the 80's. For a while, they did play matches at the event center but, I think they moved back to cut costs. When you only have a couple hundred people show up to a match, it doesn't really make fiscal sense to use a 5,000 seat arena.
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Post by gotball on Jan 31, 2015 2:04:11 GMT -5
Again, the truth has percolated to the top. SJSU, the AD (why is he no longer at Boise State?) and his staff, the Shepardsons can all live with the mess they have created. Why has Longintotth run and hid from this discussion and his support of the Shepardsons?
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